HerjansEagleFeeder
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Nope. Do you?We know what enough is for Nintendo? Microsoft?
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As Microsoft and Sony target PC and mobile to grow their audiences, what does that mean for the future of the console? - GIBiz Opinion By Chris Dring
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I found a comment by John Linneman (Eurogamer) really interesting. He's not suggesting that this is what they're going to do, but they could make the next Xbox compatible with PC games. Since Windows is in-house, they'd create a streamlined version and provide a nice interface (like Steam OS). They'd provide games through a traditional Store / PC Game Pass, but could allow apps to be installed or provide support for things like Steam. This would then allow them to leverage not just their own games, but also the rest of the PC marketplace. Through maybe a customised version of DirectX, it could tells games that they're running on an Xbox and tailor settings and their experiences accordingly. Given where the industry is heading, I've definitely heard of crazier things but I really think this one shows genuine promise. Of course, I hate to say it but I don't have enough faith in Microsoft currently to execute this well enough to reach this goal. Still, they could always surprise me
Fabieter
Member
They will be just an app in 15 years. There is no reason for hardware to exist if the only advantage of said hardware is the price. At that point kill the hardware and make it streaming only.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They'll force a lot of us to touch grass in our twilight years. Nice.
Fabieter
Member
I mean for profitability its also the only way to stop piracy.
Topher
Identifies as young
Why do you believe that lack of growth means the market for consoles no longer exists? And it doesn't make sense to lump in "both" when cleary PlayStation has much more of sustainable market than Xbox.
If that were the case then they wouldn't have to sell their games on Steam.
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Hohenheim
Member
Nothing is dying, but the industry is changing. Like it's always done.
As for the consoles, it seems to be very little growth - but the marked share that prefer to play videogames on a console is obviously still a huge part, even though it's not growing.
But like always in this industry: it's all doom and gloom and rainy days for many enthusiasts.
As for the consoles, it seems to be very little growth - but the marked share that prefer to play videogames on a console is obviously still a huge part, even though it's not growing.
But like always in this industry: it's all doom and gloom and rainy days for many enthusiasts.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Especially when only 1 out of the 3 is actually in the negative growth for consoles.
ManaByte
Banned
There’s a ceiling of the number of people who will pay $500 for a plastic box to play games on. Growth is flat because we’ve been at that ceiling for a decade now. Unless companies make more modest budget AA games like Helldivers, the current industry trajectory of $300M games is not sustainable with the available audience for the consoles. That’s why everyone is looking at streaming and PC now to recoup development costs.
Spirit Icana
Member
Hahhaha!!!! I actually read the article. The first line is a bit deceiving. He largely evaluates what has happened the last few years, and he acknowledges what Nintendo has done with software that is dependent on hardware that couldn't be as easily duplicated on a phone or PC. The opinion piece doesn't really commit to any declaration.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The boxes are still a main driver for all their services and software. Do they want to expand, sure, growth is business 101, but without said boxes, say goodbye to most if not all AAA investment. There's a reason nobody dares make AAA single player exclusives for the PC or any other platform not a console.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
The receipts are all there.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah.....but you are still not explaining how the console market evaporates to nothing simply because there is a ceiling. And you just provided the solution to the problem: expansion. Expanding to new markets doesn't make the existing market go away. They will coexist.
Zathalus
Member
Yet the amount actually buying the consoles have not risen since the PS2 days. As for revenue, subs, DLC, and microtransactions make up the far majority of the revenue increases.
Mr Moose
Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Instead of gaslighting, what are you seeing in this opinion piece that the poster below is not seeing?
The receipts are all there.
Explain, please. Curious.
cash_longfellow
Member
It doesn’t mean anything. Console players are still going to buy consoles. Sure a small amount might shift to PC, but I think the majority of players play where they want to play right now, and availability of software on other systems isn’t going to have a large impact on the console space at all.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Step outside the opinion piece and look at the headlines.
The job losses. The need to push for more multi-platform releases. The unsustainable growing AAA budgets. No console growth.
It’s been everywhere. This guy’s just doing a piece on it.
Personally I hope someone disrupts the market in a big way. We need a good shakeup for the overall health of the industry.
I think this push for everything to be bigger and more powerful is just going to continue to send the AAA industry off a cliff.
Don't see consoles going anywhere, the only brand truly struggling is Xbox.
There are definetly business challenges that will require different approaches.
What Sony has been doing is pretty balanced, Helldivers 2 is the perfect example of the diversification they need to achieve to improve growth.
Also as Nintendo demonstrated you can pretty much reinvent yourself without giving up on consoles.
There are definetly business challenges that will require different approaches.
What Sony has been doing is pretty balanced, Helldivers 2 is the perfect example of the diversification they need to achieve to improve growth.
Also as Nintendo demonstrated you can pretty much reinvent yourself without giving up on consoles.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Written by a Nintendo fanboy.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is happening in every industry outside of weapons manufacturing tax dollar laundering.
