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[Gamer_By_Proxy]

this is not what anti-woke is

Well I'm a realist anti-woke. Gay people exist in real life so one or two in a game can make sense. Or if it's a game about a gay bar, almost all the characters should be gay. Stuff that makes sense.

Pushing trans mental illness acceptance or lecturing your woke ideology is a whole other thing.

I don't see gay or black and immediately get a hate boner. Needs more than that alone.

 

[Blitzkrieg!]

You know I was just thinking about firing up a game of Sim Gay Bar.

 

[EDMIX]

Well I'm a realist anti-woke. Gay people exist in real life so one or two in a game can make sense. Or if it's a game about a gay bar, almost all the characters should be gay. Stuff that makes sense.

Pushing trans mental illness acceptance or lecturing your woke ideology is a whole other thing.

I don't see gay or black and immediately get a hate boner. Needs more than that alone.

True, I feel context matters.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Shadows is fine. Yasuke has been done tons of times. I've got no issue with it. Others do.....that's fine. I don't have to get it.

And this is why it is important that these games/media with woke/DEI agendas or practices keep flopping, face bad PR, pushback, and ridicule (regardless of whether an individual could enjoy the entertainment). Because the rabbit hole of the nature of woke/DEI is on a Metal Gear level of The Patriots

 

[Topher]

And this is why it is important that these games/media with woke/DEI agendas or practices keep flopping, face bad PR, pushback, and ridicule (regardless of whether an individual could enjoy the entertainment). Because the rabbit hole of the nature of woke/DEI is on a Metal Gear level of The Patriots

 

[LectureMaster]

Stuff that makes sense.

I agree with the your general sentiment towards wokeness in gaming.

But for Shadows specifically, I consider the gay romance woke. There is absolutely no historical records that Yasuke could've been a gay. And adding all those half assed romance options does not add any true depth to the character. We all know it's there because Ubi needs to pander the woketards who mostly don't buy games anyway.

I have no problem with Naoe gay romance because it's fictional character, Ubi can make up shits. But still, those romance options don't really benefit the game, it's not what people come to Assassin's Creed for.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I agree with the your general sentiment towards wokeness in gaming.

But for Shadows specifically, I consider the gay romance woke. There is absolutely no historical records that Yasuke could've been a gay. And adding all those half assed romance options does not add any true depth to the character. We all know it's there because Ubi needs to pander the woketards who mostly don't buy games anyway.

I have no problem with Naoe gay romance because it's fictional character, Ubi can make up shits. But still, those romance options don't really benefit the game, it's not what people come to Assassin's Creed for.

Didn't even know the main black character was gay until now lol. Thought the gay stuff was just some side content minor characters. Thought he would be a cool black character that'll fall in love with the asian chick. But yeah agreed that it seems weird they'll make him gay. Should have just been a badass black samurai and have another badass black woman that he'll fall in love with or with the asian girl.

Well I'm a realist anti-woke. Gay people exist in real life so one or two in a game can make sense. Or if it's a game about a gay bar, almost all the characters should be gay. Stuff that makes sense.

Pushing trans mental illness acceptance or lecturing your woke ideology is a whole other thing.

I don't see gay or black and immediately get a hate boner. Needs more than that alone.

Yeah don't really have a problem with gays and lesbians especially lesbians. If I'm playing a big RPG story or a big adventure story. I'll wanna see some lesbians too somewhere especially if they're hot. Like you said, they have always existed and wouldn't be right to hate them. Definitely don't have any problems with black or whatever race.

Agreed that the insane trans crap and woke views is the part where it becomes shit. Those are completely abominable and just wrong and shouldn't even exist in the first place.

Most anti woke folks which shouldn't even be a word aren't racist nor do most people hate lesbians or gays but lots of people definitely hate the woke/trans crap and rightfully so.

 

[Kotaro]

Well I'm a realist anti-woke. Gay people exist in real life so one or two in a game can make sense. Or if it's a game about a gay bar, almost all the characters should be gay. Stuff that makes sense.

Pushing trans mental illness acceptance or lecturing your woke ideology is a whole other thing.

I don't see gay or black and immediately get a hate boner. Needs more than that alone.

So out of all the great Japanese samurai in the history, Ubisoft just had to choose a black foreigner character who's at best a glorified feudal caddy and made him a samurai, even when there's no hard-proof that he's actually a samurai......because BLM was a trend back then??

Even worse they made him bisexual.......and you don't call that woke???

you belong in the woke camp

 

[Kacho]

? huh...I mean...this literally has the 2nd highest CCU for launch of a AC game and its only been a few days.....

