CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Arrowhead Director: “If [DEI] doesn't add to the game experience, it detracts (...) Games should be a pure pursuit of amazing moments”
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PeteBull
Member
Which we know it never does, DEI is forced, we had plenty diveristy in entertainment, and it was always fine, no1 bat an eye, till it became forced, and it lowered actual quality of the products to no1's surprise.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
ComboBongo
Member
I made this exact point on era before the ban
Laptop1991
Member
There's a few of these takes popping up recently, TheGamer just did a 180 about Stellar Blade, PC gamer editor bashes DA Veilguard, i wonder if the penny has dropped here and there lol. wern't seeing these a few months ago!.
Only if you're talking about hiring for Arrowhead. People are talking about characters and representation in games though. Has nothing to do with 'merit' here.Nope, opposite of DEI is Meritocracy:
No bonus points coz of ur skin colour or what u got between ur legs
That is why extremly competetive gaming industry can thrive and correct itselfs despite what some devs/pubs were trying to push, we can punish bad games by not buying them and reward good ones by buying them, simple and effective system that always works
Fake
Member
And people compare that piece of trash with this forum.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
In 99.99% of cases, it doesn't.
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Yeah, I was lurking here when something crazy was going on at the time and I seen folks were matriculating over there for the enrollment process and I did the same. Again, I’m not sure what was going on here but there was Nazis and a lot of dog piling on anyone with a different opinion or perspective on a given topic.
I think I was there less than a week and there was a big topic in gaming discussing racism. They were talking about racism being pervasive in the US and you couldn’t even go to Walmart as a black or brown person without being hunted. When I told them that racism was speckles of over 200 million people and most hate crimes in the US are against the ole Jews and people of color make up the biggest percentage of perpetrators, they went crazy and at first temp banned me and then a perm for being racially insensitive.
This is the only forum on the internets I belong to and go to. I can say what I want here and have actual in depth discussions, good faith debates or not, and keep moving through my day. If I get to far out there I get a nice little message that says to shut the fuck up from some person on here running stuff and the discussions keep moving.
Good place to share ideas and folks are not shy about sharing their opinion. I dig that.
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Fbh
Member
What's funny is that it's a reasonable and logical statement that can be applied to a bunch of different stuff and isn't even attacking DEI in general. Anyone who is reasonable should have a similar view.
DEI in a game like Baldur's Gate 3 can add to the game experience. Since it's an RPG it makes sense to give players as many options as possible to create a character they can identify with. Having a diverse cast in the world also helps keep things varied and since, unlike Veilguard, it's an actual RPG you get to choose how you react to them, how you treat them, if you have them join your party or push them away (or even kill them), etc.
DEI in a game like Helldivers 2 doesn't add to the experience. Some of the faceless, nameless cannon fodder soldiers you play as might be gay or bi or trans or whatever but it's literally irrelevant in the context of the game or what you are doing in it, so focusing on that would feel weird and out of place. Same with the visual customization, Helldivers 2 has been good at keeping a cohesive look for the game so having character start running around with pride flag capes would feel really out of place.
DEI in a game like Baldur's Gate 3 can add to the game experience. Since it's an RPG it makes sense to give players as many options as possible to create a character they can identify with. Having a diverse cast in the world also helps keep things varied and since, unlike Veilguard, it's an actual RPG you get to choose how you react to them, how you treat them, if you have them join your party or push them away (or even kill them), etc.
DEI in a game like Helldivers 2 doesn't add to the experience. Some of the faceless, nameless cannon fodder soldiers you play as might be gay or bi or trans or whatever but it's literally irrelevant in the context of the game or what you are doing in it, so focusing on that would feel weird and out of place. Same with the visual customization, Helldivers 2 has been good at keeping a cohesive look for the game so having character start running around with pride flag capes would feel really out of place.
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PeteBull
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Never had account on rainbow forum for this very reason, i knew i would get banned imediatelly after stating normal sane things that are based in reality and biology, while on era:
CliffBronger
Member
Glancing over the thread on Retardera now.
Those people if they are even people .. are completely retarded the term braindead does not do them justice.
Those people if they are even people .. are completely retarded the term braindead does not do them justice.
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kikii
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
This isn’t gonna go over well with modern woke Sony
Madflavor
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Considering the success of Helldivers 2 and Marvel Rivals, and the catastrophic failure of Concord, I’m not so sure. In terms of popularity and performance, they’re extremely opposite. Concord didn’t just fail, it never even got started. It fell and broke its nose right at the starting line.
