ItWasMeantToBe19
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He was missing wide open jumpers and layups.
It was just random bad shooting luck after absurd shooting luck against the Spurs.
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2012 NBA Preseason |OT| The Rich Get Richer, The Poor Get Rasheed Wallace
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He was missing wide open jumpers and layups.
It was just random bad shooting luck after absurd shooting luck against the Spurs.
iamshadowlark
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I don't see what the point is of judging a player soley against elite defenses.
Harden was just on sports radio. Some things:
-Heard news while he was at dinner. Presti called him and dropped the bomb. Was in disbelief at first
-Said Thunder did give him a timeline to make a decision, but he needed more time than what they were giving him (1hr?) as this was the biggest decision of his life. They obviously pulled the trigger while he was still deciding.
-More than reay to start. Said he's done it his entire life. 6th man role was an adjustment to him and he will adjust back to being a starter.
-Olympics gave him confidence
-Excited to be playing in the system as they are planning to play a very fast, up tempo offense.
-Says he's confident in his leadership abilities. Mentioned he was one of the main vocal leaders on the Thunder. Will obviously take a second to get adjusted to new teammates.
Sounded pretty confident and excited though about his role now as a starter. Guess that's what he's supposed to say tho.
They will have enough space this off season to sign another max player this off season too...or over pay as Morey likes to do.
-Heard news while he was at dinner. Presti called him and dropped the bomb. Was in disbelief at first
-Said Thunder did give him a timeline to make a decision, but he needed more time than what they were giving him (1hr?) as this was the biggest decision of his life. They obviously pulled the trigger while he was still deciding.
-More than reay to start. Said he's done it his entire life. 6th man role was an adjustment to him and he will adjust back to being a starter.
-Olympics gave him confidence
-Excited to be playing in the system as they are planning to play a very fast, up tempo offense.
-Says he's confident in his leadership abilities. Mentioned he was one of the main vocal leaders on the Thunder. Will obviously take a second to get adjusted to new teammates.
Sounded pretty confident and excited though about his role now as a starter. Guess that's what he's supposed to say tho.
They will have enough space this off season to sign another max player this off season too...or over pay as Morey likes to do.
Knux-Future
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I think we have to see how Harden does as the man before we make conclusions to who he is...
Kinda like seeing what Bynum does without Kobe...
Except without the shitty knees.
Kinda like seeing what Bynum does without Kobe...
Except without the shitty knees.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Who are the even the big free agents this summer? Josh Smith?
CP3, Dwight (not that they're going anywhere)
Boombloxer
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Hard to believe that a few months ago, LA was thinking about their next move, Allen was still in Boston, and everyone wondered who was going to beat the Heat or Thunder.
LA won this offseason by a mile. Heat were a close second. Collision course.
And CP3 might, depending on how the Clips do.
LA won this offseason by a mile. Heat were a close second. Collision course.
And CP3 might, depending on how the Clips do.
Future PhaZe
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Lin
Harden
Parsons
Josh Smith
Asik
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Told you guys Morey had a plan! Yall aint ready!
Harden
Parsons
Josh Smith
Asik
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Told you guys Morey had a plan! Yall aint ready!
I'd take it
He definitely seemed rattled in the finals. He missed a lot of open jumpers and even some lay ups so he never really got going / didn't have confidence in his game.
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Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
That's a pretty good team.
Future PhaZe
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Man some smart tanking team is going to get Bazz and Wiggins one after the other.
It's probably between the Cats and Magic.
Hell of a way to rebuild.
It's probably between the Cats and Magic.
Hell of a way to rebuild.
He never attempted it because he's more effective at range or driving to the basket. I always cringed when he went iso and took a fadeaway jumper inside the three point line.
It'll be interesting to see how he integrates with Lin. I just don't see him being as efficient in his new role, although he has the ability to improve over time.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a perennial all-star after Kobe retires, though. The SG position is so weak right now.
theignoramus
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yeah he was shook, because the other team took him out of the game. when elite players perform at a substandard level for a game or two, you can say its luck, when they do it for an entire series, in NBA Finals no less, it aint random bad luck.
This. It never looked like he was comfortable doing it.
Red Blaster
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We getting a new thread for the regular season?
shira
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C'mon the raps need their hometown boy to have that Lebron storyline. Cola will trade the entire roster and the next decade of staggered frdp to move up one spot
iamshadowlark
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It was his first finals appearance, in his third year playing. What are you even going on about?
KingGondo said:
Well yeah, he has good shot selection.
He can also create shots, yes even in the midrange.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYEcMCVG6DA
I really don't think he's getting a fair shake honestly.
We'll see how he does when the entire opposing team's defense is organized to stop him.
I'm not doubting James, I'm honestly curious to see how he'll do as the #1 option.
If I'm a Rox fan, I'm more worried about his mindset going into the season. I think he's still a bit shellshocked.
