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[Kamina]

You are further right then me, so you must be a nazi

/s
SWJ logic

 

[Katsura]

I blame the ease of access. Computers/phones became way too easy to use. The internet also became user friendly and fast enough for everyone. All the soccermoms, the oversensitive little girls, the dumb narcissist jocks, etc, entered this world and made it theirs.

Smart phones was the turning point in my opinion.
Stupid phone posters, they truly ruin everything

 

[Dontero]

WTF is hard rape? Is there a soft rape?

In normal world you wouldn't need to say this.
But this is 2019 and apparently if you kiss someone cheek against their will it is now also called rape same with groping.

 

[Halo is Back]

this wasnt posted yet as it was visible only to kickstarter backers. I wish more developers were as open about such topics as they were. Comments there like "you have blood on your hands" in such a situation are unacceptable. most are comments of support



Hey all. This update is going to be very difficult. Thanks for your understanding in advance. If you're in need of content warnings- there's going to be mentions of sexual abuse, abuse in general, suicide, etc

This week allegations of abuse came to light against Alec Holowka, coder/composer/co-designer of NITW. Since then several other people have stepped forward, detailing issues of varying levels of severity that stretch right up to today. As a result, we won't be working with Alec anymore. Let's talk about that. And please do read through all the way before commenting.

There's a decent amount about every life, relationship, and project that anyone who isn't involved directly will never know about. As you can imagine there's tons of things about NITW development that never made it to the internet in a post somewhere. Just like your life, or job, or family, or the things you work on. We've had a complicated relationship with Alec, one that was at times extremely difficult, but we have always cared about him, and we did some pretty great work together if I do say so myself. Sometime in the future we'll probably have to go into detail about that difficult history. I don't know if I can bring myself to do it now. But I'll just ask you to keep that in mind.

I'll keep this all brief (edit- i just finished writing and i did not keep it brief but it could have easily been 3 times as long). It will surely fail to answer every question you might have. Bear with me.

When we met Alec in 2013 he was a different guy than he is now. We jumped into this kickstarter only knowing each other for a couple brief months. We didn't expect it to change our lives and bind us into a team for half a decade. Despite us being very different people, Alec and I have always gotten along. And I really respect his work and his can-do spirit. He's just up for making things, figuring out problems, suggesting cool ways to accomplish something. And his music is great too, which is something a whole lot of people would agree on. And beyond that he was very open to Bethany and I taking lead on narrative, characters, world, art, writing, etc. For that we're grateful and we have some really fond memories of working with him.

But about a year or so into the project we began realizing that Alec was a bit unstable, often lashing out at people he lived with. We heard through him and some others that he had some pretty volatile dating relationships. Nothing that said /abuse/, just hey there's a lot of drama here. During the next couple of years Alec's instability would lead to his leaving the indie house space in Vancouver he'd been a part of for years and heading to Winnipeg. We took the brunt of this as well. Things got very bad with both him and NITW development and we were honestly making worst case scenario plans by the end of 2015. The story of how NITW was saved late that year gets very personal for me and is all too close still. I'll tell it someday, maybe soon. I don't tend to talk about my own trauma shit often. But it was then I started having very bad no-joke-actual-medical-issue panic attacks daily, which happened on and off until mid 2017, and with one exception haven't returned. Until the past week.

But beginning in this bad time for Alec in 2015 (and he's publicly talked about this, we're not dropping confidential info) he went through a good month or so of intense therapy and diagnosis. He emerged from that, honestly putting in the work, putting a lot of that past self behind him, staying up on therapy and meds. We were so proud of him. And relieved. By 2016 he was basically a new person, and we really got to be friends then I think, and we finished up NITW. Since then we've kept in touch, saying hey when we're in the same place once a year or so, and recently we've been working weekly on that backer game, which we were all very excited about (more on that later). We were just relieved what with how rocky things had started that we'd all made it out of this with a game we could be proud of, and also that Alec was doing well.

In the past couple of years he got his own game studio thing going with various great people, making games that from what I've seen look very cool. He's been really interested in making good shit with good people. I was honestly just so happy and proud of the guy. I still am, for the ways in which he actually did change, and for the work he's made.

This all came crashing down recently, culminating in this week.

