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Phillip Wesley Spencer The 3rd: "Xbox Series X|S and PlayStation 5 are too similar"..."I want us to innovate and make hardware the differentiator."
TheRedRiders
Member
Doesn't this line up with some of the FTC leaks? something about the next Xbox being built around some sort of cloud streaming?
Horseganador
Member
What are you going to say... you know that going head-to-head against Playstation is always losing.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
I have a crazy idea for some new hardware. So, what if they made camera that allowed you to use your own body as the controller?!
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
How It Started: "We have a better product than Sony does."
How It's Going: "PS5 and XSX are too similar."
lol
How It's Going: "PS5 and XSX are too similar."
lol
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
How It Started: "We have a better product than Sony does."
How It's Going: "PS5 and XSX are too similar."
lol
Roberts
Member
That is not true. Quick Resume is probably the best feature in this gen consoles. Auto-hdr, fps boost, bc enhacements are great too.
Aguero9320
Member
They should announce their plans sooner rather than later. They obviously have something, but keeping it close to their chest is just leading to highly irritating levels of speculation. Don't see what they have to gain at this point.
Also side and unimportant point, I do not understand the thing with Spencer's name and why it keeps being posted like it is in the thread title. Is it supposed to be funny? Insulting? Respectful? Or just weird. Feel like I missed something...
Also side and unimportant point, I do not understand the thing with Spencer's name and why it keeps being posted like it is in the thread title. Is it supposed to be funny? Insulting? Respectful? Or just weird. Feel like I missed something...
Toots
Gold Member
To truly understand lord Spencer's brilliant mind, one needs to remember where he is coming from :
"Spencer was born into the prestigious Spencer family, considered for generations to be among the European elite. Growing up in his family's castle overlooking a cliff on the British coastline, the young heir to the Spencer fortune was given a wide-ranging education, and developed hobbies of art collecting and hunting as befitting of his status. Among his studies were classic literature, Early Modern humanist treatises, and the mid-20th century eugenics movement. His personal favorite was the Natural History Conspectus, a rare late Victorian encyclopaedia which chronicled a 34-year trek through Africa by British explorer Henry Travis. During Spencer's childhood, Europe was plunged into the Second World War. Nothing is known of Spencer's life during this period of time, though it is known his experience living during the war helped form his world views.
By the 1950s, Spencer was a university student training to be a physician. There he became close friends with Edward Ashford and Dr. James Marcus. While taking a solo hiking trip in Eastern Europe, he became lost due to his inexperience in the unfamiliar terrain and collapsed on a snow-covered road. There, he was rescued by Microsoft, the computer software company of an isolated mountain village which worshipped the Black God (Windows 95). Taken in by Microsoft as a protégé, Spencer learned about the Xbox and its ability to mutate, assimilate and replicate lifeforms, which inspired him a means to achieve evolutionist goals. Although he enjoyed his time with Microsoft and the vast biological knowledge he gained from them, the two held very different world views, as Microsoft longed to revive her deceased OS while Spencer wished to change the videogame console world. Consequently, Spencer decided to leave the village, but would continue to keep in touch with Microsoft by writing to them and leading the xbox division.
Returning to his university a changed man, Spencer became driven to replicate Microsoft achievements in his own way, as he deemed 1st generation xbox consoles ineffective to achieving his goals. With the Console War intensifying, Spencer began to view humanity as a race destined to fall, and believed that only through evolving gamers and attaining a superior moral (konami) code could this be averted. Though he lacked a means to accomplish this, he believed the answer lay within the emerging field of console hardware innovation. Soon, Spencer formed a eugenics circle of likeminded scientists, including Marcus and Ashford, as well as Lord Gates and Lord Nadella."
"Spencer was born into the prestigious Spencer family, considered for generations to be among the European elite. Growing up in his family's castle overlooking a cliff on the British coastline, the young heir to the Spencer fortune was given a wide-ranging education, and developed hobbies of art collecting and hunting as befitting of his status. Among his studies were classic literature, Early Modern humanist treatises, and the mid-20th century eugenics movement. His personal favorite was the Natural History Conspectus, a rare late Victorian encyclopaedia which chronicled a 34-year trek through Africa by British explorer Henry Travis. During Spencer's childhood, Europe was plunged into the Second World War. Nothing is known of Spencer's life during this period of time, though it is known his experience living during the war helped form his world views.
