Unknown Soldier
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If he fired 80% of government workers, the country would immediately improve
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March Climber
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I remember the review thread for final season of Ozark. Most people here complained about the ending being unrealistic and I felt the opposite at the time.
Ozark still remains a masterpiece to me, and that ending was not only the right call by the creators, but it also ages better and better like a fine wine.
Ozark still remains a masterpiece to me, and that ending was not only the right call by the creators, but it also ages better and better like a fine wine.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Not a chance
he’ll be one of the most instrumental people in the next administration.Gonna sit back and watch what happens, like America has become a giant social experiment.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
That's certainly what very stupid people like to say! Guess we'll find out soon.
Seems like it's working great for Argentina.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
Argentina is already starting to emerge from it's economic crisis LMAO
You aren't the smart one in this conversation
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Poverty levels have hit over 50% and they're dumping money into welfare to try to keep people from killing him, but sure, at least inflation is down.
Neoliberals, man.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
It’s very tough these days considering people live in media/algo bubbles that cuddle them hiding inconvenient facts.
Argentina GDP got a beating in 2024 and inflation is down but still at 150%. Outlook for next year is complicated although there’s the expectation that will be a better year.
Zathalus
Member
Firing 2.3 million people sounds like a recipe for a bad time. That’s increasing the unemployment rate by a third.
Do you understand subsidies and government picking winners and losers?
It always was an experiment.Not a chance
Gonna sit back and watch what happens, like America has become a giant social experiment.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Do you understand that every single aspect of our government has been captured by moneyed interests who actively leverage those institutions to their benefit against the population? Or that the Supreme Court has legalized and institutionalized all of this corruption?
And yet people still cheer for corrupt billionaires. They're angry that the economic realities of their circumstance (even as things like the market and GDP seem to do well) but they just cannot figure out who to direct that anger at. So it goes to immigrants or whoever is unlucky enough to be president at any given time and the real conversation never happens.
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Unknown Soldier
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Those people would be absorbed by the private sector, which is the ideal situation really
Zathalus
Member
That’s optimistic. Millions of people going on to the job market like that isn’t so easily absorbed. But I highly doubt 80% of the federal government will be gutted, even by Trump.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Yeah, it was more of a thought exercise, nobody could actually fire 80% of the government lol
thefool
Member
You reminded me the massive cope people were parroting when he fired 80% of twitter staff lol
Afuera!
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
I'm sorry, but what? How? It's not like austerity just creates a labor demand that isn't there.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I mean, literally everything Elon has ever done is immediately second guessed by 'experts' and Internet geniuses and yet he's always proven right in the long run somehow
The people on Reddit who are brainwashed to hate him must really have shitty lives because their lives keep being shit but Elon is out there landing rockets upright and catching them with towers while running the world's only successful EV company while shitposting on Twatter while buying the US Government for a really low price of $44 billion
He also has a company that designs brain implant chips so you can control your computer with your mind if you are disabled and another company which digs tunnels
If you genuinely hate Elon your life must be complete shit watching that man winning over and over again
March Climber
Member
I don't think many here hate Elon that much, however people like to simply point out that he has made mistakes in the past to those who praise him like he hasn't.
In the past he has made really big gambles on half-measured ideas of his, and if that idea fails he quickly sweeps it under the rug with a new project that he will roll out, even if that project was rolled out a bit too soon. It is fascinating to witness but it is also odd to me when people look at him like all of his plans have been great and wonderful, when we all know that true ideamakers have had failures that lead to success.
I consider SpaceX to be his biggest crowning achievement so far. I am close to considering Twitter as his second biggest achievement based on a few factors that happened recently in his favor and future factors that could potentially happen (like the worth of the company going back up).
FunkMiller
Gold Member
I'm fascinated to see how this kind of thinking will play out in the US government administration.
Being able to listen in on presidential calls because you own Twitter, the power!
apnews.com
Trump put Elon Musk on phone with Ukraine's Zelenskyy during congratulatory call, official says
President-elect Donald Trump put billionaire Elon Musk on the line with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy when the Ukrainian leader called to congratulate the incoming U.S. president.
apnews.com
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Directly giving money to a company without going through a formal process of stating what the state wants to do and how, collect and evaluate offers etc is widely acknowledged as a form of corruption. Why would you defend corruption just because it's being done by the people you voted for? Looking at politics as if it was a football game and cheer at anything your team does is unhealthy for a country.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Nobody is cutting 80% of the US gov workforce.