This isn't "damage control" , this is merely factually telling you majority do not play this IP on PC

Again, pure damage control.

"It has the second highest CCU!" — Steam has grown dramatically since 2018. Shadows should be posting far higher numbers due to that alone.

"It's a series that appeals to console gamers!" — no one is disputing that, nor does it excuse these poor CCUs.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I agree with the your general sentiment towards wokeness in gaming.

But for Shadows specifically, I consider the gay romance woke. There is absolutely no historical records that Yasuke could've been a gay. And adding all those half assed romance options does not add any true depth to the character. We all know it's there because Ubi needs to pander the woketards who mostly don't buy games anyway.

I have no problem with Naoe gay romance because it's fictional character, Ubi can make up shits. But still, those romance options don't really benefit the game, it's not what people come to Assassin's Creed for.

I don't know the history or expect to get historical facts from video games. I don't have much of an issue with this cause it's a chat choice I'd never pick. I have more of an issue with Spider-Man 2 having the gay side mission. Even though it's a side mission and not a main mission, I'm someone that usually always does all side missions so for me that's just as bad a adding it as a main mission and forcing people to do it.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

So out of all the great Japanese samurai in the history, Ubisoft just had to choose a black foreigner character who's at best a glorified feudal caddy and made him a samurai, even when there's no hard-proof that he's actually a samurai......because BLM was a trend back then??

Even worse they made him bisexual.......and you don't call that woke???

you belong in the woke camp

I think picking a straight or gay choice in a game and taking that to mean the character is bisexual is a stretch. It's not like you're doing both.

I don't care about history in games. I get that Ubi said some dumb shit about being authentic so there's that. I'd never assume some video game told me the truth about a time period.

 

[ProtoByte]

The game clearly isn't outright shit, but when Ubisoft has to sell or whatever, the narrative will be that this is the game that crashed them. Won't be the full truth, but they brought it on themselves.

I've argued that Yasuke's inclusion, while clearly woke and pandering, is not some affront to Japanese culture or a violation of norms/rules in AC series traditions. But Ubisoft went about it the worst way possible.

 

[EDMIX]

"It has the second highest CCU!" — Steam has grown dramatically since 2018. Shadows should be posting far higher numbers due to that alon

That's amazing so telling you something like grand theft auto or Tekken or Call of Duty sell less on PC then on console it's "damage control" because steam has more players, so what you're fucking telling me is all those games must have flopped and failed and they must statistically sell better on that platform and they just sell poorly because those games suck...

Ummm suuuuuuuuuuuuuure

 

[adamsapple]

"It has the second highest CCU!" — Steam has grown dramatically since 2018. Shadows should be posting far higher numbers due to that alone.

That'd be like saying that since there's more PS5's in the market right now than before, newer games on it should be easily selling a lot more.

Why hasn't Astro outsold Spider Man 2 then?

Correlation does not imply causation.

The people who wanted AC Origins and Odyssey on Steam got it when those games came out, the people who want Shadows are now getting it on Steam when it came out.

 

[Kacho]

That'd be like saying that since there's more PS5's in the market right now than before, newer games on it should be easily selling a lot more.

Why hasn't Astro outsold Spider Man 2 then?

Correlation does not imply causation.

The people who wanted AC Origins and Odyssey on Steam got it when those games came out, the people who want Shadows are now getting it on Steam when it came out.

The same reason why WarioWare doesn't outsell Zelda. Assassin's Creed isn't an obscure IP. It's Ubisofts money maker with a massive budget behind it. Current CCUs for Shadows shows stagnation or decline. Probably the latter but time will tell.

 

[EDMIX]

That'd be like saying that since there's more PS5's in the market right now than before, newer games on it should be easily selling a lot more.

Why hasn't Astro outsold Spider Man 2 then?

Correlation does not imply causation.

The people who wanted AC Origins and Odyssey on Steam got it when those games came out, the people who want Shadows are now getting it on Steam when it came out.

This. and I love Astrobot and would love that to be true, but having MORE UNITS, doest not mean MORE people will buy this IP over that or anything odd like that.


The strangest part about this entire point by the way is where the fuck are all the established games that are selling on PC that literally are not even moving more units on that platform despite steam having a bigger install base ?

