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[Brucey]

There's been far lower if we want to be clever . I mean the Wii was hardly a graphical powerhouse or the mobile tech of the Switch

Nintendo is never a graphical powerhouse. It's a place to play first party Nintendo games. Every generation there's hope that it will be powerful enough to play 3rd party multiplatforms but that usually ends in disappointment. Nintendo simply don't use "power" as a selling point.

That''s far different from the Xbox approach, 12tflops, 4k, most powerful console ever etc.

Cloud is already very powerful and used in lots of stuff without us knowing no doubt.

Looking forward to seeing what the Asobo studio can do with the tech for their next Flight sim

We've heard magical cloud claims in the past from Xbox, Xbox one has three times it's own power in the cloud etc making it four times as powerful as it otherwise would be etc.

 

[Mephisto40]

Nintendo is never a graphical powerhouse. It's a place to play first party Nintendo games. Every generation there's hope that it will be powerful enough to play 3rd party multiplatforms but that usually ends in disappointment. Nintendo simply don't use "power" as a selling point.

That''s far different from the Xbox approach, 12tflops, 4k, most powerful console ever etc.

We've heard magical cloud claims in the past from Xbox, Xbox one has three times it's own power in the cloud etc making it four times as powerful as it otherwise would be etc.

It's genuinely hilarious they thought this marketing jargon would give them an edge over the competition

 

[tkscz]

How about giving us a Surface Pro with an AMD APU and calling it a day?

 

[baphomet]

How they have Game Pass and cloud plus 10s of billions being thrown around to still be years away from a handheld or a hybrid console like docking a Nintendo Switch is beyond me. A perfect marriage of hardware, perhaps going an open store and market segment offering.

Again make it great, part of the existing Xbox ecosystem, open it wide to other stores/emulators and loss lead the fuck out of it with some real power and quality hardware. Combine Elite controller updates, Switch-like capabilities, Series S and X type models for price vs performance points. Honestly you could write the brief with Chat GPT and be under way in a year or two to market. Does my head in.

Because the best you could possibly get in a handheld right now is far less powerful than a Series S.

We're multiple years away from that being any sort of reality.

 

[Brucey]

Because the best you could possibly get in a handheld right now is far less powerful than a Series S.

We're multiple years away from that being any sort of reality.

Rog Ally is probably similar but saddled with Windows so can't quite keep up

 

[DavidGzz]

They already have some you can buy today. Even saw a white OLED version. Steam jokingly calls it a Deck, but we all know it's an Xbox.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Nintendo is never a graphical powerhouse. It's a place to play first party Nintendo games. Every generation there's hope that it will be powerful enough to play 3rd party multiplatforms but that usually ends in disappointment. Nintendo simply don't use "power" as a selling point.

That''s far different from the Xbox approach, 12tflops, 4k, most powerful console ever etc.

We've heard magical cloud claims in the past from Xbox, Xbox one has three times it's own power in the cloud etc making it four times as powerful as it otherwise would be etc.

Nintendo was a graphical powerhouse once and did use the tagline of

The Fastest Most Powerful Games Console On Earth

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That's to look over the point that there are plenty of weaker consoles than the Series S to benchmark a generation.



And all corps are guilty of hyping their products and coming out with bullshit PR. I seem to remember SONY saying how the PS3 was so powerful it could handle dual 1080P outputs and run games at 120 FPS, nice one Ken...


The simple fact is almost all corps are making use of cloud tech like most of the modern world. Game graphics wise I was very impressed with what the Asobo were able to achieve with Flight Sim on the consoles since it was such a beast on the PC. Very much looking forward to seeing what the team do with their new Flight Sim

 

[Physiognomonics]

I don't think they will release anymore traditional consoles, that's a sinking ship

Maybe. But they still have people buying their product and services there. Have they not? I don't see them not releasing a next xbox home console.

Also this will be a MS store handheld. This is the only way for MS to get back. They need to realize their most dangerous competitor is Steam, not Sony and not Nintendo !

 

[jufonuk]

So I take it the rumours look to be true and this handheld will be a companion to the next Xbox console in a few years time LOL

It kinects to the new Xbox?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Nintendo is never a graphical powerhouse. It's a place to play first party Nintendo games. Every generation there's hope that it will be powerful enough to play 3rd party multiplatforms but that usually ends in disappointment. Nintendo simply don't use "power" as a selling point.

The NES-GameCube would all beg to differ.

 

[Team Andromeda]

It kinects to the new Xbox?

Only when being sarcastic

I

 

[FireFly]

Rog Ally is probably similar but saddled with Windows so can't quite keep up

The issue is the power budget/memory bandwidth, not the theoretical specs. The bandwidth could be addressed, but at 15W-20W, I doubt you could get a handheld device much faster than the S in 2027.

 

[baphomet]

Rog Ally is probably similar but saddled with Windows so can't quite keep up

Not even remotely close.

 

[Brucey]

The NES-GameCube would all beg to differ.

Sorry I should have said in the last 20 years or so.

 

[Brucey]

Nintendo was a graphical powerhouse once and did use the tagline of

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That's to look over the point that there are plenty of weaker consoles than the Series S to benchmark a generation.



And all corps are guilty of hyping their products and coming out with bullshit PR. I seem to remember SONY saying how the PS3 was so powerful it could handle dual 1080P outputs and run games at 120 FPS, nice one Ken...


The simple fact is almost all corps are making use of cloud tech like most of the modern world. Game graphics wise I was very impressed with what the Asobo were able to achieve with Flight Sim on the consoles since it was such a beast on the PC. Very much looking forward to seeing what the team do with their new Flight Sim

Why would Xbox be looking at Nintendo as the benchmark for the series generation? At least in terms of Sarah Bonds comments, the low bar for the series generation is the series s. So that's the one they can deliver "the biggest technological leap ever in a generation" from.