There is nothing in this actual piece that correlates to any of this. What do you think will happen to the industry with a hypothetical, "all consoles by Nintendo are doomed," which they're not.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I don’t think they’re doomed. But I do think there needs to be big changes, which we are seeing.
What’s certain is that the old way of doing things doesn’t work anymore.
I also think Sony needs to back off this notion that everything needs to be a blockbuster budget.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah......I agree with that, but somehow putting the end of the console as the solution to those problems. That just is not the case.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And that is where the context of the opinion piece fails at.
TransTrender
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Chris Dring
hinch7
Member
Consoles aren't going anywhere. Such a daft take from a industry 'journalist'. There's so much more competition on PC that Sony and MS has to contend with rather than on their own platforms.
Until there's no demand for consoles (don't see that happening any time soon) there will be new hardware.
Until there's no demand for consoles (don't see that happening any time soon) there will be new hardware.
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That isn't about consoles l though. None of the headlines were about consoles except maybe the recent xbox headlines. A lot of job losses were on multiplatform games coming to PC and even mobile. Budgets ballooning are about multiplatform games coming to PC and console. Why paint the industry problems and talking points on consoles specifically? The console ceiling has also not grown for close to 20yrs already and that spanned multiple generations.
graywolf323
Member
exactly, I mean Sony has never sold as many consoles as they did during the PS2 generation yet we’re here on the PS5 and suddenly despite the fact they’re on track for yet another 100+ million console they‘re going to quit?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
WitchHunter
Banned
Video game consoles are doomed… right? | Opinion
Console gaming is dying. If you've been in this business for more than 15 years, you've probably heard a sentence like …www.gamesindustry.biz
What an article about nothing. They don't give you any insight, any data, just some predigested, then regurgitated shit you should somehow consume, but since it holds nothing of value it is devoid of calories.
WitchHunter
Banned
Watch out, GN is ex MS... ... ... Could be MS's sleeper agent.
Topher
Identifies as young
What's that got to do with consoles "dying"?
OverHeat
« generous god »
Console won’t die if they raise the price of there products and stop selling hardware at lost
Seyken
Member
It already happened and we got a lot of it from Insomniac's leaks. Indies and lower budgeted games together with digital distribution have already disrupted the industry. Making a game with a colossal budget is not enough to guarantee sales anymore, since you are not fighting for shelf space in a physical store and making games is more accessible than ever, so you see big publishers getting their asses handed to them by much smaller companies with a fraction of the budget.
The old way of thinking that if you throw enough money at it you can buy your way to good sales numbers is dying.
We have the latest example of this in Helldivers 2. Who could have expected that game to surpass Halo, Destiny 2, Starfield before it launched? You don't think that's disrupting?
Japan and Asia overall have also been thriving ever since the PS4 because they realized that this infinite push towards better and better graphics is unsustainable. Just make a game with good art direction and MOST IMPORTANT, gameplay and the sales will be there. It's some of the occident studios that have yet to get the memo and pivot.
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Killjoy-NL
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Thnx for tl;dr
HeWhoWalks
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lughnasadh123
Member
I do wonder how things would have worked out if it was for Covid and all the hell that snowballed from that. Even as the most basic level you can easily see the mentality of why should I spend 500 bucks (or more!) to get a console with limited exclusive when so much already plays on my PS4? PS5Pro/GTA VI will completely wreck that and we'll see numbers hit closer to what their targets should have been.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
Consoles have multiple downsides compared to PC, but they have 2 advantages. Low cost, streamlined ease of use. They're already going to put most games on PC now, so getting rid of low cost consoles eliminates one of their only remaining advantages and just hastens their decline.
Topher
Identifies as young
Consoles won't die as long as there is enough demand for consoles. You are right that there be continued adjustments to pricing to maintain proftiability. But the logic in this thread seems to be that console manufacturer's are going to leap frog any solutions in that regard and just decide to turn off the light and close the doors on a console market that is 170 million strong without a second thought and leave all those potential customers scratching their heads. I don't get it.
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Neofire
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Yup sounds like another "all games should be on PC" acolyte, after reading that nonsense.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Only way I see consoles dying anytime soon is if streaming and general internet infrastructure improves to the point that the people who buy consoles for GTA and Fifa only abandon consoles for an even cheaper entry point.
Topher
Identifies as young
Agree. Between infrastructure and lack of worldwide data center coverage, I don't think streaming will be where it needs to be in 10 years when the gen after next starts.
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Fabieter
Member
Thats half the reason they exist in the first place.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
didn't read but i bet i have a better take that this buffon.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
But they're not dying, only 1 is retracting at a more rapid rate.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
You do know that you don't have to quote the OP to share your thoughts on this opinion piece, right?
Just post a regular reply like 99% of the posters do.
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