I'm not going to root through everything in there and give a line by line analysis, but I'll say that enough of the allegations are extremely plausible and just about all of it we've corroborated with other sources. I'm not going to list those out here, this isn't a trial, and we don't /owe/ the internet a comprehensive accounting of why so many people who have known Alec for years have looked at the accusations and believed them.

Seriously, what you see on twitter isn't representative of real life. It's just what makes it into posts. When people who have years-long real life experience with the guy, people who knew him in different situations, locations, ages, and contexts, all say the same thing, you can assume there's more to this than you'd know from outside the situation, taking it in 280 characters at a time.

Whatever happened years ago, this week a contractor working for Alec, whom we know and trust, has come forward with her own experiences with Alec. Others have talked about how Alec's conduct towards women was something whispered around at game events. A woman I've known for a while got in touch with us this week talking about how she's been told many times not to be alone in a room with him. Men have gotten in touch about working with Alec and the things that happened to them there. There are other things, things from people we trust, things you'll probably never hear about. But honestly just being a really shitty boss, as detailed by Albertine, is probably enough for us to separate from him alone. To say nothing of the far more serious allegations out there. Multiple people are afraid to run into the guy at different conferences. We were with him at some of those conferences. Now knowing that people were afraid to approach us and say hello eats at me.

The things that Alec did during the bad times were worse than we knew, and he's still being abusive in other ways to those around him. We didn't know. We feel like idiots. We feel betrayed. We're sad and angry. We put in the work with him during those really bad times. It's hard to talk about, and everyone really wants us to talk about it. They want detailed accountings of every aspect. Some people want to know exactly what we knew and when so they can figure out who around him is most complicit. Some people want us to give them hard evidence, as if such a thing was even possible, or as if it would appropriate to give them in the first place. Some people randomly doubt all of this because nobody had Alec arrested, which shows a weird understanding of the reality of human relationships and abuse that I can only assume comes from experience of the world via online chatter and a list of how things should work. The idea that there's a foolproof system in place that can stop this, can riddle it out, can tell us exactly who is and isn't guilty, a system which can set all this right. But it doesn't work like that in real life. Some of the demand for more info stems from the idea that if something is put out in public then any interested party is owed as much information as they want to work out their own stance and to judge ours. But at least for us the only reason we're working this out in public is because we have to. It was out there, and we've had to respond to it. Like we have to tell you now. And it's been like stabbing myself in the stomach every day to have to type words like this. To sum up- this isn't some "guilty til proven innocent" or "social media mob" thing for us. There's years of real life context to this, involving lots of people who aren't even online or public about this, and the fact that some folks just found out about it this week doesn't mean it began there. It's just when it became public.

If I sound grouchy about that aspect of things, it's because all week I've felt awful about this and I've had more than enough people yelling at me that we've flippantly decided to ditch Alec, simply because they're clueless about the larger situation here and unable to accept that their vantage point on the thing is extremely limited. It wasn't just a callout post that made this happen. More people than us are destroyed about this situation this week. It isn't some "sjws vs gamers" war thing for us, no matter how many people online might make it that for themselves. We weren't duped by some grifter and then went on to suddenly dump a long-time collaborator. We aren't trying to prove a point or appease a mob or show we're great. Whenever someone has praised me for Taking A Stand or whatever this week I just feel gross. None of this feels good. There isn't one good thing about this. I don't feel brave or honest. I just feel horrible. A real life friend and coworker did some really bad shit, years ago and now, and all of us in the blast radius are just heartbroken. We've got a right to be angry, to make decisions, and to grieve.

But that's the rest of the internet. Just about all of you we've been in touch with this week have been wonderful. And for that I can only say I'm beyond grateful. We've needed it.

So here are some questions and answers:

Did you fire Alec?

No. Infinite Fall isn't a company, it's a name we adopted for our team. There's no salary to cut. There's no Infinite Fall bank account, no Infinite Fall HQ. Our merch operation is already something that just Bethany and myself do, aside from sales of the soundtrack digitally and on vinyl. It's more like a band broke up or something.

Did you not-fire him over baseless allegations?

No, it was a combination of a lot of things from several parties and our experiences going back years. It sucked. You just saw some of it on twitter, or on here. I hope I've been clear enough about that.

