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[BennyBlanco]

Remember when videogames companies were videogames companies?

Remember when entertainment companies were entertainment companies?

I'd like to know who the people are responsible for all this propoganda and what their end-goal is.

That’s my question. What’s the endgame here? They’re saying other media has taken strides in this direction and videogames are stuck in the past. So they’re saying they just witnessed flop after flop from Disney after the market rejected their hamfisted pandering, and want to follow them? Maybe it’s actually Disney mandating all this for their IP. Wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[rofif]

Nadine would body all of you incels

She is still more fuckable than MJ2 lol

 

[tommib]

That’s my question. What’s the endgame here? They’re saying other media has taken strides in this direction and videogames are stuck in the past. So they’re saying they just witnessed flop after flop from Disney after the market rejected their hamfisted pandering, and want to follow them? Maybe it’s actually Disney mandating all this for their IP. Wouldn’t surprise me.

Of course it’s Disney. They even used the Ariel example as a pseudo self-own.

 

[Kilau]

I don't agree with TLOU and GOW at all. Honestly people who have a problem with TLOU2 are more than likely bigots, full stop.

Just here for the sandwich.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

There's a character name Lev who is transgender. There was quite a bit of controversy surrounding him because Naughty Dog apparently, "deadnamed" him at some point. I'm surprised you haven't seen him because he's a major character in Abby's story.

The game is very much grounded in reality. In a world where people scrounge up scraps to survive and delve in ruins to find food, ain't no one got enough time, money, and supplements to get buff. If it were Fallout which has a whacky post-apocalyptic vibes with crazy shit, I wouldn't bat an eye. But in a game that's all about survival and gathering resources to stay alive, this is just dumb. It screams, "see, women can be strong too!" like they did with Nadine Ross kicking the Drake brothers' asses but this worked a lot better because Uncharted is a lot more over-the-top than TLOU.

Abby's muscles didn't help in her sex scene. She still got dominated and then plowed up her ass.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Of course it’s Disney. They even used the Ariel example as pseudo self-own.

SSM also used Sweet Baby Inc for Ragnarok. Didn’t play the game so I don’t know how that manifested but I wouldn’t be surprised if there are slides like this at every AAA western dev now.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

There's a character name Lev who is transgender. There was quite a bit of controversy surrounding him because Naughty Dog apparently, "deadnamed" him at some point. I'm surprised you haven't seen him because he's a major character in Abby's story.

The game is very much grounded in reality. In a world where people scrounge up scraps to survive and delve in ruins to find food, ain't no one got enough time, money, and supplements to get buff. If it were Fallout which has a whacky post-apocalyptic vibes with crazy shit, I wouldn't bat an eye. But in a game that's all about survival and gathering resources to stay alive, this is just dumb. It screams, "see, women can be strong too!" like they did with Nadine Ross kicking the Drake brothers' asses but this worked a lot better because Uncharted is a lot more over-the-top than TLOU.

We see well built functional communities in Part 2 with kids enjoying video games. I think they have time to get bulk

 

[Chuck Berry]

Yeah but Nadine Ross is a black woman voiced by a white actress

 

[Banjo64]

Well I knew you were happy, you've been *laugh emoji* all convo so it would be really really awkward if it was just nervous laughing.

You are talking about masculinity but crying over emojis.

 

[SJRB]

Losing braincells by the minute while reading through that powerpoint presentation.

Insomniac, what the fuck are you doing. Imagine being told how to make your videogame by people calling themselves "LGBTQ Expert" and "Afro-Latinx expert", lmao.

 

[Flutta]

Nadine would body all of you incels

Nadine? The one that bodied poor Nate?

 

[Ma-Yuan]

They are deep down the rabbit hole i see

 

[shamoomoo]

To people clamoring that ND/tlou2 is woke. It's not that. These are the staples I would consider for woke game:
-Characters exist JUST TO BE lgbtq+. No other traits are more important
-Old characters are replaced by those characters
-No traditional male/female roles allowed. At least not purely or if anything straight Man = bad
-Forced diversity
-usually game/character is woke where it absolutely doesn't matter and we don't need to know sexuality or political stances.
-Sweet baby inc - leading in woke writing. Slowly but surely manipulating the population to the point crap like Angrboda or playable atreus is acceptable. Nobody want to spend 2 hours with angrboda or play as atreus.... in gow game.