I mean if someone's gonna make this point I would believe they would have some game that they're showing us is now magically moving more units specifically on steam

I don't see any evidence of this especially with some of the biggest franchises like Call of Duty that might be one of the greatest examples anyone could make is you're talking about a franchise that has no problem moving 20 to 30 million units a year

Yet an absolute fraction of that amount exist on steam to the fucking point of even dragon age outselling Call of Duty lol

So more people on that platform doesn't mean they're all buying the same games I don't even know how many on steam are even buying triple-a games for that install base to ever come into play for someone to believe this game should be selling more

I need to see a little more evidence for that...

GTA 6 is skipping PC and releasing later on PC and no one here is making some bet that it flops because of that, we all know it will move MONSTER UNITS on consoles as that is where the majority sales are for that IP. It will shatter ever fucking record known to man with zero PC launch, as its an option to them. When the best selling game in the world, didn't move the most units on PC, its hard to argue MORE on steam, means all IP will sell the most on Steam.

That isn't really true regardless of platform. This means Forza will sell the most on XB, MLB will sell the most on PS, FF will sell the most on PS, even if all of what I just said released on all platforms based on the fanbase of those games.

Even Minecraft moved more units on Mobile, then on PC. The ability to play it and the largest install base, may not equal by default the best selling platform for a title.

That has never been a solid default, iron clad thing.

 

[Kacho]

Totally not damage control

 

[EDMIX]

Totally not damage control

Totally cope lol

Why would I be damage controlling for Call Of Duty? lol huh?

My point above used some IP you can't really make that claim on man...

 

[Sharius]

the more i read about this game, the more i want capcom remake RE5 to see how these people will react, because i know somehow play a black dude is feudal japan is less racist than shooting zombie in african, lmao

 

[EDMIX]

the more i read about this game, the more i want capcom remake RE5 to see how these people will react, because i know somehow play a black dude is feudal japan is less racist than shooting zombie in african, lmao

Listen.............day 1! lol

RE5 was a bad RE game, but a great action game, i'm going to TOWN with that shotgun! Capcom will be fine, they'll be like "ok, first off they are zombies, they not human anymore bro"

 

[Leopold]

I agree with the your general sentiment towards wokeness in gaming.

But for Shadows specifically, I consider the gay romance woke. There is absolutely no historical records that Yasuke could've been a gay. And adding all those half assed romance options does not add any true depth to the character. We all know it's there because Ubi needs to pander the woketards who mostly don't buy games anyway.

I have no problem with Naoe gay romance because it's fictional character, Ubi can make up shits. But still, those romance options don't really benefit the game, it's not what people come to Assassin's Creed for.

Eh. Last year there was a Japanese movie depicting Yasuke as Nobunaga's lover lol.

 

[calico]

It doesn't really matter if a game is selling more on console than on Steam, all that matters is whether there's reason to believe that split will be significantly different to whatever game/s you're comparing it to. The idea is the Steam performance acts as a sample for the overall performance.

There is of course an element of educated guessing when it comes to that split, but two similar games are likely to share a similar split between console and Steam. The more similar they are the better.

If it's something like KCD2 or Civ 7 or Stalker 2 you can probably assume it skews unusually heavily towards PC compared to most multiplatform games, and so they probably wouldn't be great candidates for comparing other games to. I think you could reasonably infer that eg. Veilguard and Metaphor were in the same ballpark overall from how they performed almost identically on Steam.

 

[PeteBull]

U dont realise coz back in ur days it was nowhere near that bad, but nowadays california girls got 20+ dicks on avg in them before they even finish college, so when u see young hot meat younger guy sees that too but on top sees mountain of penises that rearanged her guts

 

[captainnapalm]

Steam may not be totally indicative of the game's popularity as many people have their AC collections on Ubisoft's PC platform due to how heavily they were pushing it, and so they keep buying the games on there to keep it all in one place. I'm one of those, although I've stopped buying Ubisoft games new because of their DEI shift.

Seen in isolation, Shadows may not be such a big DEI offender (other than Yasuke of course), but it's a case of a thousand little cuts with Ubisoft to the point that I've soured on them. They've basically turned the AC series into a vessel for female protagonists now, which is just a bad decision considering the game's historical fanbase and the genre of game it is. Even when they include a man, like in Odyssey and Valhalla, they make a point of making the female character the "canon choice", even though the majority still pick the male character. In fact, if you played as the male viking in Valhalla - which almost everyone fucking did - that was just a trick of the Animus because the game tells you it's actually a woman and you even get called she a lot of the time. Just total bullshit.

