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[TheContact]

First of all: RIP Alec
Secondly, reset era was a mistake; the cognitive dissonance there is like nothing I’ve ever seen before.

 

[RiccochetJ]

On TV and newspapers they have rules where you can't say whatever you want to prevent mob justice. When reporting on crime, in some countries the name of the accused can not be said.

I'd personally be fine with twitter and similar social media sites being shut down since they add nothing of value to humankind. However, to be fair to those who enjoy it, maybe they could delete all budding witch hunts. It's not like this hasn't been going on for years. It's also a huge problems in schools and a big cause of suicide there as well.

The reason why newspapers and TV have rules is to protect the person reporting it and themselves from lawsuits from libel and slander.

There is nothing stopping these accused people from going after people on twitter with lawsuits imo.

Notice how the scuba diver that rescued those kids is going after Elon Musk for calling him a pedo on Twitter.

Elon Musk is going to trial for calling a cave diver a pedophile on Twitter

Musk will defend his “pedo guy” tweet in October.

www.theverge.com

If it were me who was falsely accused, I wouldn't take my life. I would do all in my power to keep a lawyer on retainer and sue my accuser into oblivion. Considering this whole cancel culture, it would be unbelievably easy to show damages.

 

[nush]

accusation ten years later

Those guys didnt even read that part and think about it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

How can you people be so aggressive, targeting people left and right in different forums, Twitter and games media just after seeing what said actions can result in?

Games media and journalists either support left leaning tactics or ignore it.

There are few people brave enough to denounce the bullying because they don't want their Twitter or website getting bombed with angry soyboys comments.

Going along for the ride also helps their image, in hopes it leads to more sales too.

That's why you'll see individual Twitter users with no corporate affiliation being more hardened with their own viewpoints. But when it comes to a game studio or publisher, they get out their PR people and suck up hoping people keep buying their games.

And when it comes to business it's usually:

Money >>> Getting into political battles

 

[BigBooper]

If it were me who was falsely accused, I wouldn't take my life. I would do all in my power to keep a lawyer on retainer and sue my accuser into oblivion. Considering this whole cancel culture, it would be unbelievably easy to show damages.

This is ridiculous. The lawyer for the diver would not agree to represent the diver if Musk was a random scumbum twitter user who has no money. You can pay the lawyer to sue them yourself, sure, but then you spend thousands on the lawyer and win a judgement that will never be paid.

 

[Barakov]

I’m gutted that my gaming idol turned out to be a hateful worm. On a scale of 1 to 10 Ryan, 10 being he got what he deserved and 1 being he got off too lightly, where to you place your efforts?

A lot of former 1UP people seem like hardcore lefties. They seemed pretty reserved back in those days. Definitely shows how out of control the current political climate has become.

As much as I despise Era and would love to see it burn to the ground, it's kind of nice having all the crackpots in one place. If you ever need a break from reality you can go there, have a good laugh and then close the window.

Definitely agree with this. They are all concentrated in one site. It's a bit like when Yahoo out lawed porn on Tumblr. All the crazy degenerates spread to every area of the internet. That'd probably be the same case if Era got shut down.

 

[Chromata]

A tale of a 2 faced game journalist

Bringing his accounts/activity into this thread is disingenuous, dude. That's just fueling the fire which is far from productive. I understand if you disagree with his actions, I do too, but there's no need for this.

 

[Scopa]

Bringing his accounts/activity into this thread is disingenuous, dude. That's just fueling the fire which is far from productive. I understand if you disagree with his actions, I do too, but there's no need for this.

He posted it to the internet himself. Or was he held down and forced to?

 

[Whitesnake]

Bringing his accounts/activity into this thread is disingenuous, dude. That's just fueling the fire which is far from productive. I understand if you disagree with his actions, I do too, but there's no need for this.

Enough with the concern-trolling.

The guy switched his tone from "burn him at the stake" to "what a tragic loss" at the drop of a hat.

He is a two-faced lynchmobbing snake who deserves to be known as such.

 

[Chromata]

He posted it to the internet himself. Or was he held down and forced to?