Some examples
-Saga is mild woke character. She would exist in the story no matter if she is white or black. Although we al know why she is black
-Female Ratchet only exists to have female in there. She has no purpose.
-Pregnant woman on battlefield in TLOU2? not woke. It's an apocalypse and their leader is an idiot. Could be bad writing
-Abby with huge gains in tlou2? not woke. there is a whole reason behind it. There are normal women too
-Trans kid in tlou2? Sure maybe but he serves purpose to show how religious that gang is which cast him away. Could be in any story. Seems believable.

No. From what I remember of the game, folks in her community did question why is fighting despite being pregnant. Also, I've just seen a segment about gangs in a Latin American country having influence on the politics there and the interviewer was talking to a female assassin/hit woman and the lady was pregnant and stated she wanted to killing people before her child was born.

 

[MALpractice311]

This is just the beginning

I actually just started SM2 last night and the MJ face change is fucking jarring. They give you an option to watch a short clip catching you up on the events of SM1 and SM:MM and you see MJ several times prominently. Then within 30 minutes or so, you see her in SM2 and it's clearly not the same person. Chin, jaw, nose, eyes. Totally different face. It's so fucking obvious they went from the actress/model in the first game to that staff writer. They didn't even try to hide it.

 

[balls of snow]

Nothing wrong with diversity. Hell that African inspired game Tales of Kenzera from the ac Origins dude is on my radar because its actually made by someone who lives in that culture. Ac Mirage was fantastic as well in how they recreate the islamic golden age in Baghdad. Even indie games like Cloudpunk and Heavens Vault showcase women in hijab actually not being oppressed despite what the western world thinks. I say these games are as memorable because of its diverse leads/setting.

Its just the American way of doing diversity that irritates me. The part where the dude says the villain can only be bad as long as its not because of his culture. I cant.

 

[Bry0]

Okay I changed my mind, I don’t think I want another resistance. Let’s just leave it where it ended.

 

[Ronin_7]

Inclusivity and accessibility checks in Word set on as standard. IMO this is a very real long-term threat to artistic expression.

More lolsome are the colour choices available for Word: light, dark, system, and transflag.

DAMN, gotta try this

 

[Gaiff]

We see well built functional communities in Part 2 with kids enjoying video games. I think they have time to get bulk

Of course, everyone knows playing video games requires as much dedication and crucial resources as training. That's why every Gaf poster is buff and in top physical condition.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Of course, everyone knows playing video games requires as much dedication and crucial resources as training. That's why every Gaf poster is buff and in top physical condition.

You don't need to train like an olympian to develop some bulk dude. Come the fuck on

 

[Senua]

I actually just started SM2 last night and the MJ face change is fucking jarring. They give you an option to watch a short clip catching you up on the events of SM1 and SM:MM and you see MJ several times prominently. Then within 30 minutes or so, you see her in SM2 and it's clearly not the same person. Chin, jaw, nose, eyes. Totally different face. It's so fucking obvious they went from the actress/model in the first game to that staff writer. They didn't even try to hide it.

The whole make her ugly to be relatable doesn't make sense either lol

 

[Badlucktroll]

 

[ElCasual]

 

[StreetsofBeige]

SSM also used Sweet Baby Inc for Ragnarok. Didn’t play the game so I don’t know how that manifested but I wouldn’t be surprised if there are slides like this at every AAA western dev now.

Crazy.

I can understand a game studio with no clue about making a modern setting SP game needing some multicultural ideas to maximize revenue among the masses. But when SSM needs Sweet Baby to help a God of War story, good god.

A game franchise with Kratos killing everything that moves, rips heads off gods, and a QTE sex scenes where mashing the buttons rocks the bed. And Sony turns to Sweet Baby for diversity and father figure advice. LOL.

 

[Nickolaidas]

I saw the video and I don't see a problem?

That explains a lot.

If you are not happy about this stuff, the best thing you can do is buy their games used if you still want to play them. I'll catch this game used on Ebay for $40 or less next year.