"It’s been nearly six months since we came together as an organization. Our collective achievements in that timeframe are tremendous. Everyone should feel incredibly proud of what we’ve achieved and excited about the opportunities ahead, We are moving full speed ahead on our next generation hardware, focused on delivering the biggest technological leap ever in a generation."

Corps use AWS and Azure sure, that doesn't mean it's somehow some amazing multiplier for the xbox series consoles. The visual quality of xcloud is trash

 

[Brucey]

The issue is the power budget/memory bandwidth, not the theoretical specs. The bandwidth could be addressed, but at 15W-20W, I doubt you could get a handheld device much faster than the S in 2027.

Then perhaps a docked mode where it can give it the full beans power budget wise, seems risky for a 2027 launch but I guess it's up to Satya. Bond playing the mobile games are the future strategy after Phil rode gamepass into the ground.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Why would Xbox be looking at Nintendo as the benchmark for the series generation? At least in terms of Sarah Bonds comments, the low bar for the series generation is the series s. So that's the one they can deliver "the biggest technological leap ever in a generation" from.

"It’s been nearly six months since we came together as an organization. Our collective achievements in that timeframe are tremendous. Everyone should feel incredibly proud of what we’ve achieved and excited about the opportunities ahead, We are moving full speed ahead on our next generation hardware, focused on delivering the biggest technological leap ever in a generation."

Corps use AWS and Azure sure, that doesn't mean it's somehow some amazing multiplier for the xbox series consoles. The visual quality of xcloud is trash

You tried to be clever with the Series S talk when it was far from the least powerful console during a generation if one looks back.

Everyone is using the Cloud and I bet more and more games will be using it to steam data in and help with calculations going forward. Not for one minute does that mean it will replace a meaty CPU and GPU
I hope myself Xbox goes with Arm and also drops the SOC and will instead go for a separate GPU and CPU like in the old days of consoles

 

[Esppiral]

Didn't they say earlier this year that they would talk about new hardware this year?

 

[Brucey]

Didn't they say earlier this year that they would talk about new hardware this year?

They released the 2Tb series x with disc drive for $599 and then a series x without a disc drive in October.

 

[Brucey]

You tried to be clever with the Series S talk when it was far from the least powerful console during a generation if one looks back.

Everyone is using the Cloud and I bet more and more games will be using it to steam data in and help with calculations going forward. Not for one minute does that mean it will replace a meaty CPU and GPU
I hope myself Xbox goes with Arm and also drops the SOC and will instead go for a separate GPU and CPU like in the old days of consoles

There's no need to be so defensive about the series s. MS chose to release a low end and high end console at the same time for this series generation. When Bond talks about a "generational leap" she's talking about a leap from the series generation. The low bar of the series Gen is series S. This isn't rocket science. It's cheaper for a reason. It's not about "being clever" or about what might have happened in a completely different generation.

 

[Team Andromeda]

There's no need to be so defensive about the series s. MS chose to release a low end and high end console at the same time for this series generation. When Bond talks about a "generational leap" she's talking about a leap from the series generation. The low bar of the series Gen is series S. This isn't rocket science. It's cheaper for a reason. It's not about "being clever" or about what might have happened in a completely different generation.

I'm not defensive of the Series S. You tried to be clever when the Series S is a powerful little unit but held back with the stupid memory limit.
You or I have no real idea of what Bond meant by a generational leap and don't try and make out otherwise.

 

[Brucey]

I'm not defensive of the Series S. You tried to be clever when the Series S is a powerful little unit but held back with the stupid memory limit.
You or I have no real idea of what Bond meant by a generational leap and don't try and make out otherwise.

It's a 4TF machine that's retailing for $349 (the 1tb version, the 512GB at $299). The 12TF series x digital is $449.

 

[Trogdor1123]

I wonder how much of this is designed to gauge interest from the public some ai somewhere tracking it.

 

[Team Andromeda]

It's a 4TF machine that's retailing for $349 (the 1tb version, the 512GB at $299). The 12TF series x digital is $449.

I know what it is, I own one which I doubt you do . That's to totally overlook the point of low spec consoles during a generation like the Wi

 

[SHA]

Cannibalizing won't happen, they want to reach bigger numbers.

 

[dorkimoe]

Day fucking 1

 

[playbignbox]

Aside from the fact that the Xbox audience is declining due to some of MS's decisions and that MS would ideally correct them, I like the idea of a portable console that shares the library of games purchased on the home console.

With this strategy, MS has the potential to sell many more consoles, unlike the Series X and S strategy, since it can sell a portable to the existing Xbox home console audience (i.e., the user buys both consoles), and sell to an audience outside of it that wants a portable other than Nintendo.

 

[Sorcerer]

The only prototyping they are doing for the handheld is everybody in Phil's immediate office space is playing with Steamdecks, Legion Go's and Allies and saying, "Wow this is neat"!!!

 

[Mhmmm 2077]

How much will they charge more due to the fact it will have a Windows OS?

 

[Jesb]

If everything is an XBOX... why do we need an XBOX handheld?

Because everything is an Xbox.

 

[Esppiral]

They released the 2Tb series x with disc drive for $599 and then a series x without a disc drive in October.

Well that is underwhelming

 

[damidu]

microsoft working on a.i. gaming ceo prototypes after abysmal hardware sales, its actual ceo confirmed

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

relevant for the wet dreams i see around