I'm not doubting James, I'm honestly curious to see how he'll do as the #1 option.
If I'm a Rox fan, I'm more worried about his mindset going into the season. I think he's still a bit shellshocked.
Lin will calm him down.
I think getting Harden helps Lin tremendously. Harden is great at handling the ball and I think we'll see a more efficient Lin if him and Harden alternate playing off the other.
Boombloxer
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He is--most of the concerns are if he can be as effective without 2 All-Stars getting most of the attention. It's a fair point.
I think he'll do fine--20+ ppg and be a slightly less efficient shooter (just because he'll see more attention), but he can ball. Yes, he doesn't have Manu's handle or Kobe/Wade ceiling, but he's still really good, and has a high IQ.
I have faith he'll be great regardless.
We'll see how it works out, last I read, Lin was being asked to work harder; Harden should definitely help with that.
He will be fine.
Everybody is over analyzing this. Harden is better than our previous option in every way imaginable. There will be a natural adjustment for him playing starters minutes and being in a new system, but I'm not worried about him.
He will probably get some more help in the off season when the Rockets add another piece (lol) .
Going to the home opener on Saturday against the blazers. Looking forward to seeing him and dat new screen
Knux-Future
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Lin has been booty butt cheeks during the preseason...so unless Kevin Martin was that big of a cancer...I doubt he'd be calming anyone down or making it easier for them.
Future PhaZe
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Yeah with the offensive weapons that the Rockets have right now teams are going to be hard doubling, trapping, virtually everything against Lin/Harden because nobody else is really worth shit.
I'd expect Hardens percentage to drop pretty sharply but he's going to get to the line like crazy.
I'd expect Hardens percentage to drop pretty sharply but he's going to get to the line like crazy.
shira
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Really he's going to be top 10 in scoring?
I don't see Harden as a top 10 in the league player
I expect a good season out of Patterson too. He should put up solid numbers now that Scola is gone.
Top 10 scoring isn't a stretch at all... This is a list that Joe Johnson was on and Harden has been better than Joe for the past two seasons.
Top 10 scoring isn't a stretch at all... This is a list that Joe Johnson was on and Harden has been better than Joe for the past two seasons.
He averaged 19.3PPG per 36 last year. He'll surely get close to 40MPG and he'll be a #1 option. Kevin Martin averaged 23.5PPG in 2010-11 in 80 games played.
He will easily score 20 per game. I'd say he'll score 23-24 PPG.
And top 10 in scoring != top 10 overall player.
MorisUkunRasik
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I really can't say if Harden will boom or bust in Houston, time will tell. I think his fg% is gonna drop but thats all I think will definitely happen.
Yep, agreed
Who do we want on your roster? Gordon would be a nice fill-in for Harden, but I'm not sure we could re-sign him inexpensively.
And we're not taking Byron Mullens.
LiveFromKyoto
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Says you. I subscribe to the Marburmetrics model.
Gordon is an expiring next season. That's his primary value. And he is more than capable of being a 6th man scorer behind a real offense.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if we brought Martin back home for a 1st and Reggie.
The one that plays basketball.
It's more likely we would trade Maynor, considering his injury. Thunder FO seems super-high in Jackson.
Hmm... I actually like the idea of getting Gordon. He would be dangerous as hell in a Harden-esque role, and maybe he could be convinced to stay for less than his current deal.
Plus we have Dat Cho Connection.
Hayward?
The Thunder FO is super-high on dodging the luxury tax now too.
Honestly, a trade better happen sooner rather than later because once Ibaka starts making it obvious that he was never worth that contract, Cho is going to try and unload Tyrus' frontloaded contract to get the Congo Combo started too.
Congo Combo... :lol
They should remake Coming to America with Bismack and Serge if that happens.
And for the record, I wouldn't be surprised if a subsequent deal gets done within a couple of weeks. We're not holding onto all of those picks.
iamshadowlark
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Eh, I can't think anything Ginobli does with the ball thats really better than harden. Difference is negligible at best. What Ginobli has the edge in is footwork. And even thats not the greatest gap.
And yeah no he's not athletic enough to have a Kobe/Wade ceiling.
Honestly yes. As a Canadian trade every frigging player on that roster necessary to get wiggins. It'd be a huge win for Canadian basketball
Perkins is certainly overpaid in a vacuum, but I actually think he's worth his contract to this team. He provides stability and consistency on the inside, along with occasional production (which is a pure bonus since we don't *need* him to score much). He's much more valuable on OKC's roster than he would be on almost any other.
Harden's scoring production can be replaced, although his playmaking will be missed and Martin is an undeniable step down.
However: Ibaka is fully worth his deal. A super-athletic big with his offensive ability and potential at age 22 is incredibly rare. He has improved every year in the league, and there's no reason to think he's done. He'll still be impoving at the end of his contract in 5 years.
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