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you sold your 4080 for 9070 xt ? why ?
Buggy Loop
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Topher
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No, I sold my 4080 last year for a gaming laptop for gaming while traveling, but that didn't work out like I thought it would so I returned the laptop. Worked out though as I used the money to upgrade both my GPU and CPU.
Holy shit I didn't know he had a 4080 Super
What a weird choice to switch
It would be if that is what I did, but it isn't.
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Buggy Loop
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Ah ok. Good for you.
Gaming laptop, did it end up sounding like a jet engine with so so performances I guess? I also gave up on that concept.
Topher
Identifies as young
Exactly right. Loud as hell and not the performance I was expecting at all. It was also a "4080", but in name only.
StereoVsn
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Laptop 4080 is basically desktop 4070 but power limited.
And yeah, gaming laptop shenanigans is why I wound up just getting 14” MBPro as a personal laptop and basically settled playing some strategy games and doing emulation. As a bonus it’s pretty damn good at running local AI models all things considered.
Topher
Identifies as young
I almost went with the Macbook, but got a good deal on a 4070 laptop which will handle light gaming. I paid $2k for the 4080 laptop and it just wasn't worth it. I used that money to rebuild my PC and get a the 4070 laptop. Laptop prices are wonky as hell.
Here isTopher if he were young...or attractive...or a woman...or had any worthwhile skills...or friends...or wasn't a dreg on society.
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b0uncyfr0
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Well I did it
Got me a asrock steel legend 9070xt.
The only problem now is the vertical mounting I'm going to do. These vertical heatpipes are so problematic when they don't get enough airflow.
Hopefully I didn't waste 900 euros. If I have to undervolt to get it under 95 degrees, so be it.
Got me a asrock steel legend 9070xt.
The only problem now is the vertical mounting I'm going to do. These vertical heatpipes are so problematic when they don't get enough airflow.
Hopefully I didn't waste 900 euros. If I have to undervolt to get it under 95 degrees, so be it.
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ValiantInstance
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Unless you're an esport player gaming laptops are totally pointless. Get a desktop and then have a Steam Deck or Switch for on the go.
And yeah the ARM Macbooks are incredible. I've got a 2022 Air and it's the best laptop I've ever owned.
CrustyBritches
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I have the same card. I’m loving it, but it gets really hot at default tuning. I tested Cyberpunk at 1440p, high/ultra, path tracing on, FSR4 Perf in the busy downtown area causing mayhem. Frame rate is 60-70fps. Hits 105C hotspot. With -95 undervolt it will hover between 94-97C. The core clock is running 3.05-3.1GHz the whole time in that area. Temps seem high compared to other cards I’ve seen.
I’m using a Thermaltake Tower 300 case and it’s basically hanging from the top of the case. I haven’t finished adding fans, notably to the bottom to direct air toward the top where 2 x 140mm fans are. Don’t know how much that affects things. I’m getting a bunch of case fans soon so I’ll update.
Hopefully you’ll be able to hit your target hotspot temp.
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DenchDeckard
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Really tempted to buy the nitro plus for now and see if I can bag a 5090 later or 6090 then I'll give the 9070xt to my daughter or something. Looks like a sexy card and I want to support Amd
b0uncyfr0
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I have the same card. I’m loving it, but it gets really hot at default tuning. I tested Cyberpunk at 1440p, high/ultra, path tracing on, FSR4 Perf in the busy downtown area causing mayhem. Frame rate is 60-70fps. Hits 105C hotspot. With -95 undervolt it will hover between 94-97C. The core clock is running 3.05-3.1GHz the whole time in that area. Temps seem high compared to other cards I’ve seen.
I’m using a Thermaltake Tower 300 case and it’s basically hanging from the top of the case. I haven’t finished adding fans, notably to the bottom to direct air toward the top where 2 x 140mm fans are. Don’t know how much that affects things. I’m getting a bunch of case fans soon so I’ll update.
Hopefully you’ll be able to hit your target hotspot temp.
