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[What The Fox]

Adam Boyes left Sony in 2016 lol

 

[TheGodfather07]

People really need to learn to just not blindly trust anything they read. Yeah Colin has a good reputation around here but he doesn't work at sony. Why would he know these kind of things? It was an obvious guess. Colin also said bluepoint were working on bloodborne didn't he iirc.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Lol.

Concord lost $400M.

Defenders: But it didn’t.

Ok, let’s say Concord lost $200M, had no gamers, shut down a studio, shut down the game in less than 2 weeks, auto refunded gamers and deleted the game.

Defenders: Uhhhhh…. Duhhhhh…. But at least it didn’t lose $400M!

Who's saying that? People are actually saying the opposite.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The semantics really don't matter, the game was a large failure for various reasons, and nothing will change that.

But but but…. At least it didn’t lose $400M! Best game ever! Unjustly criticized!

 

[thismeinteil]

It was obviously fake. You can tell by how the number kept increasing. The first number I remember hearing was $100M+. Then someone who has inside info said it was more like $150M+. Then came the $400M. I saw a few posts suggesting $600M. I was truly waiting for it to all of sudden become a $1B flop for Sony. Of course, Sony's financials, as well as common sense, prove it wrong.

 

[zokie]

if the budget numbers was fake then why was Hermen Hulst being 'demoted' ?
To me it doesn't matter now as there are too gacha/live service games in the market , the whole pizza has been split to less than 0.1cm pieces and everyone wants as share of the profits

 

[TheGodfather07]

But but but…. At least it didn’t lose $400M! Best game ever! Unjustly criticized!

Your triggered as hell. Is it the forza news?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Adam boyes looks he aged 25 years and lives in a log cabin compared to his PS4 days.

 

[viveks86]

In the threads where the budgets were discussed it seems obvious that most people have no idea how much is spent to make videogames these days and think they cost $50 million.

We can agree on that. This is a gaming forum after all. Armchair analyzing facts is hard enough. No matter how confident Colin is, this is a rumor. I wish we would treat it that way and move on.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This is what he said "not all numbers you read online are real". That's it. There's nothing to trust because he doesn't say anything.

Obviously he is referring to the $400 million... But he doesn't say anything else, gives it no context, doesn't say he has sources, doesn't provide a more realistic number. There is no reason to believe what he is saying is based on any sort of fact or reality that would contradict Colin who at least said he had a source for his numbers. You and the idiot OP are really stretching here.


In the threads where the budgets were discussed it seems obvious that most people have no idea how much is spent to make videogames these days and think they cost $50 million.

Solid games can be made reasonably cost effective.

Wukong was made supposedly for $70M

 

[adamsapple]

People really need to learn to just not blindly trust anything they read. Yeah Colin has a good reputation around here but he doesn't work at sony. Why would he know these kind of things? It was an obvious guess. Colin also said bluepoint were working on bloodborne didn't he iirc.

Neither does Adam Boyes, though.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Your triggered as hell. Is it the forza news?

Not at all. I just love how concord keeps being brought up. Even Adam boyes wants to talk about it.

And why would I care about forza? I barely played it.

 

[TheGodfather07]

It definitely provided $400 million worth of laughs, that's for sure.

Got a new song for your playlist.

 

[adamsapple]

Got a new song for your playlist.

And you say StreetsofBeige is triggered...

 

[TheGodfather07]

Neither does Adam Boyes, though.

Exactly. Neither of them are a reliable source for this information. Its just that the 400m came from Colin.

 

[TheGodfather07]

And you say StreetsofBeige is triggered...

Why you mad? I'm just playing. I thought you was a fan of that guy because you post his gamepass anthem often. He just put out a new banger!

 

[viveks86]

Wukong was made supposedly for $70M

I wonder what the dev salary is in China, but I’d be shocked if it’s even 1/3rd of US numbers. A massive part of these budgets go towards just salaries.