I’d have to imagine Sony is paying attention to why those games succeeded and why Concord bombed.
W11d
Member
And it will have zero negative impact on the game success
ChorizoPicozo
Member
need to be rotated 45°nah prolly just some
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
The horror, wanting good games.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Why must every single came cater to "a particular group"?
Can these cretins just stick to playing Dragon Age Veilguard instead of demanding all developers bend over backwards for every miniscule facet of their lives?
AtomicStarving
Member
That place is full of retards and woke dumb fucks. One of the most hateful place on the internet. I remember a former PlayStation CEO saying something and the amount of people there insulting the guy for no reason. It's no wonder that this type of forum only reserves the worst of human beings. Good thing they are getting fucked hard. Cry moreeeee please.
David Ricardo
Member
The fact that he even conceives DEI potentially making the game experience worse is a HUGE signal of non-wokeness.
It´s taboo for wokies to even think about diversity making anything worse
Plague Doctor
Member
Purple Site has a new rule that Helldivers 2 can only be called "The Bug Game" and if you are too much of a fan of it, you may catch a ban.
On topic, yeah.... as has been mentioned before, this is becoming the majority stance and we'll see a lot more devs and executive comfortable of saying things like this. And his point isn't even all that controversial. If something doesn't add to your game, (in this case he is responding to DEI), then it detracts which is pretty common sense.
In 2025, my prediction is one of the major journos will eventually put out the "Did gaming get too weird and preachy?" article and that is the sign the industry has finally sobered up.
On topic, yeah.... as has been mentioned before, this is becoming the majority stance and we'll see a lot more devs and executive comfortable of saying things like this. And his point isn't even all that controversial. If something doesn't add to your game, (in this case he is responding to DEI), then it detracts which is pretty common sense.
In 2025, my prediction is one of the major journos will eventually put out the "Did gaming get too weird and preachy?" article and that is the sign the industry has finally sobered up.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Purple forum is calling him a Nazi.
NeoGAF is embracing him.
Don’t need to jump through hoops to see what he meant.
Jaybe
Member
I’m so thankful this forum exists. And also that Steam forums have pretty open speech and same with Twitter, for the most part. 2024 was a big year for people feeling freer to voice common sense, and it’s really rattling the vocal minority to their core. Looking forward to 2025.
Tajaz2426
Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
Exactly. I can handle being uncomfortable from truths that bother me and make me look inward for change. What I cannot handle is how comfortable some folks are by being untruthful and using their power and perceived station in life to tell me how to live mine. In this place we can freely share ideas and make arguments with sourcing and facts that back things up. People call out BS and you are right, they feel free to share those ideas.
I’m also looking forward to this year and maybe a little normalcy from the 90s and early 2000s will become a thing again where we live our lives, get facts and base our opinions, not shun our family and friends for their beliefs, etc.
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MMaRsu
Member
Pretty sure this game will now be completely annihilated on Reeee Era, where any mention of playing the game will earn you the label of chud, not an ally, literal nazi, etc 
Literal snowflakes. Instead of being open and inclusive like they pretend, any kind of wrong think will get you permabanned.
Agree with the sentiment of the twitter post obviously.
Literal snowflakes. Instead of being open and inclusive like they pretend, any kind of wrong think will get you permabanned.
Agree with the sentiment of the twitter post obviously.
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Physiognomonics
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You mean the only successeful games Sony released this year were coincidentally not following their DEI guidelines?
Jaybe
Member
Pretty sure this game will now be completely annihilated on Reeee Era, where any mention of playing the game will earn you the label of chud, not an ally, literal nazi, etc
Literal snowflakes. Instead of being open and inclusive like they pretend, any kind of wrong think will get you permabanned.
Agree with the sentiment of the twitter post obviously.
It’s funny most of biggest games of this generation, Cyberpunk 2077, Black Myth Wukong, Hogwarts Legacy, and now Helldivers 2, either can’t be discussed or get dogpiled on when mentioned.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
This guy cooked up a feast with my one statement
Bernardougf
Member
This need to see thenselfs represented or acknowledged in everything is really weird... is so much narcissistic... I dont think I ever played a game and thought "welp this characther is cool.. it would be more cool if he was just like me" ... or "well if I dont see a rainbow flag somewhere I cant enjoy this game" ... really really bizarre
Anyway this DEV is absolutely right.. dont do games for everyone, do for a target audience and never add shit that is meaningless and detracts for the quality you want to achieve for said target audience
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
that’s video game employees for ya. Always got to say stuff on social media.