Then they've openly admitted to rewriting history to make the past "less sexist" which again is just outrageous, when you used to be able to rely on the series not pulling that kind of shit. I haven't even gone into how DEI hiring on their teams has seen the quality of their games suffer in many departments, writing, cutscenes and animation being notable examples. What has happened to Ubisoft has happened to many different Western game devs and it's a really fucking shame. People don't even realise how much the quality has dropped in so many key areas because they just keep buying the same slop year after year and don't really track trends over time.

 

[calico]

Ubisoft tirelessly dug themselves into the hole they're in now for sure. I think they chose to give themselves handicaps with this game which they didn't need to, and which might have been more understandable if they were in an otherwise healthy position and could afford to take that risk. Assassin's Creed Japan should have been the ultimate rainy day option and an open goal.

If it underperforms, I don't think it will be because of the 'woke drama' per se (AC has a largely normie audience which probably isn't all that aware of it to begin with), it will because they chose to have protagonists which simply will not be appealing to a chunk of their audience.

 

[Baemono]

For the ones who say "Ubisoft deserves this flop", it's not like they haven't being paying attention to the feedbacks from people and doubling-down by saying "don't buy the game, it isn't for you anyway" as we have seen for other games in the past. They postponed the launch, fixed major bugs, changed the narrative about the game (I wasn't aware of the fact that you play the lady rather than the guy almost the entirety of the game until recently).

 

[Sharius]

up until AC2 this series had very interesting story,but ubisoft manage to ruin it to ground, the clash between modern civilization and ancient civil only fun when ancient civil remain mystery, but over time they tried to humanize the ancient civil and make them become boring to the point i don't even care about them anymore

 

[GHG]

It's hilarious to see closet-ERA members defending this game

the same posters also defended Outlaws and Veilguard and got their ass steamrolled embarrassingly

Literally the same group who defended avowed as well.

It's highly correlated in a certain area but I won't mention it since it's so blindingly obvious.

 

[Joel Was Right]

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[Angry_Megalodon]

AC is one of the 5 biggest gaming IPs. Having less than 200K is an embarrassment.

 

[Gaiff]

AC is one of the 5 biggest gaming IPs. Having less than 200K is an embarrassment.

Not even close.

And 200K for AC when it's not all that hot on PC and there's Ubisoft Connect that could have a significant portion of the concurrent users? Don't think so.

The game is probably doing respectable numbers, but I don't think it beats Valhalla. Whatever the case, it's not selling enough to save Ubisoft. They needed a smash hit and this ain't it.

 

[Baemono]

The game is probably doing respectable numbers, but I don't think it beats Valhalla. Whatever the case, it's not selling enough to save Ubisoft. They needed a smash hit and this ain't it.

I mean Valhalla was very big, the first "next-gen" AC game, with release still on the old gen, with a very hot theme back then (nordic mythology), it was capturing a lightning in a bottle. I am not an AC guy at all but even I bought the game.

 

[Roufianos]

For the ones who say "Ubisoft deserves this flop", it's not like they haven't being paying attention to the feedbacks from people and doubling-down by saying "don't buy the game, it isn't for you anyway" as we have seen for other games in the past. They postponed the launch, fixed major bugs, changed the narrative about the game (I wasn't aware of the fact that you play the lady rather than the guy almost the entirety of the game until recently).

Most importantly, they've done absolute jack shit to fix decade old complaints about their busy work approach to open worlds. These games are made on a production line as opposed to being handcrafted. Fuck em, the company deserves to struggle.

 

[Tams]

This should have been the biggest Assassin's Creed of all time, blowing all the others out of the water and being the most successful game UbiSoft has ever made. Assassins, specifically ninjas, and set in Japan in a game series known for high graphical quality and open violence.

But as outlined elsewhere, the DEI rubbish set in deep years ago as an over correction to the the management being perverts and creeps (let me be clear, they were in the wrong). Combined with a rather stagnant gameplay loop, and it's enough for people to just not bother as its boring and all so tiring.

 

[PeteBull]

2 more shots at it breaking 50k ccu, friday to saturday night fumbled hard, which means so far chuds predicted to once again grasp that rare victory out of scrawny dirty hands of liberal cucks

Just sayin

 

[Sharius]

This should have been the biggest Assassin's Creed of all time, blowing all the others out of the water and being the most successful game UbiSoft has ever made. Assassins, specifically ninjas, and set in Japan in a game series known for high graphical quality and open violence.

