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[Rikkori]

Perhaps in a few year a higher capacity version will be made and it won't cost as much as 2 consoles, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Unfortunately this standard is very uncommon and therefore the drives are more expensive. At least it will be more easily repairable though, if it breaks out of warranty.

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[sinnergy]

What connection do you mean? Connector is the same, most like data transfer is going to use same protocols, because why not. So I am not sure what do you mean?

You assume everything is standard, I am telling you likely not, you need to design it to work on the board , r and d what’s best, do research , rewrite software and what not . Maybe adjust the connector , which we don’t know .. which drives the price up . We also don’t know if it’s more standard than I assume .

but best part is , a tech savvy personcan replace it easily, which is always a big win .

 

[Starfield]

Interesting .. limited to pcie 3.0 but opens up options to change it maybe.

how can it be pcle 3.0 and have writing speeds up to 5gb/s???

 

[GV82]

The Series S too? But I guess it’s going to cost the same as one of those expansion cards at first for a while, but still possibly one day having the S with a larger Internal sounds good. (Still the cost of a S and a 1tb SSD will be almost the same as a Series X though)

 

[Black_Stride]

You assume everything is standard, I am telling you likely not, you need to design it to work on the board , r and d what’s best, do research , rewrite software and what not . Maybe adjust the connector , which we don’t know .. which drives the price up . We also don’t know if it’s more standard than I assume .

but best part is , a tech savvy personcan replace it easily, which is always a big win .

Its M.2 thats a standard connection.
The expansion drive is CF Express also a standard connection.

The Series S too? But I guess it’s going to cost the same as one of those expansion cards at first for a while, but still possibly one day having the S with a larger Internal sounds good. (Still the cost of a S and a 1tb SSD will be almost the same as a Series X though)

Obviously Series S as well....why would they work out two totally different SSDs for their consoles when there is supposed to be parity in that sense.
But yes it does mean a 1TB Series S is likely much closer than people think.....and if more third parties make 2230s at reasonable prices (and we can clone easily enough) larger capacity Series S and Series x should be easy work.

These 2230 drives are what Microsoft was already using in their Surface Laptop devices so this likely cost them pocket change as they already had massive orders for them.

 

[LostDonkey]

Fantastic new for repairs/upgrades as long as supported.

 

[Max_Po]

Rofl .... xbox fanboys will find "great" in everything... my 2.5 year old has same colored play dough ...

 

[sinnergy]

how can it be pcle 3.0 and have writing speeds up to 5gb/s???

It’s all standard man ... don’t question these posters .

anyway : less is better .

 

[kuncol02]

Yikes.
Is lead that expensive now?

That's somehow bad now? That's probably best news about XBox since it's power reveal.

 

[T-Cake]

But what if you want to keep your console for like 15-30 years i still have my 2006 PS3 and it still works great i fire it up like 3 to 4 times a month for the Gran Turismo 5 when something you love you want it to last forever lol

LMAO. Don't you think MS will ensure BC going forward for every console now. You'll be able to play 2020 games on the 2034 Xbox don't you worry.

 

[AmateurPong]

Great news, MS really put a ton of thought into the design this gen.

 

[Black_Stride]

Rofl .... xbox fanboys will find "great" in everything... my 2.5 year old has same colored play dough ...

Is being able to repair/change the internal SSD NOT great?

 

[Max_Po]

Is being able to repair/change the internal SSD NOT great?

You can't. I remember you have to go to freakin LOOPs to replace the xbox360 hdd and Xbox1 hard drives. They are locked.

 

[kuncol02]

You can't. I remember you have to go to freakin LOOPs to replace the xbox360 hdd and Xbox1 hard drives. They are locked.

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And now be nice and dont' talk about things you have no idea about.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Seems like the fastest way to void your warranty.

 

[geordiemp]

Is being able to repair/change the internal SSD NOT great?

The life of the SSD will be how often SSD is written to not read.

If ps5 does have a quick resume feature option i will turn it off for sure.

 

[Black_Stride]

You can't. I remember you have to go to freakin LOOPs to replace the xbox360 hdd and Xbox1 hard drives. They are locked.

You just needed the right software to clone/format your drive.....not exactly loops from hell considering you are savvy enough to open the console.
The same is likely true here....its an M.2 so not exactly hard to connect to a PC.

So yes if you have a 2230 of correct speed thats 1TB your Series S could be a 1TB for cheap.
If 2230 2TB+ drives show up for the right price you could upgrade your Series X to whatever you find.

Is it something you do day one, probably not.....but atleast its an option.

So yes it is great to have an option of upgrading your internal drives.

 

[Black_Stride]

The life of the SSD will be how often SSD is written to not read.

If ps5 does have a quick resume feature option i will turn it off for sure.

What the fuck?

Who is talking about the PS5?
Who is talking about quick resume?
Who is talking about writes vs reads on an SSD.

Did you mean to quote me or quote someone else?