By the 1950s, Spencer was a university student training to be a physician. There he became close friends with Edward Ashford and Dr. James Marcus. While taking a solo hiking trip in Eastern Europe, he became lost due to his inexperience in the unfamiliar terrain and collapsed on a snow-covered road. There, he was rescued by Microsoft, the computer software company of an isolated mountain village which worshipped the Black God (Windows 95). Taken in by Microsoft as a protégé, Spencer learned about the Xbox and its ability to mutate, assimilate and replicate lifeforms, which inspired him a means to achieve evolutionist goals. Although he enjoyed his time with Microsoft and the vast biological knowledge he gained from them, the two held very different world views, as Microsoft longed to revive her deceased OS while Spencer wished to change the videogame console world. Consequently, Spencer decided to leave the village, but would continue to keep in touch with Microsoft by writing to them and leading the xbox division.
Returning to his university a changed man, Spencer became driven to replicate Microsoft achievements in his own way, as he deemed 1st generation xbox consoles ineffective to achieving his goals. With the Console War intensifying, Spencer began to view humanity as a race destined to fall, and believed that only through evolving gamers and attaining a superior moral (konami) code could this be averted. Though he lacked a means to accomplish this, he believed the answer lay within the emerging field of console hardware innovation. Soon, Spencer formed a eugenics circle of likeminded scientists, including Marcus and Ashford, as well as Lord Gates and Lord Nadella."
Kings Field
Member
Modern day fucking Davinci
Nemesisuuu
Member
Time to bring back Kinect I guess. 
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Can't beat them at their own game, so we must change it.
Obligatory,
Obligatory,
Robb
Gold Member
I love quick resume, definitely agree on that. But that’s all software, isn’t it?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Gojiira
Member
Yeah so similar hence why only the PS5 has full haptics, adaptive triggers, VR support etc
Xbox CEO Phil Spencer says Xbox Series X|S and PlayStation 5 are too similar — "I want us to innovate and make hardware the differentiator."
In a new interview, Xbox lead Phil Spencer discussed the Xbox Series S, and why Microsoft thinks hardware innovation will be the thing that makes you buy the next Xbox.www.windowscentral.com
I swear Fill does everything he can to take a jab at Playstation, he cant give a single interview without bringing them up. His small dick syndrome is unreal.
Its even fucking funnier when you consider MS likely wants to copy the Switch for next gen, sooooooo much innovation Fill Spender…Soooo much lmao
Donald mac Ronald
Member
It missing one of Phil's balls
GymWolf
Member
Negotiator101
Member
What "sucked ass" this time?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Prepping for KCD2.Dude really love these type of scenes uh?
Slaaaayyyyy Vavra approved.
Mister Wolf
Member
Being a hybrid PC that can purchase games off any digital store would be a helluva differentiator.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And hell of a sub services/revenue killer for them.
KaiserBecks
Member
I adore the PS5 controller, only downside is the battery. Xbox controller feels like a relic compared to the Dual Sense. But regarding the OS? Wtf dude. Xbox has smart delivery and quick resume, two features I hope Sony will implement in the next generation. It also took Sony years to implement VRR. Tbh I can’t think of a single thing that differentiates the PS5 from the PS4 regarding the OS in terms of actual practicality.
Esppiral
Member
What a stupid take, the consoles are very similar in architecture...
hououinkyouma00
Member
Everybody's gotta start innovating when they are on the chopping block.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
Member
Awaiting oem announcement Phil.
Spiral1407
Member
That's no longer possible. Both Sony & M$ have conditioned devs into expecting x86 PC-like boxes, so going down the Kutaragi route will only result in an even bigger defeat than what they're facing today. It would be interesting to see a modern take on EE/CELL design principles, but that ship has sailed.