Elon mentioned trimming the fat and getting rid of a chunk, but also said that those people would get a large redundancy package of around two years pay. That's gives them a lot of time to try and find an alternative job.
Elon mentioned trimming the fat and getting rid of a chunk, but also said that those people would get a large redundancy package of around two years pay. That's gives them a lot of time to try and find an alternative job.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
That's a huge part of Project 2025... And schedule f
LegendOfKage
Member
Was this the first time that they had spoken? Seeing as Musk provided Starlink to Ukraine, I would think that would be a sensible reason for him to join the phone call. That's especially true if it was more congratulatory in nature, rather than discussing anything like specific plans to deescalate things.Being able to listen in on presidential calls because you own Twitter, the power!
Trump put Elon Musk on phone with Ukraine's Zelenskyy during congratulatory call, official says
President-elect Donald Trump put billionaire Elon Musk on the line with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy when the Ukrainian leader called to congratulate the incoming U.S. president.
Also, so we can keep talking about Musk and twitter, I hope most of you will agree that we should probably only be discussing topics related to Musk or Twitter.
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WhamBamThankYouMaam
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Must feel nice for Zelensky to speak to the guy that turned off the communications when Ukraine went on counter operations.
LegendOfKage
Member
I just looked into this, and I for one like Musk wanting his technology to be used for defensive purposes only. I'm guessing that's what he thought he was agreeing to, when he was asked to provide the service so Ukraine could defend itself. Then when he saw that Ukraine was about to use his tech during an attack on a Russian navel fleet, he saw that as an escalation and decided that he didn't want to have a part in that. Musk was later quoted as saying "How am I in this war? Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars."
Sonik
Member
I told you motherfuckers, billionaires don't buy media to make money, they do it to buy influence and power, keep bean counting how much the company supposedly costs based on the estimates of bitter neolibs as Musk becomes a government within a government. Not that I'm glad about that but some of you people are so smug in your ignorance
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
All these people act like Musk is Tony Stark and don't realize he's Lex Luthor.
Grildon Tundy
Member
I believe most (all?) people would agree on every(?) issue if we all had full access to truth and the ability to comprehend it all.
But that is not possible.
All that is to say: I think Musk does more good than bad, which is the best you can hope for because perfection isn't possible. And I'm genuinely confused why people seem to think his bad outweighs the good.
The guy is undeniably great in the magnitude sense of the word, if not the moral. When I mess up, the impact on the world is small. When someone like Musk messes up (intentionally or not), millions might be impacted. Same goes for positive accomplishments.
So I am wondering if I am not privy to information others have, and would like to understand where this distrust of and disdain for the guy comes from.
But that is not possible.
All that is to say: I think Musk does more good than bad, which is the best you can hope for because perfection isn't possible. And I'm genuinely confused why people seem to think his bad outweighs the good.
The guy is undeniably great in the magnitude sense of the word, if not the moral. When I mess up, the impact on the world is small. When someone like Musk messes up (intentionally or not), millions might be impacted. Same goes for positive accomplishments.
So I am wondering if I am not privy to information others have, and would like to understand where this distrust of and disdain for the guy comes from.
Sonik
Member
To be fair all billionaires are, Musk isn't even the worst of them, the ones going on Epstein islands to become puppets to shady organizations are probably far worse
Kraz
Member
It doesn't seem to have anything specifically to do with owning twitter. It wasn't even mentioned in the article.Being able to listen in on presidential calls because you own Twitter, the power!
Trump put Elon Musk on phone with Ukraine's Zelenskyy during congratulatory call, official says
President-elect Donald Trump put billionaire Elon Musk on the line with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy when the Ukrainian leader called to congratulate the incoming U.S. president.
Ukraine unofficially releasing this was very kind. It's a indication of possible future levels of corruption, and it's good to be made aware of it.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Musk and Thiel are probably of the worst of them in terms of their direct ambition for power and their desire to wield that power against the common good.
How you want to measure that against hedonists who want to leverage their wealth indulge their personal sickness and abuse people on an individual level, I will leave for you to judge, but the former is what scares me most personally.
