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2012 NBA Preseason |OT| The Rich Get Richer, The Poor Get Rasheed Wallace

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shira

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He averaged 19.3PPG per 36 last year. He'll surely get close to 40MPG and he'll be a #1 option. Kevin Martin averaged 23.5PPG in 2010-11 in 80 games played.
Martin is a scorer. I don't know what happens to Harden when he is the #1 option - doesn't seem at all like the team leader go-to-guy. But hey if Lin gives him 30-40 shots a game then yeah I guess he can do 20.

Honestly yes. As a Canadian trade every frigging player on that roster necessary to get wiggins. It'd be a huge win for Canadian basketball
Sadly he would leave as soon as his rookie deal+1 is up.
 
Martin is a scorer. I don't know what happens to Harden when he is the #1 option - doesn't seem at all like the team leader go-to-guy. But hey if Lin gives him 30-40 shots a game then yeah I guess he can do 20.


Sadly he would leave as soon as his rookie deal+1 is up.

What? lol cmon.
 

DY_nasty

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Perkins is certainly overpaid in a vacuum, but I actually think he's worth his contract to this team. He provides stability and consistency on the inside, along with occasional production (which is a pure bonus since we don't *need* him to score much). He's much more valuable on OKC's roster than he would be on almost any other.

Harden's scoring production can be replaced, although his playmaking will be missed and Martin is an undeniable step down.

However: Ibaka is fully worth his deal. A super-athletic big with his offensive ability and potential at age 22 is incredibly rare. He has improved every year in the league, and there's no reason to think he's done. He'll still be impoving at the end of his contract in 5 years.

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Canuck76

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Perk was kind of a necessary evil for OKC.

They needed a solid post defender if they were going to up against Dwight or Bynum or a solid 4 or 5 guy.

That being said he doesn't rebound or really block shots, enough to justify that contract.
 
Perk was kind of a necessary evil for OKC.

They needed a solid post defender if they were going to up against Dwight or Bynum or a solid 4 or 5 guy.

That being said he doesn't rebound or really block shots, enough to justify that contract.

He also doesn't play defense either
 

KingGondo

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So who does OKC sign to replace Perkins? There aren't many competent Cs around the league to be had for less than $10 million/year.

He knows his role and performs it well. Amnestying Perk would have left a massive void on our roster to be filled by Aldrich or Thabeet.

I'm not bullshitting, he's genuinely valuable on this team.

Ibaka isn't getting paid his $12 million until next year anyways. If he continues to improve at the rate he has, he'll be a bargain at the end of his deal.
 
So who does OKC sign to replace Perkins? There aren't many competent Cs around the league to be had for less than $10 million/year.

He knows his role and performs it well. Amnestying Perk would have left a massive void on our roster to be filled by Aldrich or Thabeet.

I'm not bullshitting, he's genuinely valuable on this team.

Ibaka isn't getting paid his $12 million until next year anyways. If he continues to improve at the rate he has, he'll be a bargain at the end of his deal.
Perkins was a net detriment in the Finals and most of the playoffs. He's awful.
 

KingGondo

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Perkins was a net detriment in the Finals and most of the playoffs. He's awful.
He's primarily valuable against teams with a legit inside presence--it's a short list, but it happens to include the Lakers (both last year and this year). He helps free up the rest of the lineup to defend their man and not double down low.

He shouldn't have played much in the Finals because of the matchup. I blame that on Brooks.
 
He's primarily valuable against teams with a legit inside presence--it's a short list, but it happens to include the Lakers (both last year and this year). He helps free up the rest of the lineup to defend their man and not double down low.

He shouldn't have played much in the Finals because of the matchup. I blame that on Brooks.

So basically it's like a baseball team paying $9 million a year for a situational reliever or pinch hitter that does okay against 1 or 2 teams and sucks ass against everyone else.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Are we pretending that Perkins was the reason Pau shat the bed in the playoffs and not because Pau was just being fucking Pau Gasol?
 

KingGondo

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So basically it's like a baseball team paying $9 million a year for a situational reliever or pinch hitter that does okay against 1 or 2 teams and sucks ass against everyone else.
I agree with that analogy, except we know that we'll almost certainly have to face a legit interior threat in the Western Conference Playoffs. MLB is much more unpredictable in terms of matchups.

We can beat the Nuggets, Mavs, and Rox without Perk. We'll have a hard time beating Memphis or the Lakers without him.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
It's a moot point anyway because you ain't beating shit with Kevin Martin.
 
I agree with that analogy, except we know that we'll almost certainly have to face a legit interior threat in the Western Conference Playoffs. MLB is much more unpredictable in terms of matchups.