Skifi28
Member
I know, I was one of the people saying the results would be very similar on both consoles when the Xbox fans here believed the marketing hype and were predicting the monster Xbox would finally kill playstation. Now the big head himself responsible for the original marketing campaign is saying how similar the consoles are, hence the irony.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
(I am fully aware how alone I will be with most of this)
Can we bring back light-gun games?
If that means I need to spend money for high end AR glasses or a Wii-style sensor bar I am game.
Give me more gimmicks too. Like that game where you actually had to get sunlight to fight monsters.
Can we bring back light-gun games?
If that means I need to spend money for high end AR glasses or a Wii-style sensor bar I am game.
Give me more gimmicks too. Like that game where you actually had to get sunlight to fight monsters.
808mate
Neo Member
He looks like he's aged 15 years.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
Hurray, more serie s consoles seems guaranteed on the future!
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
We know, Phil, we know. That's what Gestridens was saying in that Discord leak, too 
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Not necessarily. For starters I don't think Spencer is suggesting they want to "differentiate on hardware" as in a massive architectural shift CPU or GPU-wise. They're not gonna suddenly go back to PowerPC, or go for a MIPS processor, or revive Matrox to make a custom GPU. Granted, both PowerPC and MIPS are still in use and very capable, but there's little need for them in a modern gaming platform when x86-64 and ARM serve all the same needs, and are much more prolific in the gaming market.
He's basically hinting at two things: 1) that rumored Xbox handheld, and 2) the rumored PC OEM-style Xbox devices leaked in that Discord message over a year ago. Those are both ways they probably feel differentiate Xbox in hardware against platforms like PlayStation, even if MS are otherwise bringing all their games to PS, Switch etc. as a multiplat publisher.
This is a reason I still don't think those next Xbox devices are going to be completely Windows-based. Why they're going to be more "Xbox with deeper Windows integration" vs. the inverse.
If it's basically a Windows gaming box with some Xbox features on top, much the leverage with putting Xbox Store first-and-foremost and Game Pass alongside that, which they can currently do on the console, will be lost. Since MS puts all their games Day 1 on Steam, and there are cheaper (and arguably better) subscription services on PC both for normal gaming and cloud gaming, the only guaranteed money a Windows gaming box (w/ Xbox features embedded) could bring is off upfront hardware sales.
Whereas if they keep the underpinning OS to Xbox OS, but layer in enough Windows functionality so various Windows apps can natively run (I guess through compatibility layers), then when it comes to alternative storefronts they probably at least have a choice. They can still see the priciest model where you get access to those storefronts like you would on PC, but they could also do a lower-priced, soft-subsidized model tying access to those stores into a Game Pass subscription, like a locked contract, for some time period.
So they have the cheaper model with a smaller profit margin (or maybe even sold at-cost), but where they make up the profit over time through the Game Pass contract. And if it's someone who already has a subscription, you just have them pay the difference of whatever tier gives the alternative storefront access, for the set time period. And that tier, I figure would probably be an additional one above Ultimate.
It's probably their best option, and they could also retain standard over the hardware to a degree where even though they bring in PC-like modularity and upgrade options, they're purpose-built for their hardware, and maybe it's just MS and some select 3P OEMs making variants of them. There's also a degree of quality control they'd still be able to enforce, which gets lost if they go fully PC.
.Not necessarily. For starters I don't think Spencer is suggesting they want to "differentiate on hardware" as in a massive architectural shift CPU or GPU-wise. They're not gonna suddenly go back to PowerPC, or go for a MIPS processor, or revive Matrox to make a custom GPU. Granted, both PowerPC and MIPS are still in use and very capable, but there's little need for them in a modern gaming platform when x86-64 and ARM serve all the same needs, and are much more prolific in the gaming market.
He's basically hinting at two things: 1) that rumored Xbox handheld, and 2) the rumored PC OEM-style Xbox devices leaked in that Discord message over a year ago. Those are both ways they probably feel differentiate Xbox in hardware against platforms like PlayStation, even if MS are otherwise bringing all their games to PS, Switch etc. as a multiplat publisher.
This is a reason I still don't think those next Xbox devices are going to be completely Windows-based. Why they're going to be more "Xbox with deeper Windows integration" vs. the inverse.
