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Alanah Pearce - It's going to get worse
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
If you buy an Xbox I will let you motorboat me.
"Xbox sells new record high in hardware!"
Hudo
Member
I have reached the same conclusion. Let them fuck themselves over.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Hmmm dunno if I agree. They should compare...directly! It's the only way to settle this debate
proandrad
Member
Alanah Pearce is going to get IT worst.
Hudo
Member
Thanks for making me aware.
tommib
Gold Member
We'll always have Nintendo.
Lions Gate
Member
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Seriously though this falls on deaf ears when Nintendo is scoring such profits and many single player games make so much more than the vast majority of live service. Keep budgets under control. Quit wasting time and money and mental energy on DEI culture war nonsense. You will save money, make better games, and get them out faster.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Some people complained but Rise of the Ronin apparently is doing just fine and better than Nioh
Generic
Member
Nintendo charges $60 for 7 years old games.
Fabieter
Member
Word of mouth did alot for it but initially it didn't look to bright.
Gamers ask for ever rising graphical bar.
Imo as long as it doesn't look the same I don't give a fuck. I think more games should just do some radical art style changes like wind waker did.
I also like shinny things with a new console or a new gpu to try new and older stuff and see how it looks now but this is what kills the industry.
FeralEcho
Member
I was wondering why she has a mushroom on her tits but then i actually took my eyes off of them and realised it's AI generated when I started to pay attention to her long ass thumb on the barframe or the unnatural mouth or the fact her left tit extends over her arm like it wants to escape or the fact that her hair is conjoined with her armpit somehow lmao
I'm genuinely surprised to see so many people fooled by AI on an enthusiast forum like GAF...
I expected more from you GAF
AI is gonna take over the world through tits not robots. It has found humanity's weakness.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
We're all fucked.
I've got no idea how that reply is relevant to what I wrote, but I'm happy to acknowledge that you wrote it.
gaming_again
Member
I'm pretty sure she'd be assigned to a different kind of work.
Lokaum D+
Member
4. Dont make woke shit, Forspoken is DEI game.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
And if you have a pretty face and nice rack, people will give attention.
hououinkyouma00
Member
Get in line lad. We all want to. I've never been involved in a bukkake but there is a first time for everything.
Games of Today
Member
Thank you.
Games of Today
Member
Whaaaat the fuck. Lmao. Damn
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont work in tech and gaming, but something's wrong. You got many companies (the big ones at least who have stock prices) with tons of profit, but they cut studios or outsource stuff to third party teams. Heck, Konami and Capcom just recorded record financials as per recent threads.
The money is there. Gaming industry is humongous. But compared to traditional companies, there's a few things that make them different.
- High cost to make product, which can take years. In the meantime, there can be zero sales or trickle of sales after the front loaded sales are done
- GAAS is a model some gamers dont like. And if the game sucks, everyone avoids it
- Often it seems if a game or studio fails, management right away guts it. They either permanently cut them, or they create a new studio from the ground up to replace them
If you compare to traditional companies.... think of all the giant corporations and no-name local companies that supply shit to Walmart and grocery stores. I dont get the notion tons of people are getting cut, tons of companies shut down, and entire departments get canned after one failed launch or shitty boxes of muffins. Typically, departments are given another chance. Of course, if it's that bad for a long time people get gassed, but you dont get management typically axing an entire building of people and then rehire to fill the building again with all new staff.
The money is there. Gaming industry is humongous. But compared to traditional companies, there's a few things that make them different.
- High cost to make product, which can take years. In the meantime, there can be zero sales or trickle of sales after the front loaded sales are done
- GAAS is a model some gamers dont like. And if the game sucks, everyone avoids it
- Often it seems if a game or studio fails, management right away guts it. They either permanently cut them, or they create a new studio from the ground up to replace them
If you compare to traditional companies.... think of all the giant corporations and no-name local companies that supply shit to Walmart and grocery stores. I dont get the notion tons of people are getting cut, tons of companies shut down, and entire departments get canned after one failed launch or shitty boxes of muffins. Typically, departments are given another chance. Of course, if it's that bad for a long time people get gassed, but you dont get management typically axing an entire building of people and then rehire to fill the building again with all new staff.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It’s not. Sbi had nothing to do with it
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Massive and growing.