We can beat the Nuggets, Mavs, and Rox without Perk. We'll have a hard time beating Memphis or the Lakers without him.

and that's a really dumb way to build a team, hence it cost you a legit great player in Harden.
 

KingGondo

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It's a moot point anyway because you ain't beating shit with Kevin Martin.
I doubt he stays on the roster the whole season anyways.

Presti isn't keeping all these assets:

Maynor
Martin's expiring contract
Jackson
Toronto's first
Dallas' first
OKC's first
Charlotte's second
 
goddamn son calm down. Im just saying, Ibaka is terrible and they need Perkins.

why do they need Perkins? People act like he is some stud defender even against those handful of teams that have legit Centers, but he's not. Even then he is pretty mediocre. Against everyone else he is worthless. The only reason they "need him" is because they over value him big time.
 

KingGondo

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Ibaka is an unfinished product. FFS people, he's only 22.

Ninja: the problem is that we need someone who can at least slow down guys like Bynum and Dwight one-on-one, and most guys who can do that (Chandler's the only one I can think of off the top of my head) are far more expensive than Perk. We're already committed to YNB and KD at max levels, which limits our flexibility. Ibaka's contract limits it even further, but I believe Ibaka will live up to the money he's getting.

At this point, it's apparent that Presti views Harden's contributions as more replaceable than Ibaka's.
 
Ibaka is an unfinished product. FFS people, he's only 22.

Ninja: the problem is that we need someone who can at least slow down guys like Bynum and Dwight one-on-one, and most guys who can do that (Chandler's the only one I can think of off the top of my head) are far more expensive than Perk. We're already committed to YNB and KD at max levels, which limits our flexibility. Ibaka's contract limits it even further, but I believe Ibaka will live up to the money he's getting.

At this point, it's apparent that Presti views Harden's contributions as more replaceable than Ibaka's.


Ibaka can polish his skillset but I don't think he'll be adding much more.

If Presti thinks he can replace Harden easier than Ibaka then he's in for a rude awakening.
 

DY_nasty

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Not saying I agree with him, but that's apparent from Presti's actions.

Serge differs from Tyrus Thomas in at least this respect: he's not a headcase at all.

Ibaka may as well be a nicer Tyrus then.

But at least Tyrus can catch. Bigs that hit 22 without being to catch seldom learn.
 

Canuck76

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why do they need Perkins? People act like he is some stud defender even against those handful of teams that have legit Centers, but he's not. Even then he is pretty mediocre. Against everyone else he is worthless. The only reason they "need him" is because they over value him big time.

Watch the tape of Boston beating Orlando when they didn't have Garnett. It was a lot of Perk one on one with Dwight.

Also i think Ibaka is getting crapped on way too much. Terrific help defender and his jumper and range has only improved every season

Of course he's not DPOY but he's still incredibly valuable, how many other 4's are that good on help defense and can make a mid range jumper and snag some rebounds?

He's getting 10/10/ and 4 blocks a night. That's pretty decent, and he'd be scoring more if Westbrook and Durant weren't on the team.
 

DY_nasty

NeoGAF's official "was this shooting justified" consultant
Watch the tape of Boston beating Orlando when they didn't have Garnett. It was a lot of Perk one on one with Dwight.
When did this happen and what has happened to Perk since then? In what series has Perk had anything close to this impact since then?

Also i think Ibaka is getting crapped on way too much. Terrific help defender and his jumper and range has only improved every season

Of course he's not DPOY but he's still incredibly valuable, how many other 4's are that good on help defense and can make a mid range jumper and snag some rebounds?

He's getting 10/10/ and 4 blocks a night. That's pretty decent, and he'd be scoring more if Westbrook and Durant weren't on the team.

He's an okay help defender that can only block shots - but the issue with him is that he gives up one easy bucket or rebound for every attempt at a blocked shot. He can't rebound well enough to justify having him on the court either. He's laughable in the PnR. He's not a 10/10/4 guy. He's a 9/7/3 liability in the same way that Keon Clark was. He's just an exaggerated version. Yes, he's an amazing shot blocker - but he leaves his feet so often that teams have no issue getting that same blocked shot back or pumpfaking him into oblivion.

Also, if he can't score in a place where three of the best offensive players in the NBA are taking away all the attention in the world, then he's not going to suddenly get any MORE open. He's not even Glen Davis on the offensive end.

Does he have potential to improve? Of course. But rarely do you see bigs develop in the ways that HE would need to at this point in his career. Non-physical guys don't suddenly get physical. Guys with shitty hands don't suddenly learn how to catch. Bigs who can't put the ball down never learn how to.
 

