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Avowed art director calls Elon Musk a "sad little shit" over Avowed gender pronoun complaints, indicates more of the same in final product

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Donald mac Ronald said:
Putting aside the obsidian guys post.

What about the MS internal hiring practices of clearly admitting to paying different groups of people based on their skin colour.

Does MS studios in general have the same hiring practices as obsidian? This all needs it's own thread tbh.
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Might not even be exclusive to MS:



We all know how Dragon Age: The Veilguard turned out.
 
LectureMaster

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Trunim said:
I think it's good for him to stand up against narrow-minded gamers. Better to speak up than be silent and let transphobic right wingers drag your game through the mud.
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Topher

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Trunim said:
I think it's good for him to stand up against narrow-minded gamers. Better to speak up than be silent and let transphobic right wingers drag your game through the mud.
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Eh....you can call people you don't agree with "narrow-minded" if it makes you feel better, but at the end of the day, those gamers are also known as "customers" and Microsoft is in the business of selling to customers. Not engaging in culture war bullshit.
 
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Denton

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LectureMaster said:
Yeah, I think the bottom line for gamers is really simple - if the game is good, it will sell good, regardless other factors.
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I do not think this is the case anymore.
SW Outlaws is a good game. Not GOTY level of course, but still a good solid SW game from most beloved SW era. But once it was poisoned in the culture war, it effectively died.
Concord is the same case. It was not a bad game. But stupid decisions of its developers killed it, and culture war played a role in that.
Players are more and more tuned to this stuff. People like Asmongold have regularly half a million views per video. Culture war is mainstream. It is why Trump won.
 
PeteBull

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Zacfoldor said:
What does "sad little shit" even mean?

Not you specifically(and no offense meant to you brother), but why does Bluesky guy hate Elon? I think the time to finally ask "why" he is a "sad little shit" has finally arrived. Is it all just politics or what because I don't really understand and am not being intentionally obtuse.

I'll be honest I thought most of us did not love the pronoun thing in games anyway, so what's wrong with him saying what many of us believe?
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Most of us players, dont, most of the western devs and reviewers are leftists liberal clowns, or pretend to be ones so they can get fat checks for doing nothing, its their way of living and their belief system :)
 
bender

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What time is it?
Topher said:
Eh....you can call people you don't agree with "narrow-minded" if it makes you feel better, but at the end of the day, those gamers are also known as "customers" and Microsoft is in the business of selling to customers. Not engaging in culture war bullshit.
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Well, Musk saying pronouns don't belong in a fantasy setting game is a bit foolish. A development team and a game's publisher are free to include whatever content they want and the market will sort out the demand for that type of content. People on the fringe of either side of the argument are exhausting as everyone is so busy being right that there is little consideration for a differing opinion or viewpoint and they are more concerned with escalating the rhetoric rather than genuine discourse. It's just better to not engage and let the vocal minorities pound each other into dust.
 
LectureMaster

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Denton said:
I do not think this is the case anymore.
SW Outlaws is a good game. Not GOTY level of course, but still a good solid SW game from most beloved SW era. But once it was poisoned in the culture war, it effectively died.
Concord is the same case. It was not a bad game. But stupid decisions of its developers killed it, and culture war played a role in that.
Players are more and more tuned to this stuff. People like Asmongold have regularly half a million views per video. Culture war is mainstream. It is why Trump won.
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Well, I definitely have my reservations on "outlaws being a good game", at least at launch, the press only gave it 75 on metacritic, let alone all the tech problems players were complaining about.

I think a good point to back up my theory was Silent Hill 2. Folks were trashing the SBI involvement, uglification of the OG characters, etc. But when the full game came out, people were convinced by its quality.
 
Branded

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Love that all of this shit is gaining traction in the mainstream now so all the casual plebs are exposed to this nonsense as well and vote with their wallets in the process.

Do we have a thread up yet for the CCU numbers on Steam?
 
PeteBull

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Bernardougf said:
The usual .. fly-by sjw posts in every thread antagonizing and patronizing who interacts with him. But I've seen worst from older users... the fact that its a new account and he/she/they/then/lizard mainly posts in this types of threads probably weighted in.
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U never know, he might be one of the woke devs himself, not avoved dev in particular but there is plenty of those around, they make secret accounts on gaf 4sure, secret so they arent exposed on the rainbow forum for making account here, where they can actually interact and see what gamers think :)
Ppl like those think of themselfs as superior to every1 else both in IQ and morality, basically Sheldon from BBT early seasons, just no excuse of being autistic/cute/funny :)
 
Bombolone

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When you sit back and try to conceptualize an end to this woke nonsense… On the face of it, it seems like an uphill battle. Nigh impossible. They have all the power.
Money, institutions, media… complete control.
You can have the most air tight plan but a human being can always fuck that up.