Of course not. I just don't see what good can come out of this, we shouldn't resolve hate by throwing in more hate. There's enough of that vitriol on Resetera.

 

[RiccochetJ]

This is ridiculous. The lawyer for the diver would not agree to defend the diver if it was a random scumbum twitter user who has no money. You can pay the lawyer to sue them yourself, sure, but then you spend thousands on the lawyer and win a judgement that will never be paid.

I wasn't talking about getting paid. I'm talking about defending myself. And there's plenty of Lawyers who do pro bono work. Just google 'Pro Bono near me' in google. If they think you have a solid case, they'll take it.

 

[Chromata]

Enough with the concern-trolling.

The guy switched his tone from "burn him at the stake" to "what a tragic loss" at the drop of a hat.

He is a two-faced lynchmobbing snake who deserves to be known as such.

Have you even interacted with him to really know that? From what I know of him, he's a good guy. He's helped me out before. Don't judge a person's character by one or two posts, people aren't infallible.

This is what tends to happen on the internet, hate snowballs off limited information and real people get hurt in the process. Zoe's hate mob judged Alec based off limited information and idealized Alec as this "monster".

What happened here is very tragic, I agree his words were not wise at all, but why continue the trend?

 

[SlashBringingHasher]

some toxic feminisim (not all) seems to be present at large in video game culture. its not like this elsewhere

its empowered by the thirst of a million virgin male nerd

"oh that guy is a rapist I believe you now please show me your tits because am on your side"

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Have you even interacted with him to really know that? From what I know of him, he's a good guy. He's helped me out before. Don't judge a person's character by one or two posts, people aren't infallible.

This is what tends to happen on the internet, hate snowballs off limited information and real people get hurt in the process. Zoe's hate mob judged Alec based off limited information and idealized Alec as this "monster".

What happened here is very tragic, I agree his words were not wise at all, but why continue the trend?

I get what you're saying and even agree, but to be fair, if Era knew about his previous jokes and posts on SW and Push, they'd try and cancel him. So I don't know if he's in any position to place himself on a pedestal.

 

[Whitesnake]

Have you even interacted with him to really know that? From what I know of him, he's a good guy. He's helped me out before. Don't judge a person's character by one or two posts, people aren't infallible.

This is what tends to happen on the internet, hate snowballs off limited information and real people get hurt in the process. Zoe's hate mob judged Alec based off limited information and idealized Alec as this "monster".

What happened here is very tragic, I agree his words were not wise at all, but why continue the trend?

They judged Alec by Zoe Quinn's unsubstantiated accusations of what Alec has done.

I am judging this game journalist by his actual actions. The words he has proudly posted for all the world to see.

Do not conflate the two.

To kick a man while he's down and then turn around and act like you'll miss him is the scummiest shit a person can get away with.

I do not care if he presented himself as a saint to you. He has revealed the man behind the curtain now. His thoughts are not his own, but are those of whatever herd is fashionable that week. I hold no respect for anyone like that.

 

[MagnesG]

Have you even interacted with him to really know that? From what I know of him, he's a good guy. He's helped me out before. Don't judge a person's character by one or two posts, people aren't infallible.

This is what tends to happen on the internet, hate snowballs off limited information and real people get hurt in the process. Zoe's hate mob judged Alec based off limited information and idealized Alec as this "monster".

What happened here is very tragic, I agree his words were not wise at all, but why continue the trend?

Good, go tell him what kind of sick of a person he is. See if he cares.

He's not gonna change his 'innocent until proven guilty' stance sooner or later. Well unless he himself got fucked up by this shitstom. Dude really is short sighted and brainwashed.

 

[MayauMiao]

Ooof!

 

[Iorv3th]

Enough with the concern-trolling.

The guy switched his tone from "burn him at the stake" to "what a tragic loss" at the drop of a hat.

He is a two-faced lynchmobbing snake who deserves to be known as such.

The guys always been a shit head as far as I can remember.

Reminds me a lot of the guy that's tag was "Yves Guillemot secret account".