But as outlined elsewhere, the DEI rubbish set in deep years ago as an over correction to the the management being perverts and creeps (let me be clear, they were in the wrong). Combined with a rather stagnant gameplay loop, and it's enough for people to just not bother as its boring and all so tiring.

tbf, last year ubisoft had 2 chance to get themselve out of the shithole they dug on their own, starwar also has alot of fan, and what the hell can be bigger than assassin's creed game set to japan, even infamous ghost of tsushima keep get compare with AC

but they has to go with trash ideology of DEI to make it more friendly with "modern audience" that never show up to support anything for both game, so they deserve whatever the hell happen to them

 

[Tams]

tbf, last year ubisoft had 2 chance to get themselve out of the shithole they dug on their own, starwar also has alot of fan, and what the hell can be bigger than assassin's creed game set to japan, even infamous ghost of tsushima keep get compare with AC

but they has to go with trash ideology of DEI to make it more friendly with "modern audience" that never show up to support anything for both game, so they deserve whatever the hell happen to them

Well, Star Wars is also currently digging itself out of a DEI shithole, so...

 

[Tams]

2 more shots at it breaking 50k ccu, friday to saturday night fumbled hard, which means so far chuds predicted to once again grasp that rare victory out of scrawny dirty hands of liberal cucks

Just sayin

You need to reupload those.

Anyway, yes, yet another most rare incel victory.

 

[MMaRsu]

Not sure who its a victory for, I dont like the incel nonsense.

 

[thefool]

The do nothing and win strategy is the most powerful one. We're now living in a chuds world.

 

[SidViscous]

both sides of the DEI debate claiming victory on this one is silly, steam user reviews seem positive which is the only metric that really matters imo.

Having said that, Ubisoft need to lay off with "the message" if they want any chance at becoming profitable

 

[ManaByte]

Having said that, Ubisoft need to lay off with "the message" if they want any chance at becoming profitable

And there your side is clearly on display because there's no "message" in the game. The game's about a smoking hot female Shinobi acting out a Kill Bill style revenge story in Feudal Japan. Those telling you there's a some "message" being pushed in the game are lying to you to increase their engagement payout money.

 

[Physiognomonics]

You realize Odyssey wasn't available on Steam for quite a while after launch?

If Odyssey was released right now using this engine, exactly as it was back then, it would be a phenomenal success for Ubisoft.

The same reason why WarioWare doesn't outsell Zelda. Assassin's Creed isn't an obscure IP. It's Ubisofts money maker with a massive budget behind it. Current CCUs for Shadows shows stagnation or decline. Probably the latter but time will tell.

When Adam is comparing AstroBot obscure and super cheap AA IP to a 300 million AAA budget (with the most successful super-heroes IP ever) to build his narrative you know Shadows bombed hard.

 

[ManaByte]

The same reason why WarioWare doesn't outsell Zelda. Assassin's Creed isn't an obscure IP. It's Ubisofts money maker with a massive budget behind it. Current CCUs for Shadows shows stagnation or decline. Probably the latter but time will tell.

Even the grifters on X have given up this argument after people pointed out that AC is traditionally a console-heavy game and they don't have access to console numbers to weaponize for their monetized engagement grift. The game is at high user scores on both PS and Xbox, showing people there are enjoying it. That's the only public facing numbers we have from the consoles; aside from regional "top games" rankings on PSN.

 

[MMaRsu]

Going up

48,153

 

[Topher]

Literally the same group who defended avowed as well.

It's highly correlated in a certain area but I won't mention it since it's so blindingly obvious.

Trying to figure out this correlation my man. I enjoyed Avowed and am enjoying AC Shadows. Did I inadvertently become part of some secret society?

 

[ManaByte]

Trying to figure out this correlation my man. I enjoyed Avowed and am enjoying AC Shadows. Did I become part of some secret society?

You're part of the woke cabal trying to destroy gaming.

 

[calico]

A lot of games skew towards console. No reason that would prevent you being able to use performance on Steam to infer how a game is likely to be doing overall.

User scores aren't particularly helpful. You'll find plenty of low selling games with high user scores, and you can have something like MH Wilds with a 60% rating on Steam but a peak ~30x higher than Shadows.

 

[GHG]

Trying to figure out this correlation my man. I enjoyed Avowed and am enjoying AC Shadows. Did I inadvertently become part of some secret society?

Well you have been collecting more likes from adamsapple than usual.

Spoiler

There's also a big difference between simply enjoying the games and going around gaslighting people who are speaking out about the glaringly obvious political agendas these games and/or their studios have.

 

[PeteBull]

Literally the same group who defended avowed as well.

It's highly correlated in a certain area but I won't mention it since it's so blindingly obvious.

Yups, they buy/play(or get gifted?) all those shitty DEI games then pretend those are amazing games coz sellout reviewers gave it 80/100 on avg