 

[sinnergy]

The life of the SSD will be how often SSD is written to not read.

If ps5 does have a quick resume feature option i will turn it off for sure.

I bet you can’t kill it in a 6 years life cycle ... but whatever.

even less if we have pro updates mid gen .. because hardcore will just buy those .

 

[geordiemp]

dp

 

[geordiemp]

What the fuck?

Who is talking about the PS5?
Who is talking about quick resume?
Who is talking about writes vs reads on an SSD.

Did you mean to quote me or quote someone else?

Title says "xbox-series-ssd-is-not-soldered-on-to-the-motherboard-like-ps5-is"

Your implying not soldered onto the board (like ps5) is a benefit. I pointed out the alternative in that XSX will do far more writing to the SSD by design.

No need to swear or be upset. You know exactly what you were saying and why you said it.

IF OP did not want comparisons to ps5 then change the thread title.

 

[The Lunch Legend]

Yikes.
Is lead that expensive now?

Only for ancient Romans

 

[Max_Po]

Xbox One Hard Drive Replacement

Follow this guide to remove the hard drive from your Xbox One, and follow it in reverse to install a new drive. Depending on the firmware version...

www.ifixit.com

And now be nice and dont' talk about things you have no idea about.

Hey Moron, you also need a working hard drive and then clone it.

it ain't plug in and play. Try reading the fucking article before presenting yourself as an xbox hero.


** Also ** I just want to add, I rather send my console in for repair as the price is still full.
if the price drops and my warranty has expired then and only then I tinker with hardware.

The xbox is 600 + 13% tax here. ... in KAN-A-DA !!!

 

[RaZoR No1]

Good news that we could change the SSD in the future.
The amount of people who will change it by themselves will be very very small (warranty etc.) but makes it for MS easier to repair the consoles, if the SSD should fail.
The strange thing is, they partnered with Seagate for the expandable SSD but went with WD for the internal one?

Do we know if Xbox Series X and S use PCIe 3 or 4 for the internal SSD?

 

[Black_Stride]

Title says "xbox-series-ssd-is-not-soldered-on-to-the-motherboard-like-ps5-is"

Your implying not soldered onto the board (like ps5) is a benefit. I pointed out the alternative in that XSX will do far more writing to the SSD by design.

No need to swear or be upset. You know exactly what you were saying and why you said it.

IF OP did not want comparisons to ps5 then change the thread title.

Points of comparison are not always attacks.
You are overly overly defensive....they are different designs, its being pointed out.

Second:
I didnt make the thread title so why are you quoting me to attack the thread title?

I didnt make any mention of reads vs writes......why are you quoting me to make that point?

I didnt make any mention of quick resume.....why are you quoting me to make that point?

I did say having an option to change the internal drive is great.....but at no point in my post or even in my mind was I think.....PS5 so stupid for soldering, I legit legit wasnt even think about the PS5 when I replied to M Max_Po

So I ask again, what the fuck are you on about and did you actually mean to quote me??

On Topic
More clear pictures of the drive:

 

[RoboFu]

Yikes.
Is lead that expensive now?

Huh it cost more to not solder it. Lol

But also means we might be able to replace it.

 

[Calverz]

Il probably do this eventually then. Looks a lot easier than the ps5

 

[Birdo]

I'm no expert, but isn't this only good if MS let you download the OS and install it onto a new SSD?

 

[Concern]

Always the same individuals crying in Xbox threads. Mods going to have to get ready for the influx once the spec thread is closed.

If im able to replace my ssd, i will at least put a 2tb one in it.

 

[prinz_valium]

I'm no expert, but isn't this only good if MS let you download the OS and install it onto a new SSD?

They did that with the Xbox One.
So I would expect the same here.

 

[KingT731]

I'm no expert, but isn't this only good if MS let you download the OS and install it onto a new SSD?

You can clone the drive in most cases but we'll have to see if there's any additional security on the drives. Already available for previous generation so I expect the same.

 

[Elios83]

OP the internal SSD is not meant to be replaced otherwise Microsoft wouldn't have created the external SSD cards. They want to sell those.
There is no way to tell if it's possible to successfully install the OS on an other SSD with a different serial/brand and all without voiding the warranty.

 

[Ulysses 31]

OP the internal SSD is not meant to be replaced otherwise Microsoft wouldn't have created the external SSD cards. They want to sell those.
There is no way to tell if it's possible to successfully install the OS on an other SSD with a different serial and all without voiding the warranty.

Maybe not meant to but if it turns out it is replaceable with faster SSDs with noticeable benefits, you can bet I'll look into replacing it with bigger and faster SSD.

 

[Black_Stride]

I'm no expert, but isn't this only good if MS let you download the OS and install it onto a new SSD?

If you clone the drive the OS will pick it up.
Its worked exactly the same with every Xbox......the "security" is that the console wont format a drive for you, so the drive needs to be preFormatted when you install it.