Don't you know (whichever accuser) is a LIAR?

Well I guess you'll be happy to know this is more complex than any one person's accusation. At this point it's a much larger thing. It sucks. I hate this.

Does Alec get money from the game?

Yes, from game sales and soundtrack sales. That's all we can say for now. We'll update you when and if thing change. But we're not like unilaterally cutting off Alec's revenue share or something.

How can you work on NITW things just by yourselves?

If you want to get all legalese about it, I have since the start owned the NITW IP. Our work with Alec was for the game. When people email us wanting to buy the rights to a movie or tv show (which has happened!) it's Bethany and I that say no. When Tom Delonge's business partner gets in touch wanting to make NITW merch for Hot Topic (which totally happened!) it's Bethany and I who say no but still tell the story whenever we get a chance.

What did you each do on the game?

We've gotten this question a lot this week, which I understand. Alec was coder, composer, and co-designer. I co-wrote the story with Bethany, who was also our researcher. Her hometown experiences in rural Central PA were a big part of the story, along with mine in the 20 years I've lived in Western PA along the Rt 22 corridor from Altoona right on to Pittsburgh. From that stuff sprung a lot of the world of Possum Springs. Additionally, I did art, character design, area design, wrote just about all of the dialogue, and co-designed the game with Alec. I can't code though so all credit Alec for making this monster of a thing work. Em Halberstadt was sound designer. Jon Manning worked on our dialogue tool Yarn Spinner and did some other crucial work since. I am probably forgetting some people. It's been a long day.

Can you remove Alec's work from the game?

No! And we wouldn't if we could. Alec did amazing work, and we made something cool together. Whatever he did outside of the game, his work is his. We feel pretty strongly about that.

Can I get a refund due to all of this shit?

No, it's been 6 years, game's been out for 2.5 of those years.

What about the last backer rewards??

I'm finishing the book, it's cool. It's square! There's talk of a print version later? Really thinking about doing that, which would be exciting during any other week. Because of cutting ties with Alec we can't deliver the short backer game we were working on. This kills me. We were actually working with Albertine on that one too. Wren from our new studio as well, we were scheduled to get into concept work this week. Everyone is pretty depressed about that. That being said, we do have an epilogue in us, which is what the game was turning out to be. There's an excellent chance that will see the light of day in a different form.

Why can't you just get someone else to do Alec's part on the backer game?

Because it's Alec's too. Our design work together is basic to what these games are. And his music. We can't just hire some random person to fill that role. Nor do we want to.

What form will the epilogue take instead?

I don't know. We have some rad ideas. Like the book, they'd probably be exciting to me right now if not for this week. It'll be exciting again. Soon.

Are updates still going to happen?

Sure! At least until a lot of what's going on gets figured out and put to bed. What with that book and epilogue... thing... there's more to talk about.

How should I feel about Night In The Woods?

We can't tell you how to feel about it. Or about any of this. Night In The Woods's story, characters, ideas, and world came from a very personal place for Bethany and I, and a lot of what's in the game is pulled pretty directly from our lives, from ourselves, and from the people we know. And this has connected with thousands and thousands of people. That's a good thing. That's one of the best things, to be honest. And you helped that happen. You can be happy about that. I'm happy about that. What you experience when you experience art is yours. Nothing can take that away. It's not owned by us. You may not care about any of this, and that's fine. This may have ruined the whole thing for you. You may be able to separate out the elements that other people worked on and still feel a connection to those. Whatever it is, that's valid. The game still means the world to us. It was a personal thing we never thought anyone would care about, and yet they did. I'm sad that one of our collaborators turned out to be so abusive, but life isn't always what you want it to be. I'm still very proud of what we made, and I hope it continues to connect with people for a long time to come.

How did Alec do all of these things to multiple people over several years and it never went public?

