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[MeatSafeMurderer]

I don't know. Don't switch the subject. We were talking about if she did this with the intention of pushing him over the edge to kill himself. Which is obviously bullshit.

Oh. So she just intended to completely decimate his career and render him unemployed, homeless and destitute going forward. Well I guess that's totally okay then, as long as she didn't intend to drive him to suicide.
That's blatant sarcasm, in case you can't tell...not that it matters, you got banned anyway.

 

[MagnesG]

Zoe Quinn the homicider. Avoid at all costs.

Truthfully I had no real life attachment to the guy (ofc), so a real sympathy might be overkill. Still, mighty mighty condolences to his family.

Police will make investigations sooner or later about this, especially when it reeks of facilitated suicide. We don't know what's the end for this though, it might blew up or got put down.

I hope Zoe got charged with manslaughter, fair for what this whore did.

 

[Foamy]

Oh btw, she might have nuked her twitter account, but she didn't nuke her patreon. She's still happily collecting internet money.

But of course. And that's what bothers me the most about this situation. I think there was a relationship of sorts between them and while he made have acted appallingly towards her, I would not be surprised if the rape allegations have been exaggerated by her to gain support, get a little payback against him and benefit financially.

 

[A Regular Guy]

But of course. And that's what bothers me the most about this situation. I think there was a relationship of sorts between them and while he made have acted appallingly towards her, I would not be surprised if the rape allegations have been exaggerated by her to gain support, get a little payback against him and benefit financially.

If you see my post around pages 18 or 19 (I think) I did post a retweet of Alec admitting he didn't like Zoe and stated that she's a liar in 2013.

 

[danielberg]

lol @reeee again going with social media as "judge, jury and executioner" they learned nothing just like with etika, the whole human rights thingy of "innocent until proven guilty" is still a alien concept to them.
At least this time they can blame zoe and pretend as if they didnt join the mob which they did.

 

[infinitys_7th]

I figured out where the confirmation that she 1) had been in contact with him, 2) knew he had been in therapy, and 3) forgave him after he apologized was from - literally the first post she put up about the accusation. Sigh. It had already been posted, so props to llien . It is in the first image.

For those who don't want to check out twitter:

However, there were two more images of her discussing it:

Just some additional things I picked up.

1. She never says that Alec raped her, just that he was abusive or an asshole.
2. She claims that he blacklisted her in the industry, which seems fucking ridiculous considering literally everyone seems to know her/have fucked her.

 

[Zannegan]

Oh btw, she might have nuked her twitter account, but she didn't nuke her patreon. She's still happily collecting internet money.

Of course not. But you can bet that Patreon and crowdfunding sites in general will be the next battleground for "deplatforming." She'll never be touched, but Colin Moriarty better collect now while the collecting is good

 

[Ladioss]

lol @reeee again going with social media as "judge, jury and executioner" they learned nothing just like with etika, the whole human rights thingy of "innocent until proven guilty" is still a alien concept to them.

They have tasted blood. Now they won't stop before they have had their fill.

 

[Kenpachii]

But what happens when those bad people falsely accuse you of, say, being a pedo, and all their media accomplices make it to where you can never get a job again?

Sue them for all the money that you miss out on simple.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Sue them for all the money that you miss out on simple.

Vic Mignogna's defamation defense suit has used somewhere around $200,000 already, and it is still in the beginning stages.

Lawsuits are not an option for the average person.

 

[mango drank]

lol @reeee again going with social media as "judge, jury and executioner" they learned nothing just like with etika, the whole human rights thingy of "innocent until proven guilty" is still a alien concept to them.

Not to derail, but what did RE do re: Etika?

 

[infinitys_7th]

Not to derail, but what did RE do re: Etika?

Harassed him until he jumped off of a bridge for some sort of anti-diversity remark.

 

[Foamy]

This is all very sad. You see heartwarming movies where two very broken people get together and help to mend each other. This is the antithesis of that. Seemingly two tornadoes of insecurity and manipulation colliding into one larger shit storm.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

Not to derail, but what did RE do re: Etika?

Had a 30 page thread bullying him when he was not in a very good place. Some posts even wishing he would go away forever and trying to dehumanize him. Etika made a post saying something about suicide a week or so before he actually did it and a mod posted a gif implying he didn't care if he did it or not. Of course after it happened they tried to act all sympathetic and cover their tracks by deleting as many posts as they could.

 

[Kenpachii]

Vic Mignogna's defamation defense suit has used somewhere around $200,000 already, and it is still in the beginning stages.

Lawsuits are not an option for the average person.

