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[Suairyu]

Were Muslims a minority in Iran and Afghanistan in the 60s?

No.

But Islamic fundamentalists were. My Iranian friend once told me how his family and their friends had supported the revolution like most. Then they saw what the revolution twisted their country and faith into and left. Sad state of affairs.

dan999 seem a total idiot though, despite his propaganda picture having a degree of unfortunate truth in it.

 

[TimeEffect]

After the Ruskies attacked, US backed the Afghani's to fight them. After that was all said and done, they needed someone to protect the border because they weren't going to do it. US gave the Taliban (at the time, the largest organized group) power.

There were fundamentalists during the fighting, but after that was all said and done, the Taliban used the chaos to create an establishment. US saw that establishment... bam... they become ruling power.



Sexy man. I'd love to look like that guy. Bikini and all.

Spoiler

I'd like to look like that guy though.

Setting them back before even the religion was established... There used to be a focus on science and math... heh... hasn't been that way probably post Ottoman Empire.

What were the Taliban like before all this? How exactly did they have power/form, and what was their initial goal?

I've read a Thousand Splendid Suns, but you can only get so much

 

[beast786]

Initially seeing the western influence in those pics didn't really do anything for me, if anything i saw in more of a typical British colonial robbery in a way.

But, what I did realize was obvious tolerant.

Afghan culture is absolutely beautiful. But, what change is intolerant. That needs to go.

 

[TCRS]

What about Detroit? You could make those same kinds of "holy shit, look what happened" thing to that city. IN AMERICA.

Yeah but we're not talking about a single city and a couple of buildings. We're talking about a whole region, two countries (Afghanistan and Pakistan). The whole liefestyle there has changed and is going in the opposite direction to what it was before the Soviet invasion. Check this link about Pakistan until the mid 80s (until the Soviet invasion and the war there basically):

http://dawn.com/2012/02/09/also-pakistan-2/
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501136

 

[dripdripsplash]

Not sure about the legitimacy of the picture... but still.

And this is just depressing.

 

[Vilix]

Not sure about the legitimacy of the picture... but still.

Before and after pics of some kind of apocalypse.

 

[Dai101]

I may be anti-american, but only when it comes to the nation and government itself.
The american people are alright.

Well, me too. I was referring to the fact that the rest of the AMERICAN CONTINENT (i.e, Mexico, Central and South America) have been fucked up by USA.

 

[commedieu]

Its pretty clear that these regions would have eventually become, threats, to the western world. Imagine if the middle east was able to become a super-power, which they were on the route to, and control the worlds fuel supply.

 

[Corky]

Before and after pics of some kind of apocalypse.

I'm sure it could as well have been the apocalypse for people enduring decades and decades of war.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

This, and Iran, are reasons why it irks me when young people just sit back and assume that things like marriage equality, equal treatment of women and minorities, and other social issues will just fix themselves as time goes by.

You have to press for change, because things can backslide overnight if you let them.

 

[Mustaphadamus]

Were Muslims a minority in Iran and Afghanistan in the 60s?

No, it was a majority Muslim back then. The Shah of Iran banned the wearing of Chadoor (the veil worn in Iran) by Muslim women back then, in public institutions, like schools and such. Much like Turkiye does today.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Same thing happened in Iran and the same thing will happen in Europe.

Please tell me more how the same thing can happen in Europe ?

 

[phosphor112]

What were the Taliban like before all this? How exactly did they have power/form, and what was their initial goal?

I've read a Thousand Splendid Suns, but you can only get so much

Mujahideen, was supported by the US to fight the Soviet backed Afghan Army.

Taliban originated from northern Pakistan to fight off the Soviets.

Anyway... here is a link on the war itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

 

[2San]

Yeah but we're not talking about a single city and a couple of buildings. We're talking about a whole region, two countries (Afghanistan and Pakistan). The whole liefestyle there has changed and is going in the opposite direction to what it was before the Soviet invasion. Check this link about Pakistan until the mid 80s (until the Soviet invasion and the war there basically):

http://dawn.com/2012/02/09/also-pakistan-2/
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501136

Pakistan back then where happily leaching off Bangladesh though(until the 70's), till Bangladesh finally fought back for obvious reasons. Pakistan's rise and fall aren't all on the soviets.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Mujahideen, was supported by the US to fight the Soviet backed Afghan Army.