Well, most things that happen in the world don't get written about on the internet. So there's that. But also the nature of abuse is often such that each person feels like they're the only ones receiving the abuse at any given time, and when the abuse stops happening to them they can easily believe it stopped altogether, because most people aren't sitting around comparing abuse notes. And often when multiple people ARE being abused in some fashion, there are extenuating circumstances keeping the abuser from being held accountable- finances, a job, a living situation, fear of retaliation or personal loss, etc. And abuse can often just catch people off guard or wear people down to the point where they don't fight back in the ways that a Logical Outside Party might see as common sense. This is why there are abuse counselors and people who specialize in this, because this shit is complicated in 1000 terrible ways and most abuse never gets made public in any setting. Often the abused will just feel ashamed. Or alone. Or helpless. Or straight up terrified and at risk. And a lot of times the abused will still really care about the abuser. Another thing that happens with a lot of abusers is they, consciously or not, farm out responsibility for their actions to someone else. So for example if an abuser threatens to kill themselves and places the responsibility for stopping that on someone else, a lot of people will do anything to help the abuser. It becomes your responsibility to fix the situation, your fault if it all goes wrong.

I have spent much of the past week fighting the urge that I am somehow, somehow, responsible for all of this.

Beyond that, often people will know about the abuse and cover for the abuser, for a variety of reasons both understandable and downright evil. Whole networks of abusers cover each other's asses. Sometimes people profit off of the abuse of others. There are any number of reasons why so much awful shit that people do to other people isn't visible until maybe someday it boils over and you suddenly find out that you and a dozen other people talk about the same person at therapy.

Are you depressed?

I am very depressed right now.

What happens now?

Things are still happening with this whole godawful situation. Regardless, Bethany and I will continue working on our NITW things. I'll be back here with updates as things happen. Mostly right now we're just really torn up. We're angry, we're sad, we're worried about basically all parties involved, we mostly just need a nap.

I'll be checking the comments here for the next few days but try to remember we're pretty rattled and raw right now.

Thank you for understanding, and for your support over the years. I'm going to be a dork and ask for your support now.

thanks.

<3,

-scott

PS- i feel like i should have ended this with some rousing call to combat abuse and stand up for the abused and give some really tips on all that but... geez... i just can't right now. we'll get there.

So let me get this straight. They for (quite some time) knew Alec had bad / absurd behaviors toward co-workers and women in general. He KNEW it was going on so why the hell didn't they fire him then??????

Oh wait they only fired him once it got out as public. This is 100% an attempt to save public image because they KNEW there would be a hate mob saying "hey why do you still have a rapist employed at your company??" This shit is sooo transparent.


Secondly ,I don't care what sins Alec committed in the past. He was actively seeking professional mental help and they even fucking acknowledged that he was making good progress. Zoe and this guy are responsible in the relapse of his recovery. As someone who inspires to be a mental health professional this breaks my heart. But at least the man saw himself in the mirror and actively tried to be a better person. How many people can say they have done the same thing?

 

[Darkroronoa]

I am not on the bottom left so as a white straight male i guess i am a literal nazi

 

[lifa-cobex]

"give her money"

 

[GamingKaiju]

So let me get this straight. They for (quite some time) knew Alec had bad / absurd behaviors toward co-workers and women in general. He KNEW it was going on so why the hell didn't they fire him then??????

Oh wait they only fired him once it got out as public. This is 100% an attempt to save public image because they KNEW there would be a hate mob saying "hey why do you still have a rapist employed at your company??" This shit is sooo transparent.


Secondly ,I don't care what sins Alec committed in the past. He was actively seeking professional mental help and they even fucking acknowledged that he was making good progress. Zoe and this guy are responsible in the relapse of his recovery. As someone who inspires to be a mental health professional this breaks my heart. But at least the man saw himself in the mirror and actively tried to be a better person. How many people can say they have done the same thing?

Yeh pretty much.

The guy knew he had issues and sought help and was actively trying to be a better person and even apologised to Zoe for his past behaviour. Everybody overlooked this and just jumped on the hate bandwagon, this whole episode had a massive affect on Alec and caused a sad ending. We all have failings as humans and no one should be subject to a internet hate mob. Zoe had no business airing this in public.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I love the apparent fact that woke bitches force themselves to read this forum, and this thread in particular. I want them to read it, to slog through every page of mockery, and impotently rage while we laugh. I want them to make an account here so we can laugh in their smug faces, but we all know they're far too cowardly to step outside of their hug box.