In my industry in tech, it’s 1/4th of US salaries for India and I would think China is comparable. And they probably work 30 to 50% longer as well.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Man, Concord and its $400,000,000 loss really did a number on a few of you.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Man, Concord and its $400,000,000 loss really did a number on a few of you.

There isn't a single person that hasn't said how much of a massive failure Concord is no matter what the budget was. Makes no damn difference! One of the biggest fails ever seen in this industry! Who's defending it? Where? Show me a post. Why you guys making shit up? Who did it do a number on? People are glad it failed because it was garbage! I hope sonys entire life service pipeline fails just like that!

 

[adamsapple]

Exactly. Neither of them are a reliable source for this information. Its just that the 400m came from Colin.

Ok, but folks seem to forget other sources also corroborated a high budget, even before factoring in the acquisition cost for Firewalk.

Original deal = $200m, but that wasn't enough to cover the games development. And does not include the fee Sony paid to acquire Firesprite. No amount was disclosed for that acquisition so it's anyone's guess.

The initial development deal for the game was just over $200 million, according to two sources familiar with the agreement but who were not authorized to speak publicly about it. But Kotaku understands that amount was not enough to cover the game’s entire development and did not include the purchase of Concord IP rights or Firewalk Studios itself, which Sony acquired only last year.

Sony Shuts Down Studio Behind Concord Less Than Two Years After Buying It

Firewalk Studios is shutting down over a month following the shooter's disastrous launch

kotaku.com

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I wonder what the dev salary is in China, but I’d be shocked if it’s even 1/3rd of US numbers. A massive part of these budgets go towards just salaries.

In my industry in tech, it’s 1/4th of US salaries for India and I would think China is comparable. And they probably work 30 to 50% longer as well.

Probably true.

And that’s my point. A company can make good products overseas for much less. Why else do companies make cars, computers or even pharmaceuticals overseas?

Cheaper and the product quality is good. Just got to give them a chance to do it.

And gaming is something that is historically a very USA, Japan, with some European and Canada kind of industry. Not sure why, but probably has to do with skill set and resources. But seems China and Korea are getting into it recently with some quality games as they are getting resources to make them.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Ok, but folks seem to forget other sources also corroborated a high budget, even before factoring in the acquisition cost for Firewalk.

Original deal = $200m, but that wasn't enough to cover the games development. And does not include the fee Sony paid to acquire Firesprite. No amount was disclosed for that acquisition so its anyone's guess.

Sony Shuts Down Studio Behind Concord Less Than Two Years After Buying It

Firewalk Studios is shutting down over a month following the shooter's disastrous launch

kotaku.com

It probably was around that area or perhaps even more! My point was we need valid sources though. Colin isn't one of them. These days people just believe any source. Not sure why its such a point of discussion though. I couldn't care less about sonys finances and budgeting.

 

[TropicanaTwista]

This isn't actually about Concord. It's about charlatan Youtubers who use anonymous sources to peddle clickbait. Colin Moriarty burned the remainder of his goodwill up.

Always felt and still do, like the $400 million is totally bogus. But why would Colin lie? He has a successful business and has been in the field for decades, he doesn't need any clickbaity nonsense to help his channel. Really just think he was told some wrong info from a good source.

 

[Dazraell]

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Came in expecting very little... was still disappointed...

Nothing was shown that contradicts the numbers Colin shared, there's plenty of people that could dig in and find evidence to confirm or deny them, but asking a guy that hasn't been in Sony for almost 10 years isn't it.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Always felt and still do, like the $400 million is totally bogus. But why would Colin lie? He has a successful business and has been in the field for decades, he doesn't need any clickbaity nonsense to help his channel. Really just think he was told some wrong info from a good source.

Somebody fed colin bullshit before. In truth, bluepoint have been working on a live service god of war game that's now been cancelled!

