‘Nintendo is losing their identity’: Shuhei Yoshida says Switch 2’s focus on power is what other companies would do

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what the dont care bout no gimmicks am a portables player annnnd want switch 2 makes steam deck looks like 3DS


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crazyriddler said:
Which were released 1.5 years later at $599 for the base model of both (with the Z1 being used, which barely gets more performance than Steam Deck). The Z1 extreme model goes for $699 in both cases.
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And can run all PC games, programs and consoles games up to the PS3/X360/Switch.

Mozza said:
Nobody outside of core gamers knows about these systems though.
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Makes zero difference for those who knows about them.
 
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Who gives a rats arse what some fucking ex-Sony prick thinks about Nintendo hardware.

Its almost a shame though that they don't go down the powerful hardware route as I have absolutely zero doubt Nintendo would annihilate Sony if they went head to head.
 
StueyDuck said:
I mean, if you spend more than 10 seconds on what he's saying and take out the console warrior thoughts. He's not really wrong. NS2 is a highly iterative product that is essentially "Switch 1 but more POWAAAAH", which Nintendo hasn't really done since the NES -> SNES.

Even the WiiU, while a flop, was trying to sell the idea of dual-screen gaming and tried to innovate even though it mostly was a failure. The NS2 is the absolute safest product they could have made.
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I'm not sure what else they could have done though. The ability to switch between handheld and docked mode makes it fly off shelves. It is incredibly appealing for parents to buy for their kids. They would have been stupid to try something gimmicky for the sake of it.

Not every Nintendo console has to be a gimmick either. Before the Wii there was nothing unique about their approach. The software should always come first.
 
I wish more handhelds ha the same stick layout as the Wii U/Steam Deck, it's more relaxing to hold compared to the asymmetrical sticks, or symmetrical sticks at the bottom, making it difficult to handle with manly hands.

I find it hard to aim in shooters when the right stick is so low.
 
rodrigolfp said:
Deck is older, cheaper with much cheaper games and has all the freedom of PC.
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The 256 model was more expensive at launch than the switch 2, with a 60hz screen at 800p, without HDR or VRR and with backlight bleed and horrible color representation, also with noisy fans and battery that lasted less than 2h with AAA.

rodrigolfp said:
And can run all PC games, programs and consoles games up to the PS3/X360/Switch.
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Yeah, it's the point of open platforms vs consoles, so what?
 
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StueyDuck said:
I mean, if you spend more than 10 seconds on what he's saying and take out the console warrior thoughts. He's not really wrong. NS2 is a highly iterative product that is essentially "Switch 1 but more POWAAAAH", which Nintendo hasn't really done since the NES -> SNES.

Even the WiiU, while a flop, was trying to sell the idea of dual-screen gaming and tried to innovate even though it mostly was a failure. The NS2 is the absolute safest product they could have made.
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I'd say the GBA, Gamecube and 3DS didn't have much innovation aside from better visuals.
 
crazyriddler said:
Which were released 1.5 years later at $599 for the base model of both (with the Z1 being used, which barely gets more performance than Steam Deck). The Z1 extreme model goes for $699 in both cases.
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Z1 Extreme is factually much more powerful than Steam Deck which is why I brought it up. More expensive, yes, but they should at least be part of the conversation

Mozza said:
It's no different than Pony fans stating Switch games look like PS1 titles.
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Agreed. Why repeat stupid takes then?

Mozza said:
Nobody outside of core gamers knows about these systems though.
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That's fine, but we can acknowledge that they exist in saying there are more powerful options than Steam Deck.
 
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Topher said:
Z1 Extreme is factually much more powerful than Steam Deck which is why I brought it up. More expensive, yes, but they should at least be part of the conversation



Agreed. Why repeat stupid takes then?



That's fine, but we can acknowledge that they exist in saying there are more powerful options than Steam Deck.
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You have multiple handheld pc type devices but they are extremely niche. The Steam Deck while still pretty niche has sold around 4 million consoles. So is pretty much the only competition Nintendo has. So it will be compared to the Switch 2..... Just like the original Switch.
 
Buggy Loop said:
It's a good thing they didn't try to derp on a completely different idea. They struck gold with the idea, just iterate
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Pretty much agree here. I like that they brought over the mouse idea with joycons (from a conceptual standpoint) from Lenovo, but the rest of it really didn't need a massive change. The one thing I really wanted was more power for docked mode. Bigger screen is nice as well.

Mozza said:
You have multiple handheld pc type devices but they are extremely niche. The Steam Deck while still pretty niche has sold around 4 million consoles. So is pretty much the only competition Nintendo has. So it will be compared to the Switch 2..... Just like the original Switch.
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Who cares if they are niche? Compared to Switch, Steam Deck is also niche. If I'm going to look for the most powerful handheld to play games like Cyberpunk 2077 then I'm going to look for the most powerful handhelds on the market.
 
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Switch 2 is for mainstream gamers. Switch sold 150 million units.

Steam Deck is niche and for hardcore gamers. Steam Deck sold 4 million units.

They are two totally different markets.

By the way, what's going on with the console wars and console dick size comparisons here? Just buy whatever you want and play whatever you want. As gamers we're blessed with options. Fighting over which company is "best" or whichever processor had the biggest dick?

How old are you? Get a life. Play a game.
 