 

[infinitys_7th]

Ooof!

The irony has not escaped us.

As someone who has suffered with depression most of my life, her "game" actually hit a lot of things I went through when I watched YouTube vids of it way back when Gamergate first started. Everything you do feels pointless, and every failure is just magnified to unbearable levels. The feelings of pointlessness, worthlessness, and emptiness just consume you. I genuinely thought it was clever, even though I did not agree with her and was heavily on the GG side.

So her doing this to someone suffering from depression and other mental illnesses severe enough to require medication just tells me that she is a complete monster, even if I believe her claims. It's unforgivable.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

So this was all a ploy for Anita and Zoe to get money from #metoo "victims" and it backfired badly in their faces. I hope they get what they deserve. Nuke Era while you're at it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So this was all a ploy for Anita and Zoe to get money from #metoo "victims" and it backfired badly in their faces. I hope they get what they deserve. Nuke Era while you're at it.

It's a total grab for money and attention. Who knew being video game woke artist could be a career.

Seems like Zoe deleted her Twitter. But she'll be back. She's just being a manchild trying to avoid the clusterfuck of comments right now.

 

[Inviusx]

This might end the #metoo era as we know it. That cunt basically killed this poor dude for the sake of social media attention.

This will follow her for the rest of her life.

 

[kiunchbb]

RIP

“Alec Holowka, my brother and best friend, passed away this morning.
Those who know me will know that I believe survivors and I have always done everything I can to support survivors, those suffering from mental illnesses, and those with chronic illnesses. "

"Please don't exclude me from the woke group."

With sister like this I would consider ending myself too.

 

[EviLore]

RIP



"Please don't exclude me from the woke group."

With sister like this I would consider ending myself too.

He probably had few if any support structures.

 

[Yoshi]

He is innocent by default, and Quinn is a notorious attention-seeking pathological liar with a history of fake rape allegations.

Then why do you use a conditional there? I am pretty sure for her to face (legal) consequences, a courtcase would have to show that those were actual fake allegations, so it counts as libel. Just not being able to prove the correctness of her allegations is inssuficient. However, the problem I pointed towards is indeed a major reason public Twitter accusations are very problematic. People accused this way but not in a court have no good way to defend themselves and face the same societal consequences as if they were ruled guilty in court without any chance of a closure, unless they feel really confident about being able to prove their innocence in a libel courtcase.

You don't. You don't prove innocence, you prove guilt. If Quinn can't do that then she as good as murdered him.

No, it cannot work like that. If failing to prove rape allegations was sufficient to judge them as libel, reporting any crime, especially rape, would be hell.

 

[Ixiah]

Still dont get the Logic of the Twiiter Mob:
"Going to the Police rarely helps, so lets accuse someone without any Evidence on Social Media"
Because we always should believe Wahmen, right ?
Because Women would NEVER lie ?
I guess on reset that post would get me banned.

 

[A Regular Guy]

Still dont get the Logic of the Twiiter Mob:
"Going to the Police rarely helps, so lets accuse someone without any Evidence on Social Media"
Because we always should believe Wahmen, right ?
Because Women would NEVER lie ?
I guess on reset that post would get me banned.

The same twitter mob are the types that hate cops for no reason (or to get more woke points from BLM?)

 

[Psykodad]

some toxic feminisim (not all) seems to be present at large in video game culture. its not like this elsewhere

its empowered by the thirst of a million virgin male nerd

"oh that guy is a rapist I believe you now please show me your tits because am on your side"

This.

The problem isn't even the feminists, it's the white knights and SJWs who do all the heavy work for them.

 

[Halo is Back]

Then why do you use a conditional there? I am pretty sure for her to face (legal) consequences, a courtcase would have to show that those were actual fake allegations, so it counts as libel. Just not being able to prove the correctness of her allegations is inssuficient. However, the problem I pointed towards is indeed a major reason public Twitter accusations are very problematic. People accused this way but not in a court have no good way to defend themselves and face the same societal consequences as if they were ruled guilty in court without any chance of a closure, unless they feel really confident about being able to prove their innocence in a libel courtcase.