Sonik
Member
Because the hedonists are then blackmailed by shady warmongers and psychopaths to do their bidding. And btw Musk is just far less subtle about what he's doing, Epstein enthusiasts on the other hand like Bill Gates form "charities" and NGOs to bribe media, health organizations and politicians to do their bidding which is actually the bidding of aforementioned shady organizations
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Less government would be good.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Wrong. Majority of problems in the US can be traced to there being less government than I should have been.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
This is silly.
LegendOfKage
Member
Musk is only in the position with Twitter that he's in now because the government threatened repercussions and regulations of publicly owned companies if they refused to censor legally protected speech, and you think Musk is the bad guy here? You think him standing up to that is "against the common good?" You think electric cars, providing high speed internet to hurricane victims, not wanting to be involved in wars, and picking up where NASA left off is "against the common good?" Even in the last few days, you have the women on the view crying that they weren't able to censor people. It's absurd.
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Sonik
Member
Less government creates a power vacuum that is always filled by the next in line of power which is always corporations and billionaires that btw care about the average person even less than the government simply because they're not democratic and accountable to them. It has happened a million times now, how many examples some people need to understand this?
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Musk is going to be part of the government. Twitter is going to be a state run social media platform. All conversation about him and it will have to be banned here.
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Grildon Tundy
Member
So much of government is a solution looking for a problem. What vacuum is created when what's removed served no original purpose?
Sonik
Member
Twitter so far has been the exact opposite of that, unlike the rest of the social media monopolies that were colluding with the government to mass censor the population twitter for the first time in a decade allowed free speech on the internet which is why certain narratives that were being enforced by the tech cartel suddenly collapsed. If anything changes I will agree with you but from the looks of it if anything the new government will just legislate against the aforementioned anti-free speech cartel and the government fucks that were colluding with it
The government is the solution to the rich and powerful authoritarianism and greed, always has been. Obviously they're doing a shitty job but it would be even worse without someone accountable to the people running some interference. I don't see how you don't understand how a power vacuum is created every time the government gives up and lets corporations take over or how that screws people over, health care in America is a prime example
FunkMiller
Gold Member
If anything changes? TwitteX is owned by Elon Musk.
Elon Musk has full control over the content and running of TwitteX.
Elon Musk will be part of the government and therefore the state. Ergo, TwitteX will function as a social media platform run by the state.
Sonik
Member
You're just playing semantics so let me do it your way, Elon Musk will just be "co-operating" with the government just like other billionaires were "co-operated" with the government before him. You think that Blackrock and Vanguard that controlled twitter before him didn't bribe or had their dirty hand in every single branch of the government? The difference is that twitter isn't mass censoring the population now to influence democracy and sway elections like they did
FunkMiller
Gold Member
He won’t be co-operating. He’ll be in the government. This is not a commentary on what he’ll do when he is, just stating the fact that, should Musk receive an appointment, TwitteX will be a confirmed, 100% state run social media platform. This is markedly different from any perceived links you feel other social media platforms have had with previous administrations.
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Grildon Tundy
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nickplaysgames404
Member
Ouch, i am glad i deleted my account from there.
LegendOfKage
Member
As long as people on twitter can continue to criticize Musk, the government, current and former presidents and world leaders, etc, then that will never be true.
But ironically, that was true of Twitter before Musk bought it. It literally was becoming a state run social media platform. The US government was deciding who they wanted removed from twitter, and was even paying twitter directly for the work they had to do in censoring Americans and their constitutionally protected speech.
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Kraz
Member
Their wasn't government mandated mass censoring, just private moderation standards that disappeared with the advertisers when it changed. Which contributed to why it's worth so much less now.
Delusion vs reality.
Twitter ownership didn't campaign for anyone to ingratiate like now. Previously there was distance between the elected government through the administration of regulated bureaucracy.
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Sonik
Member
When he gets an official position then we'll talk, afaik you have to give up a lot to be part of the government so I kind of doubt it'll happen
Twitter files proved otherwise, keep denying reality. Their moderation "standards" only applied to the side they wanted to mass censor as per usual with these hypocritical corporate fucks
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Again… If Musk is part of the government (Which is not guaranteed at this point) TwitteX will therefore be a state run social media platform.
If he gets the D.O.G.E up and running, and conducts an audit, he’ll be a government employee. Part of the state.
Christ lads, you can argue over whether this is a good thing or not, but this is part of what you voted for!
We’ll have to ban all conversation about Elon and his businesses, because it will all be wrapped up in politics!
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