Taliban originated from northern Pakistan to fight off the Soviets.

Anyway... here is a link on the war itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

Personally, I'd rather have had communists in afghanistan than extremist muslims.

 

[phosphor112]

Personally, I'd rather have had communists in afghanistan than extremist muslims.

+1

But we can't have nice things.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Please tell me more how the same thing can happen in Europe ?

2083 – A European Declaration of Independence has some good insights on it.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Women wear hijab in Iran but you cannot equate it to Saudi Arabia, women get educated in Iran they get political power. Obviously some nutsy folks dont respect women there but most do. Pakistan had a women prime minister before USA. As did Bangladesh but those were women in power with money and power. The problem is not how they all treat women, its how the few fundamentalists treat women and the media latches onto it combined with the fact that society takes advantage of not only poor men but poor women especially women

 

[GungHo]

Yeah, so, when Iran was instilled a dictator by the west and they got fed up with the US's bullshit and overthrew him?

Wasn't just the US on that one. The Brits "helped" too. I never really appreciated this part of history until I became good friends with a Persian couple who told me a good amount of it and then directed me toward a few documentaries and books (like The Prize) on the subject. We (the US, the Brits, the Dutch, and the French) really fucked up that part of the world and they've earned the right to be pissed, and us hanging out there and telling them how they're supposed to live isn't going to get them to calm down. At this point I think we've been shitty guests and the only way we're going to be back in anyone's good graces is to leave people alone until they invite us back over.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

Women wear hijab in Iran but you cannot equate it to Saudi Arabia, women get educated in Iran they get political power. Obviously some nutsy folks dont respect women there but most do. Pakistan had a women prime minister before USA. As did Bangladesh but those were women in power with money and power. The problem is not how they all treat women, its how the few fundamentalists treat women and the media latches onto it combined with the fact that society takes advantage of not only poor men but poor women especially women

They also had a male prime minister before us.

 

[Maninthemirror]

They also had a male prime minister before us.

In pakistan the prime minister is basically the president, not anymore but in the 1970s-1980 1990-1998

 

[phosphor112]

2083 – A European Declaration of Independence has some good insights on it.

I laughed.

Women wear hijab in Iran but you cannot equate it to Saudi Arabia, women get educated in Iran they get political power. Obviously some nutsy folks dont respect women there but most do. Pakistan had a women prime minister before USA. As did Bangladesh but those were women in power with money and power. The problem is not how they all treat women, its how the few fundamentalists treat women and the media latches onto it combined with the fact that society takes advantage of not only poor men but poor women especially women

Iran is our mortal enemy... even though they are a lot more modernized (ie. westernized) than Saudi Arabia.

 

[LuCkymoON]

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

I can't find the rest of the series.

 

[hym]

Another place the Islamic extremists ruined.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Another place the Islamic extremists ruined.

It's a damn shame how gaudy they've made it.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Rambo has a lot to answer to, he should really be arrested for war crimes.

 

[cdkee]

Another place the Islamic extremists ruined.

I thought the whole point of Mecca was so that everyone is equal (at least when they go for pilgrimage)...not so much anymore when you have a 5 star hotel and shopping mall looming over you.

 

[dripdripsplash]

Another place the Islamic extremists ruined.

When is the first picture taken ?

 

[phosphor112]

It's a damn shame how gaudy they've made it.

It's revolting. They destroy everything to do with the history, and then build giant phalli that overshadows the Kaba.

I thought the whole point of Mecca was so that everyone is equal (at least when they go for pilgrimage)...not so much anymore when you have a 5 star hotel and shopping mall looming over you.

100% correct.

 

[Devolution]

It's almost as if shitty economic prospects and war gives rise to fundamentalism and power to those who endorse it!

 

[TimeEffect]

So, what's Persepolis about? I've read some of it, but breezed through it for a book assignment. I want to go back and read it properly after I finish the current book I'm reading. I recall it's a historical piece, but could not remember-- it's about this exact situation with the Soviets/Afghanistan, correct? (No major spoilers please)

 

[Devolution]

So, what's Persepolis about? I've read some of it, but breezed through it for a book assignment. I want to go back and read it properly after I finish the current book I'm reading. I recall it's a historical piece, but could not remember-- it's about this exact situation with the Soviets/Afghanistan, correct? (No major spoilers please)

No it's about Iran.