No, it cannot work like that. If failing to prove rape allegations was sufficient to judge them as libel, reporting any crime, especially rape, would be hell.

Well you sure as hell cant condemn him guilty automatically. I think there has to be some sort of liability. Remember, she didn’t go to friends, family, or authorities. Her first instinct was to post on Twitter. Which by the way probably has more followers than any of us on here so she KNOWS she has influence on social media. Look I’m not say she should be convicted of murder but there as to be SOME for of accountability if it is proven that he was innocent

 

[Forsythia]

for anyone that didn't see this TED talk yet. I wish you should.
And no longer support that shit stain website called twitter,

really stop delete your account. Don't give those fucks breathing room.

Thank you for posting that video, everyone should see it!

 

[nush]

So this was all a ploy for Anita and Zoe to get money from #metoo "victims" and it backfired badly in their faces. I hope they get what they deserve. Nuke Era while you're at it.

Yes, but they fucked up by speedrunning the first stage to get the ball rolling

5th anniversary of Gamergate
PAX 2019 weekend
All the accusers are LBQT dangerhairs who it seems know each other
The accusations have no evidence and could be summarized as "I was in a shit relationship with someone and still bitter about it"
Anita and Zoe have been reported as having no money left as of two months ago

These are all facts with proof that will be written off as a conspiracy theory.

 

[Naru]

for anyone that didn't see this TED talk yet. I wish you should.
And no longer support that shit stain website called twitter,

really stop delete your account. Don't give those fucks breathing room.

Social media in general was a great idea and still is but humans are can be super shitty and there are definitely people out there that should not be heard.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

 

[Xaero Gravity]

for anyone that didn't see this TED talk yet. I wish you should.
And no longer support that shit stain website called twitter,

really stop delete your account. Don't give those fucks breathing room.

this is what a sack of shit looks like

That's a fantastic listen.

 

[Yoshi]

Well you sure as hell cant condemn him guilty automatically. I think there has to be some sort of liability. Remember, she didn’t go to friends, family, or authorities. Her first instinct was to post on Twitter. Which by the way probably has more followers than any of us on here so she KNOWS she has influence on social media. Look I’m not say she should be convicted of murder but there as to be SOME for of accountability if it is proven that he was innocent

Absolutely, my only point was: How would one go aboutproving that, with her detail free accusations? Presumption of innocence is not a viable answer to that.

 

[Psajdak]

First of all, get involved with people as little as possible.

Second, even more than Quinn, I think his sister was really shitty, being in a way supportive of her brothers accuser, being all "mature" on the subject when her brother killed himself, and actually calling Quinn by her first name...

Like, seriously?

There are times for one to act civil, and this isn't one of those; that woman caused your brother's death, for fucks sake!

 

[Kagey K]

I get that we are on a video game forum and it’s very much a us vs them mentality, but sometimes exceptions have to be made.

It’s not a Sony vs Xbox vs Nintendo kind of thing. These are real accusations made at real people and the repercussions are irreversible for at least one of these members.

This Gaf vs Reee thing is a bit sickening at a few points in this thread. I get they acted despicably during this event, but I’m seeing some here that make me just as queasy.

I think some people are missing the actual point of this lesson, in order to get a “win” over someone else.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I get that we are on a video game forum and it’s very much a us vs them mentality, but sometimes exceptions have to be made.

It’s not a Sony vs Xbox vs Nintendo kind of thing. These are real accusations made at real people and the repercussions are irreversible for at least one of these members.

This Gaf vs Reee thing is a bit sickening at a few points in this thread. I get they acted despicably during this event, but I’m seeing some here that make me just as queasy.

I think some people are missing the actual point of this lesson, in order to get a “win” over someone else.

A dude killed himself over allegations made over a social monster that ruins lives. Rather than her filling a police report over sexual assault. Just to be on the news again. Now did RE go on twitter and start a libel crusade against said dude?

Yes or no?

 

[MizzyLone]

Is this like that Conard Roy situation?