Lol. Love it.
Lol. Love it.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
BigBeauford
Member
"The guy who made my favorite and most played game of the year just said DEI gets in the way of making a great game"!
The irony is so damn rich, these idiots are about 1 brain cell away from actually getting it.
The irony is so damn rich, these idiots are about 1 brain cell away from actually getting it.
Dick Jones
Banned
The number of people in this thread who can't read the first word of his quote is frightening.
neocycle
Member
Off the top of my head: Trans flags and Trans face paint in Horizon.
Honey Bunny
Member
We desperately need more people in authority saying this.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Easier said than done.
In 2024 tons of big corporations are shutting down discriminatory DEI policies. But that's easier to do when a small vocal group at the company pushes it and nobody else cares. They push it for PR brownie pts like changing their logo to rainbow for Pride month and then change it back July 1. The push is for more sales. When there's backlash, they change. The products rarely have a political slant unless they go out of their way to do it (Bud Light), so workers treat the products respectfully as something to sell, make some money and the company survives. Gaming is different (incl media as a whole) as you got a ton of creative types bringing in their home life crisis views into the product or plot. You cant do that selling garden hoses or an Epson printer.
In gaming, you got so many more wokeish employees who got it ingrained in their mindset. So right off the bat, you got way more weird people making a product with personal politics, which are cemented by their wacky social media tweets. What also makes it tougher to change too is it seems they dont care if sales tank and studios shut down. So they are willing to go down with the ship.
Think of it like Japanese Kamikaze pilots (I bring it up since I've been watching cool WWII YT videos lately on Historigraph). Once they get orders and a mindset to go down in flames not giving a shit, there's nothing anyone can really do to change them except wait it out and hope they thin out over time. Or the leader tells them to stop. Japan ran out of pilots, planes and gave up. So it stopped.
But for gaming, as long as there's endless reinforcements, leaders who green light it, and seemingly endless buckets of money studios can get to make games, then DEI-ish games wont stop any time soon.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Eurogamer didn't even put Wukong in their top 50 games of the year yet put garbage like DA:V at number 6
ZoukGalaxy
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laynelane
Member
I only made it through the first page - it's the usual hive mind vitriol as expected. The one person who made an astute observation (about common sense) was permanently banned. I know Era has had an impact on some games over the years and that's another thing I hope to see changing. All the criticisms towards activists/woke/DEI in gaming are perfectly encapsulated in that place.
I only know there was this face paint you can choose to wear or not.
But this is like looking at this flag in CyberPunk2077:
and saying CDPR and "all Polish studios are infested with trans activists". Overreact much?
Kataploom
Gold Member
I'm gonna be honest, in excited about having future now that the madness is ending, finally we can have great games that don't focus on that BS, I started avoiding western games like a plague and it's been working wonders this year but sometimes I need something more realistic between important releases and haven't had that, I played almost all western games I was interested in already, I'm hopping the best for movies and games
Moriarty1889
Member
The purple haired weirdos over at Reeee are completely insane. Calling the devs Nazis and F bombing many comments with their hatred towards them. Hive mind and insanity go hand in hand over there.
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FunkMiller
Banned
They're all incredibly angry for one reason, and one reason only:
It absolutely destroys them that they are not the majority. That they do not represent the gaming market.
They've been gaslit by games companies, forum mods, and social media to believe that they were. But all actual evidence points to the exact opposite being the case.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Political views in public are a hard thing to change because it shows the world you're two faced. And in political topics that's bad because it tells everyone your analytical mindset on ethics, religion, policies etc..... just did a U-turn. So people in public view have to stick with it or else people will laugh at them, or their current supporters will criticize them for changing.
You never know, maybe the Eurogamer/DF crew love those games. But they cant admit defeat or else it looks bad as youre now cheering for something you hated.
In other things in life, nobody gives a shit if you flip flop because other things arent so serious. And the avg joe changing his mind on something is private. He's not trying to sway the public on the internet. So nobody cares if Bob switches political parties to save taxes.
Closest thing I can think of looking odd is someone rooting for a sports team, and then suddenly roots for the rival instead years later. You dont get that much as I think most sports fans stick to their team forever. But if a Bears fan switched to Packers, or a Leafs fans switched to Habs, it would be ripe for embarrassing the guy.
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