As a personal message to said woke bitches, since I know you're reading this, all you have to do to prove me wrong is take your balls out of your purse for the first time in your life, and post a rebuttal here. We all know you won't though.

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

Speaking of mob mentality. Era had an entire thread dedicated to attack and destroy Alec Holowka’s reputation, due to the sexual abuse allegations. It was under the gaming sub forum with thousands of angry comments. That was before the alleged suicide took place. Now the thread is gone like it never existed. So they either feel guilty for what happened to him and took the thread down or they just don’t want to receive any backlash due to the nasty comments. Also to the people equating Gaf to an Alt-Right leaning forum by the same logic you would call Era an Antifa gathering zone.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I was referring to the mean spirited posts. It just makes us look petty in my opinion, not that I haven't been guilty of the same thing before so I'm being unfairly hypocritical here. But I'm not trying to censor anyone, just voicing my opinion.

It's OK, I told her to suck %ick and I meant it. Sometimes I can get caustic. At this point none of those ppl deserve my respect nor does it prove a point they are trying to make. If you see it tht way thts cool but thts how I feel.

 

[Floyd]

This hit me hard and I don't even know the man. I will be buying a night in the woods to pay my respects.

 

[DragoonKain]

The way resetera disrespects its members is kinda fascinating. First they ban a ton of people in their zoe alec holowka thread for stupid and/or dubious resons (they often use bullshit like "dismissing concerns...." etc - who the fuck are they even to dictate what people should or shouldn't be concerned about!?), and then when they see the huge backlash they just lock the thread to cover everything up.

That's a big "fuck you" to the few sane posters up there, if you ask me.

Ironically that sounds like something they claim to hate so much. Fascism.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I found my post from the Political Compass 2018 thread. Wow, so hard to have views that are kind of balanced.... a bit of the left and right.

Political Compass Off-Topic 2018: I'll show you mine if you show me yours

Do we get points for almost hitting the bullseye? You already hit the 20, that is good enough for a start.

www.neogaf.com

 

[Gamernyc78]

Why doesn't she get a fucking life?

Imagine doing this shit and believing it's worth your time.

Meanwhile I'm a Puertorican, from NYC and am democratic/progressive. Yeah we Def Alt right up in here lol smfh. No we just don't agree with the lynch mobs, guilty until proven innocent and just because you have a pussy your word is law bs.

 

[GrayChild]

This hit me hard and I don't even know the man. I will be buying a night in the woods to pay my respects.

You will be directly supporting the guys who threw Alec under the bus when he was at his most vulnerable mental state. It's your choice, but there are definitely better ways to pay respect to him.

P.S.

Caved in and did the political compass thing:

Worse than Hitler confirmed.

 

[Pippelipeikko]

This hit me hard and I don't even know the man. I will be buying a night in the woods to pay my respects.

I had the same thought, apparently the other developers dropped him like a hot potato a few days ago. They were also engaging on twatter with people trying to get him cut from the game. So I decided not to bother, shame because it looks like a nice game.

 

[McRazzle]

I know Evilore told us to ignore Jennifer, but she has "clarified" her statement...





What minorities were "named" and "targeted" on neogaf?

There was Etika, or was that another forum?

 

[JimmyJones]

Absolutely disgusting. Zoe should be in prison.

 

[EviLore]

There was Etika, or was that another forum?

That was Resetera. We aren’t monsters.

 

[Helios]

@A Regular Guy @XVision84

Look what happened to Pramath.

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Also

 

[GamingKaiju]

I found my post from the Political Compass 2018 thread. Wow, so hard to have views that are kind of balanced.... a bit of the left and right.

Political Compass Off-Topic 2018: I'll show you mine if you show me yours

Do we get points for almost hitting the bullseye? You already hit the 20, that is good enough for a start.

www.neogaf.com

Hail Hydra!

 

[Fushitsusha]

This feels awfully familiar.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

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Holy fuck.

That's some serious drama going on. Tough times ahead for everyone involved.

 

[Darkroronoa]

I found my post from the Political Compass 2018 thread. Wow, so hard to have views that are kind of balanced.... a bit of the left and right.

Its kinda impossible and unrealistic to be center, political ideologies are very complex, even "left" and "right" its just a very vague label we put on people, in reality no one is really a true leftist or a right-ist.
You can be a very left leaning person in almost everything but also be very religious and very traditional in some ways.