 

[hym]

When is the first picture taken ?

1889 source

The Ajyad Fortress was demolished in 2002 to make way for the Las Vegas clock tower.

 

[Eric_S]

http://libertylinked.com/Store/Images/Photos/17103l.jpg

I've dated an Iranian woman who moved to Sweden to avoid the current lovely goverment, and I've never gotten the impression that that was the case. You need to cover your hair as a woman, yes. But it's far more subtle that that as I've understood it (women compete in how much they can show to the point where it's pretty pointless to cover up in the first place), or atleast in Teheran. Perhaps it's like that in some ass backards area?

Not that there's not a LOT wrong with Iran. Ahmadinejad, crashing their rice production to make money from imports, the young and well educated leaving the country to move to other places (like the woman I talked about, did her MSci and got a good job in Sweden), and somebody funding a seperatist guerilla in the northern parts of Iran, and ...

(To inject something positive to end things with, just to note that a country posesses many qualities beyond the shitty ones of their leadership. http://www.iranview.com/image.aspx?imgid=1614 http://www.iranview.com/image.aspx?imgid=1914 http://www.iranview.com/image.aspx?imgid=2176 )

 

[phosphor112]

1889 source

The Ajyad Fortress was demolished in 2002 to make way for the Las Vegas clock tower.

Reminds me how much I hate the Wahabbi and House of Saud.

 

[Sheeshor]

So, what's Persepolis about? I've read some of it, but breezed through it for a book assignment. I want to go back and read it properly after I finish the current book I'm reading. I recall it's a historical piece, but could not remember-- it's about this exact situation with the Soviets/Afghanistan, correct? (No major spoilers please)

Do you mean the Comicbook Persepolis which was also turned into a movie? It's about the islamic Revolution in Iran and how it changed the life of a young girl and her familiy. It's great imo.

 

[The Omega Man]

Same thing happened in Iran and the same thing will happen in Europe.

Care to elaborate?

 

[JCV]

Are there any good books I could pick up, other than A Thousand Splendid Suns, about this?

 

[Devolution]

Iran's issues can be traced all the way back to 1953.

 

[stufte]

Another place the Islamic extremists ruined.

Are there other photos of that second pic? there is some CRAZY perspective shit going on with that large building... I'm not saying it's shopped, but it looks extremely wrong in that pic.


*edit* ok wow.

that looks awful.

 

[leroidys]

OK, I'll place the bulk of the blame on the US, but you guys are letting the Soviet Union off way too easily.

Was the crushing of the Hungarian revolution and Prague Spring legitimate just because those countries collapsing governments asked for help from the Soviet Union?

 

[Dibbz]

This thread makes me sick. Why do we do things like this to each other?

 

[phosphor112]

Are there other photos of that second pic? there is some CRAZY perspective shit going on with that large building... I'm not saying it's shopped, but it looks extremely wrong in that pic.

I'll buy you a ticket so you can see how wrong it looks in real life too.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Are there other photos of that second pic? there is some CRAZY perspective shit going on with that large building... I'm not saying it's shopped, but it looks extremely wrong in that pic.

blegh

 

[stufte]

I'll buy you a ticket so you can see how wrong it looks in real life too.

Jeez, it looks like some place in Las Vegas. Very sad.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

:'(

 

[j_k_redtail]

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It really is incredibly sad what a couple generations of war can do to a country.

 

[AnathemicOne]

That's seriously depressing... somebody already said it but you can put it side to side to a picture of the US in the 60s and it would look exactly the same area.

 

[cdkee]

Reminds me how much I hate the Wahabbi and House of Saud.

Yup. Their hatred of the Turks is evident when you see their wanton destruction of Ottoman historical structures, like the Fortress or even minarets at Medina. It's interesting to see Islamic history by just looking at buildings. In Medina for example you can see the original mosque, then the expansion by the Ummayads and Abbasids, then the Ottomans by their distinct pencil like minaret....then marble and extravagance by Saudis...

edit: this picture is sad and a bit scary TBH
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/AbrajAlBaitin2011Makkah.JPG

 

[dripdripsplash]

1889 source

The Ajyad Fortress was demolished in 2002 to make way for the Las Vegas clock tower.

That was destroyed for a sparkly clock. Truly a shame.