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Unrivaledx88
Member
Yall making this sound like politics, like a war is about to break out ,
Just because MS sucks at managing their studios and Employees it’s always been bad for them . The end .
This is just games industry not that serious buy and play games let the companies worry about what they have to handle to keep us buying their games
Just because MS sucks at managing their studios and Employees it’s always been bad for them . The end .
This is just games industry not that serious buy and play games let the companies worry about what they have to handle to keep us buying their games
fart town usa
Member
Unless your were referring to Gamepass, I agree with you.
A good chunk of people/gamers might as well be retarded. The amount of dog piling on the types of games that people claim they want... We know what evil publishers are all about but people support it, cry, and then turn their nose up at a quality alternative because of metacritic or lazy reviews on YT.
Mobilemofo
Member
She's not saying anything new or informative. We all know the state of the industry. It needs reforming, like that scampi that use to be advertised in pubs back in the day.
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fart town usa
Member
Bruh.
The game has easily 100+ hours of content and has no MTX, Season Pass, etc. I have 92 hours in the game and it says I'm 64% done. That's not even counting the different routes you can take with story decisions. The game is a freaking juggernaut in terms of content and gameplay.
It is absolutely worth the $70 USD and the art style is gorgeous. Who gives a F about a horse with a bum leg
. I embrace it and respect the shit out of that horse. Dude is my taxi and a reliable steed.Ronin is a prime example of a game that should absolutely be supported and why gamers are often their own worst enemy.
Saiyan-Rox
Member
I love how threads about her always move to how fit she is and not the topic at hand
And we wonder why there's so many Thots on the internet.
And we wonder why there's so many Thots on the internet.
I would however divebomb my face into that chest like it was a cake and I hadn't eaten in a week
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sendit
Member
It doesn't make it wrong, but it also doesn't shine light on anything new. What exactly is the point of her saying that? To fear monger? FOMO?
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
I absolutely do not get the need for perfect AAA graphics OR some arbitrary length to justify a full price game. If you don't feel it's worth it buy it on discount. I paid $60 for uncharted 1 and never regretted it. A good game is a good game. If it's 10 hours and linear I'll replay it more oftenBruh.
The game has easily 100+ hours of content and has no MTX, Season Pass, etc. I have 92 hours in the game and it says I'm 64% done. That's not even counting the different routes you can take with story decisions. The game is a freaking juggernaut in terms of content and gameplay.
It is absolutely worth the $70 USD and the art style is gorgeous. Who gives a F about a horse with a bum leg
Ronin is a prime example of a game that should absolutely be supported and why gamers are often their own worst enemy.
fart town usa
Member
Absolutely. I generally don't even like open world titles. I bought 3 copies of the new Alone in the Dark at $60 a pop and the game definitely has some jank. Still a solid game though and pretty short by modern standards. I'm more than happy to support quality titles because that's the only way we'll get more of them.
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docchicken
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It is. Less work for more profits is what these companies are chasing. As a matter of principle, "a good product" is just one means to achieving this, and it is demonstrably more costly than spending less money (think subscription services and other passive revenue sources).
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Is it as good as Nioh 2?
tmlDan
Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's this. This is on devs just as much as publishers. Why the fuck did Redfall take 6 years to make after they shipped Prey in 2017? or was it 2018? Either way, 5-6 years for one game is ridiculous.
Every developer wants to make 50-100 hour games. Who the fuck asked Horizon FW to be 100 hours? Not gamers. We want longer games, yes, but no one wants a 100 hour game.
I was reading reports that Tango was getting ready to pitch hifi rush 2, and arkhane was thinking about pitching prey 2 or dishonred 3. Im sorry, but you guys shipped a game 12-16 months ago and you STILL HAVENT begun work on the next game? If studios cost 10-20 million per year then you've just burned through that much money doing nothing. Game dev on Hifi Rush 2 or Dishonored 2 shouldve begun the day the other game shipped. thats how things used to be back in the day when they were releasing a game every 2 years.