“They’re re-releasing Bloodborne on PS5, as I understand it,” Moriarty said of Bluepoint’s current efforts. “But we’re going to get a sequel to Bloodborne as I have heard out of them after that.”

Bloodborne 2 Rumored to Be in Development for PS5

After releasing all the way back in 2015, it sounds as though PlayStation may finally be looking to bring about a full-blown sequel to the beloved action title Bloodborne. While many longtime fans of the FromSoftware-developed project have simply been hoping for a remake or remaster of the game...

comicbook.com

 

[viveks86]

there's plenty of people that could dig in and find evidence to confirm or deny them, but asking a guy that hasn't been in Sony for almost 10 years isn't it.

Might be overestimating there. If there was a way to dig this out of Sony’s vault, a certain creature at Bloomberg would have done it ages ago. This kind of disaster news is straight up his alley and he would revel in the billion clicks he gets from it. But haven’t seen anything yet. So if it exists, it is at least not as easy as you make it seem.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Always felt and still do, like the $400 million is totally bogus. But why would Colin lie? He has a successful business and has been in the field for decades, he doesn't need any clickbaity nonsense to help his channel. Really just think he was told some wrong info from a good source.

I suspect he didn't lie as much as he dropped standards to peddle a sketchy story he knew would hit with his audience. MSNBC and FOX do this all the time. They do it because they know their audience won't get mad at them for peddling the fake story. (Covington Kid, Immigrants eating cats)

Then, if you paid attention to how his behavior developed, he attacked those that doubted the story (reasonable people) rather than support his claim with more information. Think of the kind of people who do that.

Sketchy, untrustworthy, liars. He knew his story was likely bogus then he got defensive when people were skeptical. Colin Moriarty is a sketch.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I suspect he didn't lie as much as he dropped standards to peddle a sketchy story he knew would hit with his audience. MSNBC and FOX do this all the time. They do it because they know their audience won't get mad at them for peddling the fake news.

Then, if you paid attention to how his behavior developed, he attacked those that doubted the story (reasonable people) rather than support his claim with more information. Think of the kind of people who do that.

Sketchy, untrustworthy, liars. He knew his story was likely bogus then he got defensive when people were skeptical. Colin Moriarty is a sketch.

So do you have better info you could share with us? Because this video isn't it...

 

[Kamina]

Does it matter? Even if it was only half as initially thought, it bombed hard and hopefully remains a warning.

 

[Kenneth Haight]

You still havent lived down concord have you

Another thread defending a particular genre of video game. Once you’ve seen one you’ve seen them all.

 

[Raven117]

It's a perfect specimen to study why fake news flourishes in all areas of life.

A population that wants to believe something, is easily lied to.

Then when the correction is made months later, people resist.

It's a machine that's built to roll one way.

People that want to be lied to don't like taking their medicine (truth). They want more lies.

This is news?

Glad you solved the issue with the internet.

 

[MacReady13]

(Time stamped for your pleasure)


This won't be a popular topic because the zeitgeist is gone, but Colin Moriarty needed to be brought to justice. Lock him up, fellas...

Didn’t a cuck journo also acknowledge that Concord went over $300 million or thereabouts AFTER Colin broke that news?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Its gone box man, like we all will be one day. You need to deal with the loss, remember the good times, all two weeks of them, and hold them close to your heart

The only people that can't let go of Concord are the people who hate it though.

 

[March Climber]

Does it matter? Even if it was only half as initially thought, it bombed hard and hopefully remains a warning.

It mainly matters to fact checkers for historical purposes.

Unfortunately the fact checkers are being pushed into the same box as the defenders of the game, simply for looking into this issue a bit further

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

This is news?

Glad you solved the issue with the internet.

 

[MayauMiao]

If Concord is not the biggest failure then what is? E.T may be in a landfill but it did sold a lot AFAIK.

 

[The artful mincer]

At the end of the day you can't trust a guy that catapulted his Patreon by crying on Dave Rubin.