 

[Kagey K]

A dude killed himself over allegations made over a social monster that ruins lives. Rather than her filling a police report over sexual assault. Just to be on the news again. Now did RE go on twitter and start a libel crusade against said dude?

Yes or no?

I don’t know what the truth is from any of the accusations. I stated that much earlier in the thread.

I also stated that if any of the accusations are untrue someone needs to be held accountable for it.

In the meantime I’m just making An observation, and some people making it a right vs left or Gaf vs Ree thing are taking away from the actual lessons we need to be learning.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Absolutely, my only point was: How would one go aboutproving that, with her detail free accusations? Presumption of innocence is not a viable answer to that.

As incredibly bad as it may sound, justice is not about making the victim feel better by punishing someone else. The “what else could person A do but try to ruin this person’s public and private life? Go to the cops... yeah, but with what proofs?”... this is what leads to innocents being hanged by the state to please the crowds as it used to happen... or they would fire on the crowds and burn revolting villages to the ground too... I guess people not been too too angry at the prospect of going from “better a guilty person free than an innocent in jail” to “better an innocent in jail than a guilty person free” would also not mind the latter shift in statesmanship .

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Is this like that Conard Roy situation?

Absolutely. She deleted her twitter out of fear obviously. The thing is he was Canadian and I'm not sure if the same laws apply there for suspected rapists!

In the meantime I’m just making An observation, and some people making it a right vs left or Gaf vs Ree thing are taking away from the actual lessons we need to be learning.

What lesson is there to be learned here? That people are shit to one another?

 

[Kagey K]

Absolutely. She deleted her twitter out of fear obviously. The thing is he was Canadian and I'm not sure if the same laws apply there for suspected rapists!


What lesson is there to be learned here? That people are shit to one another?

If that’s what you want to boil it down to. I guess that’s all that’s left.

I still believe people are better then that, but I can see I’m being naive.

 

[lyan]

My sincere condolences to all parties involved.

I hope mob culture die soon, and we can go back to a culture of reason, respect, and due process.

indeed. if the system is flawed then work towards fixing it. when they almost got clinton as president I'm sure they can work out some improvement

Still dont get the Logic of the Twiiter Mob:
"Going to the Police rarely helps, so lets accuse someone without any Evidence on Social Media"
Because we always should believe Wahmen, right ?
Because Women would NEVER lie ?
I guess on reset that post would get me banned.

I really don't understand why would going to the police not help in the US, it works all the time where I live. One just need to do it asap after it happened so dna and other evidence can still be collected.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

If that’s what you want to boil it down to. I guess that’s all that’s left.

I still believe people are better then that, but I can see I’m being naive.

There are good people. You won't find many of them on twitter starting shit though.

 

[MizzyLone]

[/QUOTE]

Wait I'm still confused. Did Alec really raped Zoe? Even if he did she should've gone to the Police instead of tweeting about it. If someone rapes me or threaten me and my family I would straight go to the police with all the evidence, not wait and tweet about it after a really long time.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

There is no proof other than her word.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Wait I'm still confused. Did Alec really raped Zoe? Even if he did she should've gone to the Police instead of tweeting about it. If someone rapes me or threaten me and my family I would straight go to the police with all the evidence, not wait and tweet about it after a really long time.

From my understanding it wasn't a rape accusation, more of a controlling relationship and something about walking around with his fingers inside her Cunth.

 

[Scopa]

There is no proof other than her word.

Which is worth as much as toilet paper at this point.


EDIT: Sorry, meant to say “used toilet paper”. Useless to most people, except that one ResetEra member.

 

[Kagey K]

Wait I'm still confused. Did Alec really raped Zoe? Even if he did she should've gone to the Police instead of tweeting about it. If someone rapes me or threaten me and my family I would straight go to the police with all the evidence, not wait and tweet about it after a really long time.
[/QUOTE]


From what evidence has been presented, it seems like they were in a very toxic relationship after she had just left another even more toxic relationship.

She forgave the super bad guy and transferred all her bad feelings on the toxic rebound instead of the person that should have taken that hate.