Oh awesome - looking forward to the update!
My FT02 already has insane airflow, and since the steel legend is under 300 mm - ill be able to house all 3 180mm fans at the bottom. I'm hoping that really helps bring the hotspot down.
CrustyBritches
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That’s a nice case. We have the same mobo/GPU orientation. I think those bottom fans are going to make a huge difference for you compared to what I have. I got the barebones version of the Tt 300, so I only got the 2 x 140mm fans on top. Gonna add a 140mm on bottom and 3 x 140mm on the opposite side wall to the GPU. Might even have to put a 80-90mm fan right under the GPU.
I’m seeing mostly around 92C hotspot from people with the Steel Legend XT. I don’t know if they’re using something as heavy as path traced Cyberpunk downtown killing rampage style like I did.
Really looking forward to your results. My case fans don’t arrive until the 24th.
P.S.- Out of curiosity I just ran default/stock settings and successfully passed 3dmark Steel Nomad Stress Test DX12. It does 20 consecutive loops of the benchmark with no pause. Watching the overlay the card averaged about 100C hotspot temp. I'm not too worried now. With slight undervolt and case fans that will be much lower.
Best single run I've had after tweaking is 7295. Not too far off. That's right in the wheelhouse of the some of the better 5070 Ti/4080 Super + 5800x3d scores. Top 50% for 9070 XT.
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ValiantInstance
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I managed to get a -160 undervolt on Time Spy for the benchmark thread. In general play though, specifically GTA5, I can't really go below -50 without driver crashes.
Maybe other games are different but I'm happy leaving it at -50 with an overclock for long term use.
Maybe other games are different but I'm happy leaving it at -50 with an overclock for long term use.
ValiantInstance
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My best Steel Nomad score last night (single run not stress test)
I scored 7 542 in Steel Nomad
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}
www.3dmark.com
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CrustyBritches
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That's probably a safe bet. At -95 I failed out of the Steel Nomad Stress Test on the 13th loop. At default it does fine. I'll probably stick with your -50.
Best I can pull is a 7327. I'm using Adrenaline and I don't see anywhere to increase Power Limits. Sitting at ~300W. My VRAM doesn't OC pretty much at all. Maybe if I use GPU Tweak or Afterburner with higher Power Limit I can do better. I should probably just take what I can get and go back to gaming.My best Steel Nomad score last night (single run not stress test)
I scored 7 542 in Steel Nomad
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}
I scored 7 327 in Steel Nomad
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT x 1, 65536 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}
www.3dmark.com
ValiantInstance
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Yeah I'm a beginner at this so apart from doing some dick measuring in the Time Spy thread I'm just looking for a nice setting to leave it on to get some extra juice out of my card. I won't be changing the undervolt for different games. I'm probably now pushing 25%+ performance over my 7900XT reference that I sold.That's probably a safe bet. At -95 I failed out of the Steel Nomad Stress Test on the 13th loop. At default it does fine. I'll probably stick with your -50.
Best I can pull is a 7327. I'm using Adrenaline and I don't see anywhere to increase Power Limits. Sitting at ~300W. My VRAM doesn't OC pretty much at all. Maybe if I use GPU Tweak or Afterburner with higher Power Limit I can do better. I should probably just take what I can get and go back to gaming.
I scored 7 327 in Steel Nomad
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT x 1, 65536 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}
Ah I'm guessing you don't have an OC card? I have a Nitro+ so it's now pulling 360W at full load through that 12 pin. If it went any higher than that I'd have reservations about overclocking but I think anything under 400W should be stable.
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CrustyBritches
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Oh yeah, I just have a normal 9070 XT. You're lucky, man. That Nitro+ is one of the nicest cards I've ever seen. The hidden 12-pin design with the cable slack is ingenious. Mine just uses 2 x 8-pin PCIe cables. Grateful for what I have, though. I'm loving the white color design with honeycomb RGB logo on top. 9070 XT just shreds at 1440p.
ValiantInstance
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Oh yeah I love it, you have to go looking for cables in my case now it looks so clean.