Nice court system

 

[01011001]

Nice court system

MURRICA

 

[infinitys_7th]

Nice court system

You know, I'm not for single payer healthcare, but I have always thought it is ridiculous that the legal system is literally forced on citizens at gunpoint, but we have to pay to navigate it to any nonsuperficial degree.

The law industry really ought to be nationalized and regulated. It is not really something that can be "market driven", as you can't exactly find an alternative legal system.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Of course not. But you can bet that Patreon and crowdfunding sites in general will be the next battleground for "deplatforming." She'll never be touched, but Colin Moriarty better collect now while the collecting is good

I believe I read somewhere that Patreon had already culled severall "creators".

But of course. And that's what bothers me the most about this situation. I think there was a relationship of sorts between them and while he made have acted appallingly towards her, I would not be surprised if the rape allegations have been exaggerated by her to gain support, get a little payback against him and benefit financially.

Well, whatever it was Alec is now dead and there's no fixing that. I just hope she's not gonna try to use his death to prop herself up and snatch some attention. That'd be... deplorable.

 

[A Regular Guy]

A tale of a 2 faced game journalist

 

[Whitesnake]

Not to derail, but what did RE do re: Etika?

To add on to other people’s answers, I made a thread on twitter documenting ResetEra’s hypocrisy regarding Etika. When he got hospitalized he was “a bigot”, “worthless”, “asshole”, etc. When he died suddenly those exact same people started acting like they give a shit about him and his mental health.

 

[Kenpachii]

You know, I'm not for single payer healthcare, but I have always thought it is ridiculous that the legal system is literally forced on citizens at gunpoint, but we have to pay to navigate it to any nonsuperficial degree.

The law industry really ought to be nationalized and regulated. It is not really something that can be "market driven", as you can't exactly find an alternative legal system.

Like if that court system results in somebody accusing you and ruining your life, costing you 200k to defend yourself. Yea why even have a court system rofl. It's fucking useless.

I can tommorow accuse anybody from being a pedo and ruin there life if i just check how much money they got on there bank account they are fucked.

No wonder these people kill themselves.

 

[infinitys_7th]

A tale of a 2 faced game journalist

Gamespot/GameFAQs is absolutely terrible now. Every wave of mods since 2016 has gotten more and more loony because the mods help select their successors. So, obviously, once you get in one SJW you will always have at least one of them, and their numbers will never decline.

 

[KINGMOKU]

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that if you if you make claims of this magnitude on twitter, you should immediately be picked up by police and forced to file a police report, and sign an affidavit stating everything is true to your knowledge, the tweet should be removed immediately, and the person removed from twitter. These are criminal accusations.

This kind of trial by public absolutely cannot continue. It just cannot. Anyone could say anything about anybody and it could destroy the person blamed, or the person blaming as it will make everyone not believe them after time. (cry wolf e.t.c.)

Criminal accusations need to be brought to the proper authorities, not wildly slung into the public like this.

Thoughts?

 

[mango drank]

Man. The more time goes on, the more I think the internet was a mistake. It's brought out the hooting medieval villager mob in us, hiding just below the polite facade. We condemn barbaric public stonings in backwards 3rd-world countries, but gleefully take part in virtual stonings using homegrown platforms built right here by 1st-world nerds.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

A tale of a 2 faced game journalist

Did he delete your post?

 

[infinitys_7th]

Like if that court system results in somebody accusing you and ruining your life, costing you 200k to defend yourself. Yea why even have a court system rofl. It's fucking useless.

I can tommorow accuse anybody from being a pedo and ruin there life if i just check how much money they got on there bank account they are fucked.

No wonder these people kill themselves.

The only reason that Vic has been able to fight is that the GoFundMe Nick Rekieta created has absorbed the initial costs - filing, and now up through TCPA filings, which have to be gone through before the actual trial can even happen.

If that happens to you or me, we are fucked.

 

[Scopa]

A tale of a 2 faced game journalist

Is that the same person? Is it a Gamespot employee? Which one?

I have no context here.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Of course not. But you can bet that Patreon and crowdfunding sites in general will be the next battleground for "deplatforming." She'll never be touched, but Colin Moriarty better collect now while the collecting is good

Did you miss the Patreon storm earlier this year? (or was it last year)

Had a 30 page thread bullying him when he was not in a very good place. Some posts even wishing he would go away forever and trying to dehumanize him. Etika made a post saying something about suicide a week or so before he actually did it and a mod posted a gif implying he didn't care if he did it or not. Of course after it happened they tried to act all sympathetic and cover their tracks by deleting as many posts as they could.