If it's basically a Windows gaming box with some Xbox features on top, much the leverage with putting Xbox Store first-and-foremost and Game Pass alongside that, which they can currently do on the console, will be lost. Since MS puts all their games Day 1 on Steam, and there are cheaper (and arguably better) subscription services on PC both for normal gaming and cloud gaming, the only guaranteed money a Windows gaming box (w/ Xbox features embedded) could bring is off upfront hardware sales.
Whereas if they keep the underpinning OS to Xbox OS, but layer in enough Windows functionality so various Windows apps can natively run (I guess through compatibility layers), then when it comes to alternative storefronts they probably at least have a choice. They can still see the priciest model where you get access to those storefronts like you would on PC, but they could also do a lower-priced, soft-subsidized model tying access to those stores into a Game Pass subscription, like a locked contract, for some time period.
So they have the cheaper model with a smaller profit margin (or maybe even sold at-cost), but where they make up the profit over time through the Game Pass contract. And if it's someone who already has a subscription, you just have them pay the difference of whatever tier gives the alternative storefront access, for the set time period. And that tier, I figure would probably be an additional one above Ultimate.
It's probably their best option, and they could also retain standard over the hardware to a degree where even though they bring in PC-like modularity and upgrade options, they're purpose-built for their hardware, and maybe it's just MS and some select 3P OEMs making variants of them. There's also a degree of quality control they'd still be able to enforce, which gets lost if they go fully PC.
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I refuse to watch padded videos and appreciate text summary .
playbignbox
Member
Xbox nowadays has no differential advantage, everything from Xbox you can find on other platforms. The Xbox hardware division really should have something new to show or simply leave the market soon, because the way it is they won't be missed.
bundylove
Member
The worlds most powerful console
Series s i stonger and more capable than ps5
The year of xbox
The year of xbox coming back. Every year...
Indiana jones will propel xbox to number 1
Hold on there is more
Switch 2 is on par with ps5
Switch 2 dlss gives better performance than ps5
Switch 2 gets all third party ps5 ports.
Switch 2 now on par with series s
Oh switch 2 now on par with ps4 pro
4 years of woke shit fest killed the human brain. And the industry
COmmon sense is a fiction.
Series s i stonger and more capable than ps5
The year of xbox
The year of xbox coming back. Every year...
Indiana jones will propel xbox to number 1
Hold on there is more
Switch 2 is on par with ps5
Switch 2 dlss gives better performance than ps5
Switch 2 gets all third party ps5 ports.
Switch 2 now on par with series s
Oh switch 2 now on par with ps4 pro
4 years of woke shit fest killed the human brain. And the industry
COmmon sense is a fiction.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I think Bellular said it best. Something along the lines of Microsoft instead of competing against Sony directly, has opted to become more of an invasive species.
While it certainly has a negative tone to it, it is nonetheless, pretty accurate. Everything is an Xbox.
While it certainly has a negative tone to it, it is nonetheless, pretty accurate. Everything is an Xbox.
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Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
It must cost some of y'all sleep, the idea that anything other than your thing is the right thing for someone.
viveks86
Member
How the hell does hardware become the differentiator if everything is an Xbox. Man... Phil and his takes... Now they are going to compete with Nintendo, Steam Deck and mobile phones instead of Sony? Talk about leaving the frying pan and jumping into the fire.
Dear MS, you are and have always been a software and services company. Embrace it and make good software and services. Accept playing second fiddle (or third) or failing altogether if you try anything else.
Dear MS, you are and have always been a software and services company. Embrace it and make good software and services. Accept playing second fiddle (or third) or failing altogether if you try anything else.
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ZoukGalaxy
Member
I'm so tired of this guy, saying anything to anyone anywhere just to please.
YOU FAILED AT EVERYTHING. NEXT. MOVE ON.
WORST: you had EVERYTHING after the Xbox 360 storm to lead the market and failed pathetically
YOU FAILED AT EVERYTHING. NEXT. MOVE ON.
WORST: you had EVERYTHING after the Xbox 360 storm to lead the market and failed pathetically
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