Left and right doesnt really exist in the reality we live. Hitler's and stalin's politics would be like opposites in a graph like the test but there are more things common between them than the things that make them different.
Another example is people like the "leftists" on resetera. They like to believe they are "left" and progressive and that they are exactly the opposite of the right people, but in reality they use practices that usually you would expect far right movements to use, like restriction of free speech. They have very little to do with traditional left ideology and they are a mix of left with right or something (and that makes them so horrible usually).

 

[diablos991]

People getting nervous about being culpable in a manslaughter case.

Covering their tracks and laying low (moving discussions to other vectors) is the standard play here.

 

[Duallusion]

Bu.. bu.. lady on twitter said I'm alt-right, I'm so confused now.

 

[Darkroronoa]

Bu.. bu.. lady on twitter said I'm alt-right, I'm so confused now.

Just believe women, you cant possible judge yourself

 

[Ixiah]

Just believe women, you cant possible judge yourself

What if 2 Women make contradicting Statements ?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Bu.. bu.. lady on twitter said I'm alt-right, I'm so confused now.

It's Twitter.

The newly crowned court of choice for millennials from the late 2010s and into the 2020s and beyond.

Don't worry what anyone else says, just go with what random Twitter comments tell you.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

What if 2 Women make contradicting Statements ?

Go with the one who is the minority.

But if both are minorities, we need JordanN's sliding scale of hierarchy to determine a winner.

 

[DragoonKain]

Why does everyone who has a difference of opinion automatically mean they're alt-right? I am so tired of this shit! Hey Jennifer, if you're reading this, I AM NOT FUCKING ALT-RIGHT. I fucking hate Trump, and have voted democrat for every election I've participated in, so kiss my ass.

These people are fucking insane, and it drives me crazy that no amount of common sense seems to get through to them.

These people are starting to sound like Daenerys Targaryen

Spoiler: Finale

Jon: How do we know what is good?
Dany: Because I know what is good
Jon: What about them, what about the people who think they know what is good?
Dany in stern face: They don't get to choose...

"My name is Jennifer Scheurle and my morals and etiquette are better than yours. I know what is right and wrong, I know what is good and bad, and you don't."

The self-importance is oozing from that tweet.

 

[Punished Miku]

I'm a minority and I feel like GAF has targeted me constantly .... with likes and upvotes most times I post something.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Bu.. bu.. lady on twitter said I'm alt-right, I'm so confused now.

Yea, here's me apparently:

But unless you're the top left like what was posted before, you're alt-right, like concentration camps, and are a Nazi.

Anything right of the far left cult ideology, is “alt right.”

 

[DeepEnigma]

What if 2 Women make contradicting Statements ?

It will impact the space time continuum.

 

[GrayChild]

What if 2 Women make contradicting Statements ?

 

[Xaero Gravity]

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Also

I've talked to PT since, he sincerely regrets the post and is stepping back from the internet for a bit.

 

[EightBit Man]

Our fellow member sophnar0747 made a video about her very recently.

 

[Darkroronoa]

These people are starting to sound like Daenerys Targaryen

Spoiler: Finale

Jon: How do we know what is good?
Dany: Because I know what is good
Jon: What about them, what about the people who think they know what is good?
Dany in stern face: They don't get to choose...

"My name is Jennifer Scheurle and my morals and etiquette are better than yours. I know what is right and wrong, I know what is good and bad, and you don't."

The self-importance is oozing from that tweet.

Dany is the "modern left" lolz. GoT is so deep :'D

 

[tryDEATH]

I wonder with these public outings if it was actually worthy for such information to come out in the social media sphere first instead of a more in real life outing where the authority would be involved. I also know that the majority of victims don't report their abuse when it happens, but only when they are comfortable with it, but with these public outings it just feels like such a big jump from the initial inability to talk about/report it to letting the whole wide world know it, but not actually reporting it to the authorities to actually do something about it.

There just seems to be a disconnect that comes across as ulterior motive when people out other people with out actually getting the authorities involved.

 

[Komatsu]

I'm a minority and I feel like GAF has targeted me constantly .... with likes and upvotes most times I post something.

