Kenneth Haight
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This is a crazy statistic if true
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Almost 19% of Japanese people in their 20s have spent so much money on gacha they struggled with covering living expenses, survey reveals
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Aenima
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Japan and China are the biggest gacha wales. Looking at the gacha monthly revenues, some games make more money from china or japan alone compared to the global version of the game. This is probably why chinese gacha games has the worst drop rates, compared to for Korean games where they have drop rates 4 to 8 times higher.JP bros and sisters, you need to have more self-control...
Unknown Soldier
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Money doesn't matter anyways, waifus are forever
GrandlyBodacious
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Predatory models need to fall out of style but won't without regulation as they're so profitable.
Yes, the people without self-control are responsible for their finances, but the business model itself is pretty despicable and shares part of the blame. Games are engineered to be as addictive as possible.
Yes, the people without self-control are responsible for their finances, but the business model itself is pretty despicable and shares part of the blame. Games are engineered to be as addictive as possible.
Sebastian1295
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I put this on the person themselves and not entirely on the companies that use a gacha system. If you're a grown man/woman and you choose to waste all of your money on gacha games to the point that you can't pay your rent or pay for food, then that's on you because you're a grown adult who should get there priorities in order. Gacha games are 100% predatory and i don't support them at all just like i don't support gambling in any form 'maybe if u wanna gamble in vegas for fun one time then sure but otherwise no' but it's up to the individual to control themselves.
vodka-bull
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I had to google what gacha even is.
I'm not surprised by the news though. Japanese cities are designed for introverts, of course some of them lose themself in games.
I'm not surprised by the news though. Japanese cities are designed for introverts, of course some of them lose themself in games.
falling into hell
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I think it's money well spent. Save on food not on your waifus.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I just read today that 60% of the people who went to Coachella did so on pay later plan, and you know all their travel was on a credit card.
I guess that might be marginally better because the idiot zoomers are paying for an experience as opposed to worthless digital trinket lotteries, but still, totally grim.
I guess that might be marginally better because the idiot zoomers are paying for an experience as opposed to worthless digital trinket lotteries, but still, totally grim.
StreetsofBeige
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The dumb thing is for anyone who needs to go on debt and cant pay it off right away at next month's invoice, a CC is the worst thing to use as it'll probably be an annualized 20+% interest charge.
A much better thing is to borrow money on line of credit (LoC), probably pay 7% (whatever it is now for the avg person), and a person will save on interest % by at least 10%. You could literally borrow money on LoC, dump in your bank account, pay off credit card (overpaying so you got a credit balance) and any charges to a CC card go against that. Then pay off the LoC at its cheaper rate.
Banks will give LoC accounts to just about anyone. I got offered $50,000 of LoC when I first moved out on my own. That was more than my salary at the time. I still got them as dormant accounts as they go cold if you dont use them for 6 or 12 months. Safety accounts to use just in case.
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GrandlyBodacious
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I just want a good RPG game that has randomized or otherwise varying party recruitment for each run without being a part of the game's monetary model.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was/is awesome for this. Each run gives players the gacha mechanic and excitement without having to pay (extra than the game's price) for it.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was/is awesome for this. Each run gives players the gacha mechanic and excitement without having to pay (extra than the game's price) for it.
StreetsofBeige
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The worst is when you see those pics of grown ass adults sitting stone cold in front of a pachinko machine all night watching all those marbles drop. That's their form of entertainment. wtf
Unknown Soldier
Member
You should visit Las Vegas sometime
It's tough issue for me. I believe in personal freedom and have enjoyed casino/sports gambling throughout the years and it's never been an issue. Was a good mid to high stakes poker player before Black Friday and wish poker had taken the cultural place that sports betting has today.
These gacha games are just objectively worse though. Completely designed to go right after your dopamine receptors. It wouldn't be the worst thing if the Japanese government cracked down on these games are at least tightly regulated them.
These gacha games are just objectively worse though. Completely designed to go right after your dopamine receptors. It wouldn't be the worst thing if the Japanese government cracked down on these games are at least tightly regulated them.
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awwr999999
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It's different. Most gacha users don't spend any money while the average Fortnite user spends >$100 USD annually.