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Topher said:
Ah....my bad. Do they even still sell the base Rog Ally? I see the Z1 Extreme for $650 at Best Buy for both Rog and Legion Go (on sale), but no Z1.
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I'm not sure if it's still being sold TBH. I looked up the launch prices and the ROG Ally was released in two models in 2023, one with the Z1 for $599 and one with the extreme version for $699. I thought it was fairer to compare it to the former.
 
crazyriddler said:
I'm not sure if it's still being sold TBH. I looked up the launch prices and the ROG Ally was released in two models in 2023, one with the Z1 for $599 and one with the extreme version for $699. I thought it was fairer to compare it to the former.
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Switch is going to win on price no matter what. There is also the Z2 Extreme coming out around the same time as Switch 2, I believe. That will be an interesting comparison.
 
Shaki12345 said:
Switch 2 is for mainstream gamers. Switch sold 150 million units.

Steam Deck is niche and for hardcore gamers. Steam Deck sold 4 million units.

They are two totally different markets.

By the way, what's going on with the console wars and console dick size comparisons here? Just buy whatever you want and play whatever you want. As gamers we're blessed with options. Fighting over which company is "best" or whichever processor had the biggest dick?

How old are you? Get a life. Play a game.
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I think he might be on the line of SW2 sporting zero innovations coming from the first one, and pretty much only making it bigger and more powerful.
 
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crazyriddler said:
The 256 model was more expensive at launch than the switch 2, with a 60hz screen at 800p, without HDR or VRR and with backlight bleed and horrible color representation, also with noisy fans and battery that lasted less than 2h with AAA.


Yeah, it's the point of open platforms vs consoles, so what?
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My 64GB (upgraded to 1TB) was cheaper. 🤷‍♂️

So what is that you get what you pay for. In the case of handheld PCs especially the Deck is that is cheap for a "insane" gaming machine.
 
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Oh, the salt is good in this thread. Y'all know better than Yoshida. Annnd...ACTION!

But...the built-in mouse on the super joycons does disprove his theory of Nintendo's willingness to experiment with their hardware.

Shuhei sees trouble on the horizon.
 
Now that's very dramatic lol. I bet he wanted Nintendo to do something completely different and risk a massive flop.
 
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When a company comes up with a new way to interact with the technology, it goes one of two ways: If people like it and it sells, people call it "innovative". If it flops, it gets labeled a "gimmick".

3DS was innovative. Wii was innovative. WiiU was a gimmick. Switch was innovative.

The Switch is Nintendo's most successful console. They should stop fucking around and stick with what people want. Just focus on bumping the power to offer a better experience than the old one.

I think what he's missing is the Switch is their identity now.
 
Nintendo has iterated on their hardware forever.

NES > SNES
Gameboy > Gameboy Color
N64 > Gamecube
Wii > Wii U
DS > 3DS
Switch > Switch 2

They don't always need to reinvent the wheel, and when it's time for that, they will do it. When that inevitably happens, I hope it's a new pillar device and they don't abandon hybrid hardware entirely.
 
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ValiantInstance said:
I'm not sure what else they could have done though. The ability to switch between handheld and docked mode makes it fly off shelves. It is incredibly appealing for parents to buy for their kids. They would have been stupid to try something gimmicky for the sake of it.

Not every Nintendo console has to be a gimmick either. Before the Wii there was nothing unique about their approach. The software should always come first.
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gimmick doesn't mean innovation, and all things considered, nintendo has always tried to innovate since Snes, even with their handhelds.

and of course we couldnt know what else they would do, because we aren't RnD at nintendo. No one expected the Wii after the gamecube.

Switch 2 is easily the safest product they have made in a long time with little to no innovations.
 
Woopah said:
I'd say the GBA, Gamecube and 3DS didn't have much innovation aside from better visuals.
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I mean.. they literally went from 1 screen to 2, one with stylus touch interface, gyro sensors and then on top of that introduced glassesless stereoscopic 3d.

The switch 1 to switch 2 is , a switch, its a bit bigger, the chips are a bit better, and you can use the one controller as a kind of half baked mouse. (instead of just allowing people to just simply plug in a usb mouse)
 
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I think it is Nintendo saying we sold 150 million of these lets do a part two. NES/SNES GB/GBC DS/3DS This is not new. And normally the next piece sells less.
 
And he's right, Nintendo has always innovated with every console it has released, Wiimote, WiiU gamepad, hybrid Switch concept, etc... NS2 is just the same as Switch but more powerful.
 
While NS2 isn't some bananas crazy powerhouse I think it's good that Nintendo went this route instead of doing some unnecessary stuff. The NES had SNES, N64 had GC, Wii had Wii U and now Switch has Switch 2. I think this will be a great gen where Nintendo keeps going strong. I just hope they focus more on shortburst portable games so that I have something to play on short commutes too.
 
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StueyDuck said:
I mean.. they literally went from 1 screen to 2 and then on top of that introduced glassesless stereoscopic 3d.

The switch 1 to switch 2 is , a switch, its a bit bigger, the chips are a bit better, and you can use the one controller as a kind of half baked mouse. (instead of just allowing people to just simply plug in a usb mouse)
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The DS already had 2 screens. The 3DS added glassesless 3D to enhance the visuals but it was basically just a more powerful DS.

The Switch 2 is just a more powerful Switch but with dual mouse controls and an in built mic.

I think they are a similar type of upgrade.
 
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