Can guarantee by the end of year one there will be an Xbox Series formatter out for free.
We just need to hope and pray 2230s at 1 - 2TB+ start showing up for cheap.

MS did this almost surely because they have a shit ton of 2230s from their Surface Laptops lying around, the little cover even looks the same.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Why would it be surprising?

just because they partnered with them to do the external drive?

it's a good thing they didn't go with Seagate. we'd be hearing of Xbox consoles failing after a year. WD makes top tier SSDs

That was my answer.... Seagate drives have failed me since 1996!

 

[Hendrick's]

You can clone the drive in most cases but we'll have to see if there's any additional security on the drives. Already available for previous generation so I expect the same.

Someone will figure this out rather quickly and have snapshots available online.

 

[geordiemp]

Points of comparison are not always attacks.
You are overly overly defensive....they are different designs, its being pointed out.

Second:
I didnt make the thread title so why are you quoting me to attack the thread title?

I didnt make any mention of reads vs writes......why are you quoting me to make that point?

I didnt make any mention of quick resume.....why are you quoting me to make that point?

I did say having an option to change the internal drive is great.....but at no point in my post or even in my mind was I think.....PS5 so stupid for soldering, I legit legit wasnt even think about the PS5 when I replied to M Max_Po

So I ask again, what the fuck are you on about and did you actually mean to quote me??

On Topic
More clear pictures of the drive:

Less of the swearing please

I did not attack you, I pointed out soldering to the board is not an issue if you are doing less writes for that aplication. I explained why and gave an example.

If you do not want to enter the comparison of ps5 vs XSX SSD, then dont post in a thread about such a comparison.

is that hard to understand ?

 

[Black_Stride]

Less of the swearing please

I did not attack you, I pointed out soldering to the board is not an issue if you are doing less writes for that aplication. I explained why and gave an example.

If you do not want to enter the comparison of ps5 vs XSX SSD, then dont post in a thread about such a comparison.

is that hard to understand ?

So it was a general reply to the thread not one directed at me?
Then why quote me?

If you just posted what you posted I wouldnt have bothered responding to you, but you quoted me so I assumed you were replying to what I was saying....in which I said nothing contrary to your points, which makes you post seem misguided.....literally.

 

[TheContact]

This doesn't mean you can actually replace it. They would have to support installing the OS to a new drive etc, which remains to be seen.

if they had no intention of letting you install the OS on another compatible ssd, they 100% would not use an m.2 slot on the mobo and they would have just soldered it since the former increases manufacturing costs

 

[geordiemp]

So it was a general reply to the thread not one directed at me?
Then why quote me?

If you just posted what you posted I wouldnt have bothered responding to you, but you quoted me so I assumed you were replying to what I was saying....in which I said nothing contrary to your points, which makes you post seem misguided.....literally.

I picked the first post I saw about soldered to the board, it was not specfically aimed at you of course not. I was not picking an argument.

If there was good discourse (again GAF in general not you), it would be along the lines of what is the life expentancy in writes, what is the expected case usage and applications using writes, and as such design choice of costs to add chips direct or add a slot vs expected usage.

But we are not on b3d so...

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

So... not a Seagate internally? That’s kinda surprising isn’t it?

On laptops it's quite common to have multiple ssd suppliers for a single product, so i woulnd't be surprised that if you opened a different xbox you'd find a seagate in there.

 

[Thirty7ven]

PCIe3 after all. Well those speeds weren’t lying I guess.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

how can it be pcle 3.0 and have writing speeds up to 5gb/s???

It doesn't do 5gb/s. If you go to WD website, you'll see it's a 2400mb/s drive, which we already knew months ago. Where did you get 5gb/s?

 

[KungFucius]

The PS5 has the main SSD soldered in? What are the 5 year failure rates of these things? Can you tell it to boot from a spare? That is some customer unfriendly bullshit there unless there is a way to work around it.

 

[Hendrick's]

The PS5 has the main SSD soldered in? What are the 5 year failure rates of these things? Can you tell it to boot from a spare? That is some customer unfriendly bullshit there unless there is a way to work around it.

Planned obsolescence.

 

[Iced Arcade]

"MS are doing everything right."

 

[oldergamer]

I was actually hoping for this approach. you never know if you will run into issues. Hopefully MS makes this a warranty fix through best buy or some other place so you can take it in to get a repair quickly. It would save them a ton on shipping costs and hardware.

 

[geordiemp]

The PS5 has the main SSD soldered in? What are the 5 year failure rates of these things? Can you tell it to boot from a spare? That is some customer unfriendly bullshit there unless there is a way to work around it.

It depends on number of writes, as ps5 is not writing game saves and states for every game to the SSD its life will be around how often you install games,a nd with modern SSD not an issue.

 

[Arun1910]

Makes sense, the PS5 is a custom design and is a big part of their marketing.

 

[Kerotan]

I'll be getting the ps5 pro in a few years so any thought of the SSD failing to me is not really relevant. It should easily last 4 years or so.