 

[MacReady13]

Of course it's he said/she said.

I'll trust Adam over Colin. Adam has business sense and actual industry experience, Colin is just a grifting internet personality

A grifting internet personality? You’ve lost all credibility (not that you had any to begin with) right there champ.

 

[Harlock]

He say the numbers are not accurate, not fake. And "nobody is to blame" about Concord failure. (LoL)

Adam and Jeff are dancing around too much.

In the end, Adam can´t say anything real. Jeff can´t be the real Jeff. And Colin is always salty bc Asmongold trumps him 20:1 in influence.

 

[BlackTron]

Certified Men in Boxes thread

 

[MacReady13]

At the end of the day you can't trust a guy that catapulted his Patreon by crying on Dave Rubin.

Crying over his “friends” backstabbing him and throwing him under the bus AFTER he left his job and his livelihood to start a new venture with those other 3 “best friends” and you can’t trust him for that?

 

[The artful mincer]

I side with Men_in_Boxes and James Sawyer Ford on this

This isn't about Concord this about confirmation bias, misinformation and forming a narrative. Colin never provided any evidence whatsoever other than trust me bro.

People on this forum and elsewhere are way to invested in the GAAS hate that they just ran with this story. Concord can't just be a major flop it has to be the biggest flop in the history of the universe.

Unfortunately I don't think this will change much $400 million will still be the reported figure.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Can't you guys just wait for the next Insomniac hack?

 

[The artful mincer]

Crying over his “friends” backstabbing him and throwing him under the bus AFTER he left his job and his livelihood to start a new venture with those other 3 “best friends” and you can’t trust him for that?

Okay that was unkind on my part.

The dog pile he got for that joke was totaally unacceptable.

You shouldn't trust him beacuse he's an unimpressive commentor who doesn't have a particularly good track record when reporting facts. How's that!?

 

[Raven117]

Lol! Go get’em tiger!

 

[hyperbertha]

True. That's why it's important for people to develop a BS detector.

Obviously the Concord story was "big news" but perhaps the bigger news was just how many people bought the story because it aligned with what they wanted to believe. A lot of people have to come to terms with a faulty BS detector now.

A great learning experience for many.

Nothing is confirmed at this point. You have proven absolutely none of your points. It's very likely there was no bs. Besides, who the fuck cares? Nobody cares about a dead live service game. If you think any body is gonna 'learn a lesson' from this you're a retard

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

There isn't a single person that hasn't said how much of a massive failure Concord is no matter what the budget was. Makes no damn difference! One of the biggest fails ever seen in this industry! Who's defending it? Where? Show me a post. Why you guys making shit up? Who did it do a number on? People are glad it failed because it was garbage! I hope sonys entire life service pipeline fails just like that!

You’re confused. I never said anyone is defending Concord. How can you defend something that launched and died within a few weeks Even Brink and Lawbreakers lasted longer than that. I’m talking about a few people who anytime it’s brought up, have to constantly try and remind us it wasn’t quite as bad of a bomb as people remember, and try to distract people from the fact that they predicted great things for the game.

Never implied it was a lot, I said a few. Two of them are in this thread. I don’t need to name them. To my point, we all know who they are.

 

[Kerotan]

100 mil, 200 mil , 400 mil, no difference.

this game a waste of money.

If you understand math there is actually a difference.

 

[Generic]

He mentions "our industry is overly tough on big companies that take risks". I don't think people are like making fun of Sony because they took a risk and failed, is that the risks they are taking is for games that their core audience really hates (GaaS -> Keep paying over month type of games). I bet the discourse would be completely different if lets say they took a big risk on a high budget JRPG that then failed, no one would be like "haha suckers stop taking risks". Anyways my point is lets not put in the same bag a game like Demon's Souls (high risk on PS3 - kickstarted a genre) to GaaS games, where they start designing the internal store and currency before they even have a gameplay element made.

The most popular games on PlayStation are GaaS.