Fuck them. Not giving them a single cent, a single second of my time anymore. Japan and China it is, from now on. I'm done with those clowns.

Sony are a joke of a company. Moving PlayStation HQ to California in 2016 began the death spiral of the company. Believe me when I say this isn’t warring, and that the exact same applies to Microsoft. Western media has entered a dark age. I’m sure some purple heads will be along to tell me that they are making money, and that’s great. But what does the legacy of these games look like in 20 years time? Will they be as revered as games like Crash and Spyro? No, they are forgettable slop. Junk food.

In comparison, Japanese manga and video games are currently in a golden age. It’s no coincidence that as a nation they aren’t influenced by this disease of the mind.

Preach!

 

[tommib]

You don't need to train like an olympian to develop some bulk dude. Come the fuck on

50 push ups a day and my pecs are looking glorious.

 

[Deerock71]

 

[Mister Wolf]

Fuck them. Not giving them a single cent, a single second of my time anymore. Japan and China it is, from now on. I'm done with those clowns.

Buying a used copy from a reseller ensures that the publisher/developer do not see a single cent.

 

[JimmyRustler]

I just laughed my ass off. How can you not be non white and non straight, watch this and not cringe yourself to sleep.

Hilarious. Glad I didn’t buy Spiderman 2. Read that ESG and stuff will become much more important in Europe as well in the coming years. Guess it’ll soon be down to Japan only to deliver good, no propaganda software. We went full circle.

 

[Gaiff]

You don't need to train like an olympian to develop some bulk dude. Come the fuck on

But a woman would need to train a whole fucking lot to reach Abby's physique. She won't get there with a couple of push-ups a day. She would need to train a lot and eat a lot and very well, things that aren't exactly easy to achieve in a post-apocalyptic world like this.

What are you even arguing? That it's believable in the world they live in? It fucking isn't.

 

[Thirty7ven]

The whole make her ugly to be relatable doesn't make sense either lol

Yes that’s totally your typical Mcdonalds cashier. Absolutely.

 

[DeepEnigma]

50 push ups a day and my pecs are looking glorious.

The Jim Ryan routine,

 

[JimmyRustler]

The whole make her ugly to be relatable doesn't make sense either lol

I never understood why women are supposedly so offended by good looking characters.

 

[rofif]

No. From what I remember of the game, folks in her community did question why is fighting despite being pregnant. Also, I've just seen a segment about gangs in a Latin American country having influence on the politics there and the interviewer was talking to a female assassin/hit woman and the lady was pregnant and stated she wanted to killing people before her child was born.

interesting. Thanks for the info

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

All I can think about reading this thread is that one day soon the only games chuds will have left are weeb shit, and that's hilarious.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

But a woman would need to train a whole fucking lot to reach Abby's physique. She won't get there with a couple of push-ups a day. She would need to train a lot and eat a lot and very well, things that aren't exactly easy to achieve in a post-apocalyptic world like this.

What are you even arguing? That it's believable in the world they live in? It fucking isn't.

I don't give a fuck about Abby's build frankly. My issue is how it's one cherry pick out of a whole other bunch of shit that doesn't make sense in a 'grounded reality' and it's fucking stupid how much you lot focus on it

 

[Woggleman]

People make a big deal about the pregnant woman in TLOU2 but they had no intention of going into combat while they were moving her. They were ambushed unexpectedly and things went downhill from there. She was a trained medic and she was simply riding with them.

 

[shamoomoo]

Couldn’t care less if that’s what you think to be honest.

You get what you deserve so if you’re one of those who’s happy having this drivel spoon fed in to your slack mouth by all means carry on. Personally I’ll continue to seek out alternate media instead.

So a save space and representation?

 

[rofif]

The whole make her ugly to be relatable doesn't make sense either lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

I never understood why ugly women and fat men in dresses not even trying to look the part are supposedly so offended by good looking characters.

Now it's more clear.

 

[crazyjah2003]

The grift is strong. Got to respect the hustle. They've created a problem and - having absolutely no talent - created a world they can sell consultancy to. What a miserable existence.

People who have no creativity but want to feel they do, by bastardising everything else with over the top, obvious 'progressive suggestions' to other people's ip.