Now everyone just sits around jerking each other off for for the first 2-3 years before realizing they have to ship a game and then rush out some copy pasta trash like Bioware did with Anthem.
EA didnt shut down Bioware after Anthem flopped after a 7 year dev cycle. But Dragon Age Dreadwolf which supposedly began dev 10 years ago and had the Anthem team move over is still not been shown. All we got was a teaser showing three stills. We are 5+ years after Anthem, and 10+ years after Dragon Age Inquisition and this is it? 3 scenes? I would fire them all too.
Dragon Age Inquisition was the first of these nonsense 100 hour games. hinterlands alone had 20 hours of content and that was a prologue. There were PSAs posted telling players to leave hinterlands. Everyone since has followed suit. Why? Why the fuck is GOW ragnorak 40 hours long in story mode? 80 if you do everything. make the story 15-20 hours and add another 15 hours of side content and move the fuck on.
Cory has been working on a new IP since April 2018. it's been 6 years. We havent seen anything. How much money has he burned through? Id fire him too. bend has shown a logo, a single logo, in 5 years. Id shut them down too, but before i do that id slap the studio head just to make an example of incompetence and poor management.
docchicken
Member
It literally is. The issues gaming companies (and virtually every major company integrated into the massive supply chain involved with computing especially) are facing today objectively exist. Shrinking profit margins are not solely the cause of ideas. For this post, I will not go into that. You're more than capable of doing so.
What ms faces can be summarized by this: If you ran a company and you had the option of hiring almost no workers or very expensive (to your bottom line) workers with the capability of making a good product, you would surely pick the less risky option. This is where we are.
FunkMiller
Member
There's clearly a very bad problem with time, personnel and money management at a lot of game devs. Quite why, and who's fault it is, is anyone's guess. I know some will be tempted to scream it's all down to wokeness, or some such, but that kind of thing doesn't give you the kinds of delays you're talking out.
Obviously at some point, there was a major breakdown in how game devs function and operate on a day to day basis. I'd suggest a lot of that has to do with the executives demanding they make games they hate, for less money, less time, and less room for creativity. But the management style at a lot of major game devs is clearly way too lax.
From Software don't seem to be affected by it. In fact the Japanese devs don't seem to have the same issue at all. Feels like corporate America has allowed far too much bullshit for far too long, from far too many waste of space higher ups.
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tmlDan
Member
But that's not inherently true, the risk regardless in gaming is very high. If you spend 7 years making a massive game and it bombs regardless of mtx or not its actually a bigger risk than a small game from a smaller studio that nets out a tiny profit. If MS wanted a safe bet on permanent growth they'd get out of gaming as a whole, there are far better industries that they can dominate in (cloud servers is one of them) that they can invest heavier into.
The only good bet is COD, so why not shut the rest down by your logic? Starfield did well but it damaged their reputation and Todd Howard is getting old, there's a high chance their next game is a disaster.
fart town usa
Member
Never played the Nioh games but you better believe I will at some point this year. I've slept on TN for far too long. Last game of theirs I played was NG on the DS.
Ronin has two fatal flaws IMO that has kept people on the fence.
1. Open world is nothing special so that turns open world fans off.
2. Team Ninja diehards like linear levels that are constant action, so they get bored by the open world.
For me it's a perfect blend of deep action mechanics and chill exploration. The game also rewards the shit out of you by simply playing the game. Around 80 hours in I realized that the game is everything that FFXVI should have been. Ronin at its core is honestly a new type of JRPG but it took a while for me to realize it.
One of those games I completely understand if people don't like but man, it just keeps opening up the more I play and the content in it and way things are streamlined is brilliant but you'll only notice it if you really settle in and play the game for a lengthy period of time.
It's my personal GOTY for 2024, nothing else comes close right now.
It's a wild mix of character action/mass effect/JRPG/Diablo (weapons and gear). One of those games like BOTW where it takes on new meaning every 20 hours or so.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
So probably not as good as Nioh 2. Nioh 2 also in it's own way rewards you for playing the game so that's a plus for Ronin. If Ronin comes to PC ever I'll support it. Sounds like a chill game. Would you say Ronin is more similar to Dragon's Dogma? If so it might be a good time.Never played the Nioh games but you better believe I will at some point this year. I've slept on TN for far too long. Last game of theirs I played was NG on the DS.