You're definitely well set for 1440p. In fact it's almost overkill. I'm playing in 4K so I could do with the power bump.
Corporal.Hicks
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9070XT vs 5070ti round two
winjer
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b0uncyfr0
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CrustyBritches
So i spent the last 8 hours playing with my card.In regards to the vertical mounting, im afraid its not good news. Its just as bad as a 7800xt - in my case, i tried with the middle fan installed and removed, it made almost no difference. The card is just too long and gravity f**ks with those vertical heatpipes. Just for shits n gigs, i flipped the case on its side and hotspot dropped 15 degrees. So even with a ton of airflow, its still trouble
The good news is i got a good undervolter. I can pass Steel Nomad with Power +0 , -100 v, +25 offset and 2800 memory. That gives me a 7350 score. The hotspot there in gaming doesnt go over 90, memory stays around 85 and the gpu itself is around 60.
It took me a while to get there though, i was testing with +10% power all the time and the hotspot was in the low 100's, it was too much. Then i tested with default power and realised i could get 99% of the performance and keep everything cool
My best run with max power and a good undervolt was only 7500. So, Its definitely not worth the extra 10 degree's on the hotspot and memory.
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Bojji
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5xxx seem to have driver problems. Nvidia really rushed this launch...
But driver related problems are there on both cards, some weird fucking results...
And RT performance in GTA:
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Glad to hear you were able to get the hotspot down with the undervolt. This is my first time using a case with a vertical GPU orientation and I didn’t realize it would affect temps so much. I have 4 case fans coming on Monday, so hopefully that will help. If I could hit the same 90C mark you got I would be happy. It’s fun to push the cards a little bit for benchmarks, but it’s not worth it for an extra 2-5%.
In regards to the vertical mounting, im afraid its not good news. Its just as bad as a 7800xt - in my case, i tried with the middle fan installed and removed, it made almost no difference. The card is just too long and gravity f**ks with those vertical heatpipes. Just for shits n gigs, i flipped the case on its side and hotspot dropped 15 degrees. So even with a ton of airflow, its still trouble
The good news is i got a good undervolter. I can pass Steel Nomad with Power +0 , -100 v, +25 offset and 2800 memory. That gives me a 7350 score. The hotspot there in gaming doesnt go over 90, memory stays around 85 and the gpu itself is around 60.
It took me a while to get there though, i was testing with +10% power all the time and the hotspot was in the low 100's, it was too much. Then i tested with default power and realised i could get 99% of the performance and keep everything cool
My best run with max power and a good undervolt was only 7500. So, Its definitely not worth the extra 10 degree's on the hotspot and memory.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
b0uncyfr0
I bought the horizontal case stand for the ThermalTake 300. At default settings using Steel Nomad it dropped my max hotspot temp from 96C to 86C just by putting it on it's side.
That's wild. Tested Cyberpunk 1440p with Path Tracing and -50 undervolt and got similar results, dropping from 96C to 86C max hotspot. This is without the new case fans I bought. I still like the look of the case in the vertical orientation. Just looks cooler(although it isn't) and takes up less desktop space.
Soodanim
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Every time I see this thread bumped I think it's because of a restock post. One day I won't be disappointed.
When I get mine I'll probably just go for a modest undervolt and leave it at that. I love efficiency to the point that I was tempted by the base 9070 until I saw how well the XT undervolts.
When I get mine I'll probably just go for a modest undervolt and leave it at that. I love efficiency to the point that I was tempted by the base 9070 until I saw how well the XT undervolts.
winjer
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“Of course, everyone likes a very high-end GPU, but not so many people can access it. The 9070 XT has been a fantastic success. Actually, it’s the number one seller for all of the AMD Radeon generations for first-week sales by far, by 10x more than previous generations, and we like to see people happy. People are happy with the 9070 XT. […] We are very excited about it and are increasing manufacturing so that more gamers can access it.”
— AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su
StereoVsn
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What’s the chance of the more restock coming at MSRP I wonder. Probably low… at least until Nvidia has 5070Ti available for under $900/€1000.
PeteBull
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Indeed, here in poland 9070/xt stock is there, just really badly priced, cheapest 9070 in massive online store is:
https://www.morele.net/karta-grafic...-fan-gaming-16gb-gddr6-rx-97swfb3b9-14739182/ so 3249pln aka 844usd
cheapest 9070xt:
https://www.morele.net/karta-grafic...-rx-9070-xt-16gb-gddr6-11348-02-20g-14732576/ 3799pln aka 987usd
MikeM
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I think this quote from her speaks to the fact that the majority of gamers don’t care for the ultra high end. AMD made the right play here.
Topher
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Yep. AMD needs to win market share above all else.
Soodanim
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I think this has the potential to turn the tide in some way. The early success will help put things like "AMD has bad drivers" to bed for good, and FSR4 helps bridge the gap of quality. If they can maintain the momentum for the next release/gen and keep people they've turned from team green, the only way for it to go is an increased market share.
And if that happens we all win.
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rm082e
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They never did. The Nvidia 60, 60 TI, and 70 class cards have always had more buyers than the 80/90 class cards. The top end cards just get all the attention.
AMD is doing exactly what they should be doing. I'm really happy to see it. Hopefully the carve back a nice big share of the gaming GPU market this generation and hold onto it over time.
Gaiff
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If only they could knock down the price of the 9070 by another $50. Far too close to the 9070 XT and make it seem like an upsell.
Boo Who?
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These are incredible 1440p cards. The 9070xt is also perfectly capable of running 4K. I'm using a 1440p UW monitor with my PC and the 9070xt has been fantastic. I'm going to play with the under-volting this weekend.
SolidQ
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Yeah, that why RDNA5 will have only xx80 class. Target 1k$ and mono. About RDNA6 and above there no leaked roadmap currently.
asdasdasdbb
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That was kind of the point though.
If AMD was going to make a GPU cut with $100 difference, they would have cut it further and made it 12 GB. Maybe that SKU will still come and have an MSRP of $499.
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Bojji
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It's like TAA replacement. FSR3 still looked bad in this mode, FSR4 is probably close to DLAA quality.
b0uncyfr0
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Well in CP77, it definitely looks better than 1440p native.
Bojji
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Quality will depend on how good or bad in game TAA is.
Soodanim
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I have been waiting for the Sapphire Pulse model to get back in stock.
I have the ability to pre-order a Nitro+ card, which is a jump from base to top tier model.
I know the Nitro+ is well designed with its cabling, but my intention is to undervolt so an OC model seems wasted on me. Visuals are irrelevant as I don't do windowed cases.
Is it worth spending the extra for that model? The temptation is pretty much just to secure a 9070XT, not to have the best model. Nitro+ is £60 more than Pure, which is an unknown amount over the Pulse which has no price showing.
I have the ability to pre-order a Nitro+ card, which is a jump from base to top tier model.
I know the Nitro+ is well designed with its cabling, but my intention is to undervolt so an OC model seems wasted on me. Visuals are irrelevant as I don't do windowed cases.
Is it worth spending the extra for that model? The temptation is pretty much just to secure a 9070XT, not to have the best model. Nitro+ is £60 more than Pure, which is an unknown amount over the Pulse which has no price showing.
ValiantInstance
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Isn't undervolting card dependant, that's the silicon lottery.
My Nitro+ can UV to -160 on Time Spy. -50 is stable in games like GTA 5 Enhanced.
Soodanim
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I'm not looking to go heavy with it, just a modest UV to go some way to matching the brilliant efficiency of the 9070.
Are you happy with your Nitro+? Would you have been happy with a Pulse or was N+ where you were always aiming?
ValiantInstance
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I guess I got lucky because I was only interested in that model, which meant when orders opened they didn't evapourate in seconds like the MSRP models.
I'm very happy with it yeah, the cable management is genius.
I will probably get another Nitro when I build a new pc in a few years.
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