This would be part of the course from that crowd - every second sentence they say is "this bigot should kill himself", now owning it is also pretty much par for the course... You know, condemning bullying and literally taking part in some of its worse form.

 

[A Regular Guy]

Gamespot/GameFAQs is absolutely terrible now. Every wave of mods since 2016 has gotten more and more loony because the mods help select their successors. So, obviously, once you get in one SJW you will always have at least one of them, and their numbers will never decline.

I know majority of the Mods in Gamespot. It's just that Charizard1605 is a complete hypocrite and acting like he didn't partake in the mob with era. The Phantom Thief account is his as well. He's a journalist for a click-bait no name site called Game Bolt.

 

[Cunth]

Any level headed person who stays on era after this is a total fuckwit

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Is that the same person? Is it a Gamespot employee? Which one?

I have no context here.

Yeah that's the mods ResetEra account.

 

[A Regular Guy]

Charizard1605 is indeed Phantom Thief of ResetEra, he's also a game journalist for the no name click-bait site, Gaming Bolt.

 

[Zannegan]

I believe I read somewhere that Patreon had already culled severall "creators".

Did you miss the Patreon storm earlier this year? (or was it last year)

Apparently I did. Call me Postradamus.

 

[Foamy]

Man. The more time goes on, the more I think the internet was a mistake. It's brought out the hooting medieval villager mob in us, hiding just below the polite facade. We condemn barbaric public stonings in backwards 3rd-world countries, but gleefully take part in virtual stonings using homegrown platforms built right here by 1st-world nerds.

I think open discussion is fine even if it results in strong emotional reactions. It's people directing those emotions into direct attacks on people (@ twitter) and injecting themselves into the story that's a problem.

 

[MeatSafeMurderer]

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that if you if you make claims of this magnitude on twitter, you should immediately be picked up by police and forced to file a police report, and sign an affidavit stating everything is true to your knowledge, the tweet should be removed immediately, and the person removed from twitter. These are criminal accusations.

This kind of trial by public absolutely cannot continue. It just cannot. Anyone could say anything about anybody and it could destroy the person blamed, or the person blaming as it will make everyone not believe them after time. (cry wolf e.t.c.)

Criminal accusations need to be brought to the proper authorities, not wildly slung into the public like this.

Thoughts?

I think these people turn to twitter and the like because they can't prove it, either because it was too long ago or because it's just an outright lie. It can't continue though. It's mob justice...and mob justice, as has been shown repeatedly, acts on a basis of guilty until proven innocent. Avoiding this kind of crap IRL is why, in the civilised world, we have courts. Unfortunately the internet has allowed witch burnings to flourish once more.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Apparently I did. Call me Postradamus.

There is also a bank that deleted a couple of accounts of right wing people for some reasons they refused to clarify... from what I recall they were not some obviously egregious people.

 

[danielberg]

Should never have been dragged into the social media spotlight before the police was involved.
Its not taking sides ala "he is innocent/ he is guilty" either its literally that we dont know and everything that happened so far is built on a claim/maybe.
Maybe its true, maybe its not, either way with police involvement things could have taken a different direction.

 

[Dacon]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand cancel culture claims another victim.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

Zoe Quinn deleted her twatter. Guess too many uncomfortably difficult to prove accusations lying around.

 

[Portugeezer]

"This week has been tough for MANY of us?" Seriously?

Bitch, the only people this week has been tough on in this entire fucking mess is Alec and his now greiving family and friends. Get the fuck out of here with that empty gesture of a tweet.

Some guy killed himself, now is the time to remember that "many of us" (read: Anita) had a tough week.

 

[KINGMOKU]

Resetera is dangerous. It's just filled with bigots, racists, communists, anti-American weirdos. It's a haven for actual hate. I loathe to bring them up, but that site is at least partially responsible for this man's death in my view. They are notorious for this very kind of unsubstantiated dog-piling and this time it led to someone's death.

Whoever owns that site should know that they participated in this series of events, and it killed someone.

Advocating for people randomly accusing other people of criminal offenses on Twitter is dangerous, and the very reason this country has a criminal justice system. (Innocent until proven guilty)Unless your an advocate of "It's better 100 innocent people die then 1 guilty go free" school of thought.

You know what's really messed up?(assumption incoming) I'll bet the majority of the people in that thread cheerleading his death, and supporting people who make unsubstantiated criminal claims on twitter that led to a mans death, are against the death penalty.

Square that.

That place is just vile. Good grief.

 

[ULTROS!]