Gacha games are ruinous to a relatively small subset of users while Fortnite's poised to be ruinous to console gaming platforms.
PlayStation, Switch and Xbox shouldn't have provided Fortnite the means to grow its user base.
Consoles serve as temporary hosts for parasitic sub-platforms, providing a safe place for them to grow while HW prices are still relatively high.
When (not If) HW prices drop low enough these sub-platforms will leave their hosts and launch ultra cheap ARM boxes - taking most of their users from across platforms with them.
It's not hard to see users shelling out for a cheap Epic box that allows them the freedom to sell their PS5 or Switch and spend the difference on MTX.
Epic can sweeten that deal by giving users back 2x whatever they spend on the HW as in-game currency.
Consoles are too myopic to pass up the short term money and block these types of games now while HW prices are preventing this type of balkanization.
If PlayStation and Nintendo both charged Epic 70% (instead of 30) now it still wouldn't be enough to offset losing users in the future to an Epic console.
No BBC=Anger
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I suspect a percentage of any population anywhere is susceptible to gambling, drugs, excessive drinking etc. Maybe some brains are just wired differently. It looks like an issue that's never going away anytime soon.
Liopleurodon
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I spent hundreds of hours playing Honkai Impact 3rd - fun gameplay, plus amazing story with wonderful character development.
I am playing with Japanese voices, and most characters are voiced by legendary seiyu - their perfomances are honestly god level, authentic, believable, and full of emotions.
It completely changed my opinion of gacha games.
I have yet to spend a cent on it.
I am playing with Japanese voices, and most characters are voiced by legendary seiyu - their perfomances are honestly god level, authentic, believable, and full of emotions.
It completely changed my opinion of gacha games.
I have yet to spend a cent on it.
MrCunningham
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Gacha game devs be like: "We Gacha yen, Japan!"
Japan is an incredibly deprived society.
Japan is an incredibly deprived society.
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Londo
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I don't even know if ludopathy is a word in Japan, probably is one of the many shameful aspects of their society that is constantly swiped under the rug.
They have just remodeled a betting shop near my office, I saw big TV screens standing on the boardwalk waiting to be installed, shiny betting machines, chromed chairs, luxury sofas, and huge decals full of happy men and women on their store windows.
All those marketing mechanisms tailored to make you stay as long as you can in these things.. It makes me sad, honestly.
They have just remodeled a betting shop near my office, I saw big TV screens standing on the boardwalk waiting to be installed, shiny betting machines, chromed chairs, luxury sofas, and huge decals full of happy men and women on their store windows.
All those marketing mechanisms tailored to make you stay as long as you can in these things.. It makes me sad, honestly.
Cyberpunkd
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This. I could imagine even if you are Japanese the mind-numbness of killing yourself to get to university, just so that when graduating with honors you can get a shit pay job in a corporation and then work every day of pointless reports that everyone uses to justify being busy is too much.
Cyberpunkd
Member
I am really annoyed sports betting is so big in France, you have more ads in the metro than you do of alcohol and other things. Always the same shit PSG football betting. Bro, any betting is algorithmically designed to make you lose in the long run.
Felessan
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I whale from time to time, it's just a matter of setting clear goals and restriction - like pulling only clear meta winners or chars I really like with limit of 500$ per month.I'm in that ballpark with my mtx spending per month, tbh (okay, maybe I'm a bit higher than the JP bros), but I've never whaled in any of the gachas I'm playing or have played. I'd rather miss out on the character and/or sig weapon than whale since that's a slippery slope.
Same rules apply to SP game purchases - I buy games I intend to play (no hoarding for "maybe") with total limit shared with whaling.
Given that average spending is 30$, many of those who spend living expense money just have no money at all. And having no money is a huge stress so it's understandable that they seek a way to escape reality. And gacha is for sure better way than alcohol etc.
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Felessan
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It's already heavy regulated
But as you can't stop people from binge drinking all their money (even ban would not help), same way you can't stop people spending all their money on pulls
Problem should be fixed at core (why people try to escape reality in cheap shots of euphoria) that is a complex and often unsolvable matter
diffusionx
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wrong thread
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