Ronin has two fatal flaws IMO that has kept people on the fence.
1. Open world is nothing special so that turns open world fans off.
2. Team Ninja diehards like linear levels that are constant action, so they get bored by the open world.
For me it's a perfect blend of deep action mechanics and chill exploration. The game also rewards the shit out of you by simply playing the game. Around 80 hours in I realized that the game is everything that FFXVI should have been. Ronin at its core is honestly a new type of JRPG but it took a while for me to realize it.
One of those games I completely understand if people don't like but man, it just keeps opening up the more I play and the content in it and way things are streamlined is brilliant but you'll only notice it if you really settle in and play the game for a lengthy period of time.
It's my personal GOTY for 2024, nothing else comes close right now.
It's a wild mix of character action/mass effect/JRPG/Diablo (weapons and gear). One of those games like BOTW where it takes on new meaning every 20 hours or so.
You also wouldn't have video games as an industry at all without capitalism, so its ultimately a meaningless criticism. I think the ACTUAL proper blame that means something is blaming the corporatism of modern video games, which has become way too inflated in recent years. I think what will ultimately happen is a course-correction, these publishers are going to continue to hemorrhage money and staff for a few more years most likely and there's going to be a bigger focus on smaller projects. This is exactly what happened to Hollywood in the 60s-70s when the big budget movies started to absolutely spiral out of control in losses and forced a course-correction that lead to many cult classic, low budget, indie-esque movies in the 70s, 80s, 90s, etc. Thats what actual capitalism is as well. Its not just the evil of the world like a lot of pseudo-intellects like to act like how it is. It adjusts to market demand, which is growing tired of the GaaS shit right now.
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
I have started putting the huge ones on the back burner. Like I thought rebirth at launch and still gotta get to it while I enjoy a nice 20-30 hour journey in stellar blade that could be shorter with mainlining it
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yep. There was an article recently about the google CEO telling their employees that this is a business. I feel like valve, google and most video game devs treat their firms like a hippie playground where they are all doing their own thing singing kumbaya until they are 6 months from launch and freak out. In almost every GG, ND and SSM documentary, they talk about how rookie devs can go up to directors and share their ideas with them. Great. Until you realize you have gone way out of scope and that dude didnt do the one job you had assigned him to do. Cory repeatedly talked about how he had to fight and justify every single decision he made on GOW 2018. Why? hes the director. Imagine James Cameron, Tarantino and Christopher Nolan getting pushback from their DPs, stuntmen, cameramen, editors and actors. NO! STFU. Go back to your desk and code, bitch.
It's no surprise to me that Christopher Nolan has made three movies since 2017 while Cory and neil druckmann have released only one game. Movies are far more complex to make than these same PS3 era games these devs are pushing out. These guys dont know how to manage projects, their underlings and dont have the discipline themselves. Neil abandoned his team to go work on the show for 2 years before he was forced to return by Sony. You cant even blame the devs here because they were told to work on a shitty remake for 2 years. Five years wasted on Factions, sure, thats on ND devs, but Neil has been the studio head since 2020 so the buck stops with him.
I think all the studios that closed recently including non ms studios is that they came way late in development without gamers having a f clue what these games really are, it may work for some major releases like fallout, the elder scrolls, Capcom and some other games I can't think of but that's the reality we're living.
To reach a common ground between studios and us I think listening isn't sufficient anymore as thinking like us, for example,
The scale of all games in development count from 1 to 10, they are way varied than what gamers actually want, that's not what they want and they won't hear from any of them "consumers" this stuff is unnecessary, that would be very helpful to publishers if they discovered this way earlier in development but that doesn't happen unfortunately.
To reach a common ground between studios and us I think listening isn't sufficient anymore as thinking like us, for example,
The scale of all games in development count from 1 to 10, they are way varied than what gamers actually want, that's not what they want and they won't hear from any of them "consumers" this stuff is unnecessary, that would be very helpful to publishers if they discovered this way earlier in development but that doesn't happen unfortunately.