#cancelcancelculture

RIP Alec, you don’t deserve this witch hunt. No one does.

 

[NYR]

To add on to other people’s answers, I made a thread on twitter documenting ResetEra’s hypocrisy regarding Etika. When he got hospitalized he was “a bigot”, “worthless”, “asshole”, etc. When he died suddenly those exact same people started acting like they give a shit about him and his mental health.

kitchenmotors is and always will be a walking joke.

Another one:

And today:

 

[infinitys_7th]

Alec Holowka Died, Gamergate Readying to Exploit the Tragedy

archived 1 Sep 2019 02:01:49 UTC

archive.li

"Alec Holowka killed himself, but Gamergate is being mean to victims!"

Some guy killed himself, now is the time to remember that "many of us" (read: Anita) had a tough week.

*cough*Narcissists*cough*

 

[mango drank]

I think open discussion is fine even if it results in strong emotional reactions. It's people directing those emotions into direct attacks on people (@ twitter) and injecting themselves into the story that's a problem.

Yeah, online communication and public profiles / soapboxes are many different things to many different people. I'm just thinking out loud about the unintended consequences of a global communication network foisted onto billions of creatures over just the past couple decades, creatures that had spent eons prior to that evolving without it.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Yeah, online communication and public profiles / soapboxes are many different things to many different people. I'm just thinking out loud about the unintended consequences of a global communication network foisted onto billions of creatures over just the past couple decades, creatures that had spent eons prior to that evolving without it.

I used the term before, but I think the problem is "pathological empathy". People are reading descriptions of problems they have no idea the veracity of from people they never met and automatically empathize with them to the point that they essentially see the problems as their own. As this is an emotional reaction, they do not question, and respond to questions with anger and rage because it is active in the most base part of their brain.

 

[Petrae]

Talking about a crime that has allegedly been committed but not reported on social media, as a matter of public record, should be a crime in and of itself.

Hiding behind social media because you’re afraid of the law, or afraid of retaliation, or any number of other excuses, should not be tolerated... regardless of the situation. If you’re courageous enough as an alleged victim to implicate someone on Twitter or Facebook, then you’re courageous enough to file a police report and subsequent criminal charges. This is circumvention of the legal system, with the added peril of accusing someone in a public forum of a crime with no intention of following legal processes.

Laws need to be changed and updated to apply to modern technology, which includes the liberal use of social media for harassment and intimidation. It can be argued that Quinn should be questioned by law enforcement regarding her role in this death.

Social media probably should be more responsible for the content allowed to be posted there. Allowing such intimidation, which led to the death of an individual, should fall at least in part on the shoulders of the forums that allow such intimidation to occur.

A very sad situation, and a frustrating reminder of how social media has been weaponized and co-opted by people as an instrument of abuse, harassment, and intimidation. It’s a severe devolution from its more humble beginnings as a forum to share random photos and blurbs on how you spent your day.

 

[dorkimoe]

I hope this is enough to bring era down for good. Those people are sick

 

[Boss Key]

Welcome aboard dude.

Thank you <3 I'm enjoying my stay here very much.

 

[Punished Miku]

Talking about a crime that has allegedly been committed but not reported on social media, as a matter of public record, should be a crime in and of itself.

Hiding behind social media because you’re afraid of the law, or afraid of retaliation, or any number of other excuses, should not be tolerated... regardless of the situation. If you’re courageous enough as an alleged victim to implicate someone on Twitter or Facebook, then you’re courageous enough to file a police report and subsequent criminal charges. This is circumvention of the legal system, with the added peril of accusing someone in a public forum of a crime with no intention of following legal processes.

Laws need to be changed and updated to apply to modern technology, which includes the liberal use of social media for harassment and intimidation. It can be argued that Quinn should be questioned by law enforcement regarding her role in this death.

Social media probably should be more responsible for the content allowed to be posted there. Allowing such intimidation, which led to the death of an individual, should fall at least in part on the shoulders of the forums that allow such intimidation to occur.

A very sad situation, and a frustrating reminder of how social media has been weaponized and co-opted by people as an instrument of abuse, harassment, and intimidation. It’s a severe devolution from its more humble beginnings as a forum to share random photos and blurbs on how you spent your day.

It's too much of a slippery slope to ban people from speaking freely, or saying what they want.

As far as I can tell, the only real solution that doesn't obliterate freedom of speech is to get most employers and most people on board with the idea that they shouldn't respond to mob justice. If they are ignored, they lose any power.

But that seems impossible. If your job just randomly starts getting 10 calls a day about you, you're gone, because you are a liability.