I'm Latino (hence a "minority" as well) and pretty liberal at that and besides the odd pile-up here and there, I've never felt unwelcome. Which is why seeing these boards called "alt-right" was so jarring.

I do agree with Xaero Gravity that some posts were rather mean-spirited. Like, we can thrash the person's worldview without commenting on their appearance or spamming pictures.

I don't know anything about Holowka but as someone who truly enjoyed NitW, it was really disappointing to see the other designers throw him under the bus. I find near impossible to believe that, after working with the man for half a decade, they did not know who he was or his relationship history. Either they abetted a "monster" (doubtful) or there's more to this than meets the eye.

 

[llien]

In the political barometer thread, one thing to note about left leaning users is that most are also libertarian.

Maybe she's @Nobody_Important?

Oh, come on. He messes in threads where people are overwhelmingly on the opposite side, and deserves some respect.

 

[hariseldon]

What if 2 Women make contradicting Statements ?

Then you're wrong whichever choice you make.

 

[Katsura]

What if 2 Women make contradicting Statements ?

Then you go with the one who has most oppression points

 

[DragoonKain]

Account nuked



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That place is imploding. Someone mentioned it earlier, but it's definitely untenable. No way that much insanity, that much toxicity, that much negativity, that much anger, and that many people walking on egg shells while thousands are waiting for something to attack, can sustain itself.

 

[Spukc]

Whelp so i have been visiting neonazigaf all along

Loonies
You are a nazi
And you
And you
Everyone is a nazi

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I don't know anything about Holowka but as someone who truly enjoyed NitW, it was really disappointing to see the other designers throw him under the bus. I find near impossible to believe that, after working with the man for half a decade, they did not know who he was or his relationship history. Either they abetted a "monster" (doubtful) or there's more to this than meets the eye.

That's how the game industry works. It's probably the only one where fellow industry people will trash each other so frequently.

The only other one that dabbles in this is pro sports where players or owners can get heated and they release statements to sports reporters ot do tweets saying they are pissed at other teammates, the coach, some opposing player is an ass etc..... But it doesn't happen that often. And half the time, it happens when it involves contracts or in the last game a few players got into a fight, so they continue it on Twitter ragging on each other.

Gaming seems like a daily or weekly contest between fellow game makers and so-called game journalists and Twitter asses commenting and piling it on at a personal level, or bringing up SJW issues into the mix.

While sports reporters will rag on players playing badly, they typically don't get into insulting players on a personal level.

And you basically never see this in any other industry. Even competing companies trying to grab the biggest pie slice of the market don't get into pissing matches with other employees, nor do you see employees (at let's say a bank) getting on twitter and ragging other employees or people at another bank.

Even though you are competitors, there's still a feeling of being peers and being part of the same industry in hopes the whole industry does well. I hope the company I work at does great and of course I want us to growth more than competitors, but I don't want an explosion at their head office, and then rag on their employees who are depressed.

Gaming is a weird culture where some people would be happy on Twitter the other company's building blew up.

 

[Cosmogony]

What if 2 Women make contradicting Statements ?

Then the hierarchy of who's more oppressed kicks in. Black women are to be believed over white women and gay black women over straight black women. Of course, there are disabled gay black women, who rule them all, that is, up until the midget morbidly-obese disabled gay black trans-woman walks into that room.



Am I doing this right?

 

[MacReady13]

Sorry I’m REALLY late to all this (even though it’s a few days old) and there is no way I have time to sift through 30-odd pages in here, but to summarize, Alec apparently abused Zoe, he was not mentally stable, and was getting help. He apologized to Zoe for his past behavior but that wasn’t enough so, for brownie points, she calls him out on twitter just to say she can be a victim as well... is that about right or am I WAY off on this whole thing?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Then the hierarchy of who's more oppressed kicks in. Black women are to be believed over white women and gay black women over straight black women. Of course, there are disabled gay black women, who rule them all, that is, up until the midget morbidly-obese disabled gay black trans-woman walks into that room.

Am I doing this right?

You forgot about levels of money, what religion, and whichever person has a shittier job.

 

[The Scrivener]

Wow, what a nutjob that Jennifer is. How do they spin such a web of paranoia?