Oh lord; glad somebody shared my intuition about the end game... Just sneaky/clumsy way to enter the job market...

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Not surprising to see but disappointing nonetheless. Insomniac used to be one of my favorite devs too.

Theyve (like neil wokemans ND) have embraced this garbage and dare i say racist culture (RIP male white men), and have become a boring, unoriginal super hero game dev.

Fuck right off Insomniac

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Buying something used from a reseller ensures they do not see a single cent.

Or just buy digital when it hits the bargain bin for $9.99 or $19.99.

Game companies like to brag about digital sales ratios and mtx revenue in earning reports. And why not? Big sales and profits and they cut out Gamestop and Amazon. And they know console gamers will act like PC gamers who have gone digital for a lot longer.... extra sales from backlogging. I bet tons of you console gamers (me included) have bought console games digitally and never even bothered playing it yet. That's extra sales for nothing. And I bet during the disc/cartridge days you played everything.

With the way game budgets have skyrocketed lately, best way to punish them is dont buy it, or only buy when dirt cheap. Playing SP narrative games later makes no difference since you arent missing out on MP modes or online sports leagues. In fact, the longer you wait the better as it'll be patched up and may even include free DLC.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Buying a used copy from a reseller ensures that the publisher/developer do not see a single cent.

But I *am* giving them my time playing their crap. So no.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I liked gaming way better when it was just for the nerd bros and nobody gave a shit.

 

[MiguelItUp]

I've personally never understood studios going this route at all. Be it for the content of their projects, or for the employment of their office. I can certainly understand wanting to "get things right" when working on projects that contain different ethnicities and cultures. It's certainly important. But, doing such a thing shouldn't be this absolutely insane, unnatural, and costly process. But, it is the standard for large studios. They just look for more things to throw money at. Definitely makes things feel more unnatural or forced IMO.

I will always appreciate when all things come from a natural and honest place. Rather than something that feels pander-y or forced. It just really hinders whatever product it touches in the end IMO.

 

[BlackTron]

Nice to know Insomniac will hire me as a consultant if I buy a dress and say I'm an expert. Good to have back up plans

 

[Aenima]

Welcome to murica 2023. This is not a Insomniac thing, this is not a Playstation thing, this is not a videogame thing. This is how America has treating all kinds of entertainment in the last few years. Its a bunch of social justice checkboxes to remove the dominant straight white male roles in name of diversity.

Insomniac is just one of the worst when it comes to force real life social justice politics into they games.

 

[Gaiff]

I don't give a fuck about Abby's build frankly. My issue is how it's one cherry pick out of a whole other bunch of shit that doesn't make sense in a 'grounded reality' and it's fucking stupid how much you lot focus on it

It's picked out because it's relevant to the thread? At least in Uncharted, you have Nathan Drake without an ounce of military training mowing down hundreds of highly trained mercenaries. That Nadine Ross beats his ass isn't any crazier than the absolutely insane feats he performs. But in TLOU where they strive to make things realistic, they hit us with bullshit like that.

Point is, Naughty Dog isn't any less "woke" than Insomniac. Whether it's a problem or not or bothers you is a whole other story.

 

[AJUMP23]

Do you guys play and watch stuff and think to yourself how am I represented in this media. I don’t know if I have done that. I have asked what can I Learn or how do I relate do I agree with the message is there something to take from it. But I don’t know that I have ever cared if I am represented.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Or just buy digital when it hits the bargain bin for $9.99 or $19.99.

Game companies like to brag about digital sales ratios and mtx revenue in earning reports. And why not? Big sales and profits and they cut out Gamestop and Amazon. And they know console gamers will act like PC gamers who have gone digital for a lot longer.... extra sales from backlogging. I bet tons of you console gamers (me included) have bought console games digitally and never even bothered playing it yet. That's extra sales for nothing. And I bet during the disc/cartridge days you played everything.

With the way game budgets have skyrocketed lately, best way to punish them is dont buy it, or only buy when dirt cheap.

No. That money will go to Sony/Insomniac. Buying a used copy from some person off Ebay means the money goes only to that person. Game companies do not like us being able to buy used copies for this very reason. Remember Microsoft's attempt with the Xbox One launch to lock games to the system it was initially activated on?