Kwhit10

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I'm a little surprised how Perkins worsened after he left the C's. He did well on defense even when KG was out, but in OKC he's a shell of his former self, literally. He lost all that weight I don't think he can hold out on heavier guys like he used to. Maybe it's just the system being different. But I never though he was worth what he got paid.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
I'm a little surprised how Perkins worsened after he left the C's. He did well on defense even when KG was out, but in OKC he's a shell of his former self, literally. He lost all that weight I don't think he can hold out on heavier guys like he used to. Maybe it's just the system being different. But I never though he was worth what he got paid.

That knee injury set him back bad. He wasn't an athletic big to begin with, and now he's Joel Przybilla-esque in mobility -- and Joel is significantly older.
 

shira

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When did this happen and what has happened to Perk since then? In what series has Perk had anything close to this impact since then?



He's an okay help defender that can only block shots - but the issue with him is that he gives up one easy bucket or rebound for every attempt at a blocked shot. He can't rebound well enough to justify having him on the court either. He's laughable in the PnR. He's not a 10/10/4 guy. He's a 9/7/3 liability in the same way that Keon Clark was. He's just an exaggerated version. Yes, he's an amazing shot blocker - but he leaves his feet so often that teams have no issue getting that same blocked shot back or pumpfaking him into oblivion.

Also, if he can't score in a place where three of the best offensive players in the NBA are taking away all the attention in the world, then he's not going to suddenly get any MORE open. He's not even Glen Davis on the offensive end.

Does he have potential to improve? Of course. But rarely do you see bigs develop in the ways that HE would need to at this point in his career. Non-physical guys don't suddenly get physical. Guys with shitty hands don't suddenly learn how to catch. Bigs who can't put the ball down never learn how to.

I blame a lot of this on coaching. There are only a few bigman coaches out there and results are usually mediocre/bad.
 
Outside of the season opener of last year where he looked barely awake, Dwight's averaged 30 PPG against Perkins since Perkins had his knee injury. Al has also had some games where he just destroyed him. Not sure he's really even a good one-on-one low post scorer defender at this point.
 
Twas The Night Before The NBA Season
by Not Bill Walton
Twas the night before the NBA season, from East Coast to West, not a creature was stirring, not even Ron Artest. The nets were hung on the rims with care, in hopes that tip-off soon would be there.

The Odoms were nestled all snug in their beds, while visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads. And Rondo in his ‘kerchief, and Pierce in his cap, KG closed his wingspan for a long pregame nap.

When out on the court, LeBron brought a clatter, the MVP sprung through the air, defying space and matter. And thoughts of D-Wade transforming into the Flash, hoping that Chris Bosh drops the lipstick and sash.

Joe Johnson's shot silently drops like new-fallen snow, D-Will has the luster to make Brooklyn a tough foe. When, what to my wondering eyes should appear, but a lethal Black Mamba! Five rings does he bear.

With an aging old driver that had the swag of a giant, I knew in a moment it must be Kobe Bryant. More rapid than eagles his coursers they came, and he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name!

"Now Howard! now, Pau! now, Darius and Ron Ron! On, Devin! On, Nash! on, on Blake and Duhon! From the first whistle to the last bounce of the ball! Now dash away! Dash away! Dash away all!"

The Clippers storm like a wild hurricane when they score, but playing D is an obstacle, as they flop to the floor. So up to the rafters, Blake Griffin really can fly, as Chris Paul sets up the offense, he points to the sky.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard from afar, the Thunder seem ready for a basketball war. As Ibaka extends his arm, turning the direction of shots around, Perkins growls and snarls when he fights for a rebound.

Westbrook is dressed like a hipster, from his head to his toe, his clothes and his shot selection are stealing the show. As Durant heads to the arena, searching for the title that he lacks, he looks like a child, wearing a silly backpack.

Kyrie Irving's eyes have a twinkle and Cleveland is merry, Philly hoping that Bynum's inside game will be scary! While in Houston, James Harden's beard continues to grow, and Linsanity tallies more turnovers with each errant throw.

The return of Rasheed Wallace has opponents gritting their teeth, the Knicks' roster is older than Mick Jagger and Keith. Melo has a dimpled face and a little round belly, that shakes when he shoots, like a bowlful of jelly!

Felton is chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf, Amar'e shrieked in pain when he fire extinguished himself! After he drinks Coronas with a twist of a lime, don't let J-Kidd drive on the road, it's considered a crime.

Luol Deng spoke not a word, but went straight to his work, with flying elbows and primal screams, Joakim Noah acts like a jerk. How they'll fare early on, nobody knows, as Bulls fans patiently await the return of D-Rose.

The refs sprang to mid-court, to the players gave a whistle, and away they all jumped like an anti-ballistics missile. But I heard David Stern exclaim, ‘ere he drove out of sight, "Happy NBA Season to all, and to all a good-night!"
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