It’s funny to see the machine pushing this garbage unable to control the useful idiots they bred and conditioned.

I hope the MS discrimination practices blow up in their face. The idiot who let that information slide created a crack that could be very important to getting this industry back on track. The Wolves should be out in full force with this one.
 
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PeteBull

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Denton said:
I do not think this is the case anymore.
SW Outlaws is a good game. Not GOTY level of course, but still a good solid SW game from most beloved SW era. But once it was poisoned in the culture war, it effectively died.
Concord is the same case. It was not a bad game. But stupid decisions of its developers killed it, and culture war played a role in that.
Players are more and more tuned to this stuff. People like Asmongold have regularly half a million views per video. Culture war is mainstream. It is why Trump won.
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Both were terrible games by AAA few hundo milions of usd budget standard, look at review scores they both got, by professional journos, who encourage/give brownie points for game being woke- they both still reviewed poorly, again for big budget AAA with huge publisher and marketing behind it :)
 
near

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Kacho said:
near near I take that back. Perhaps Josh Sawyer retweeting that bluesky post does matter and maybe he DID undo it when this went viral.
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Yeah it does matter if he retweeted it, which is kind of why I've wanted to confirm it from the moment I saw he's name pop up. But I'm still not entirely convinced he did based on that screenshot. I also really like he's work, so it'd be a shame if he was part of this madness.
 
Topher

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bender said:
Well, Musk saying pronouns don't belong in a fantasy setting game is a bit foolish. A development team and a game's publisher are free to include whatever content they want and the market will sort out the demand for that type of content. People on the fringe of either side of the argument are exhausting as everyone is so busy being right that there is little consideration for a differing opinion or viewpoint and they are more concerned with escalating the rhetoric rather than genuine discourse. It's just better to not engage and let the vocal minorities pound each other into dust.
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Musk is just as free to his opinion as the publishers are free to whatever content they want to include. Musk has nothing to lose here and he is going to say whatever is on this mind, foolish or not. Obsidian has a lot to lose so if I'm going to point to foolishness in this debate then it would be squarely at the art director. I think the best argument made here in defense of the pronouns is that, as it is, it is mostly harmless. I'm not seeing much on the fringe here, really, except for a few potshot name-calling posts here and there.
 
Hawk The Slayer

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Kacho said:
At least he isn’t being coy about where he stands so we know right away not to waste time engaging with him
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Always good when they expose themselves and let everybody know they're among the folks who supports the insane twisted sick woke shits. So we don't have to give it the benefit of a doubt.

Denton said:
I do not think this is the case anymore.
SW Outlaws is a good game. Not GOTY level of course, but still a good solid SW game from most beloved SW era. But once it was poisoned in the culture war, it effectively died.
Concord is the same case. It was not a bad game. But stupid decisions of its developers killed it, and culture war played a role in that.
Players are more and more tuned to this stuff. People like Asmongold have regularly half a million views per video. Culture war is mainstream. It is why Trump won.
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I do think Outlaws, Concord, and Veilguard are bad games but I also agree that folks like Asmond and others could definitely effect the sales of a game even if a game is actually good. There's a lot more folks who are against the shitty woke stuff than the ones who supports it and even the neutral folks will not be a big fan of it if they see it so while these youtube channels are few in numbers but the followers plus the other people it could attract to it including those shared by their followers could definitely lead to a massive amount of number. It's one of the reasons why I think Veilguard would have been a much much bigger success had it got better writings and characters without nasty woke trash a.k.a if it was more like a present day Witcher 3 and folks like Asmongold and the other youtubers actually loved it and recommend it which will lead to a much bigger sale and better leg and word of mouth.
 
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Denton

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PeteBull said:
they both still reviewed poorly,
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MC in the 70s is not being reviewed poorly. That implies solid game, or even great (but buggy) game (e.g. Stalker 2).
And I am judging Outlaws from my own experience with it. It was buggy and Kay looked weird, but aside from that it was just as enjoyable as SW Respawn games, if not more.
 
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bender

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What time is it?
Topher said:
Musk is just as free to his opinion as the publishers are free to whatever content they want to include. Musk has nothing to lose here and he is going to say whatever is on this mind, foolish or not. Obsidian has a lot to lose so if I'm going to point to foolishness in this debate then it would be squarely at the art director. I think the best argument made here in defense of the pronouns is that, as it is, it is mostly harmless. I'm not seeing much on the fringe here, really, except for a few potshot name-calling posts here and there.
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Well, it was a long way of saying the person you responded to isn't worth a response. And we see plenty of fringe here, just like anywhere on the internet. Musk's comment was out of pocket and trying to put constraints on art, if you believe games to be art, is pretty foolish but that's par for the course for Musk who enjoys shooting from the hip. The Obsidian dude should have obviously taken the highroad but in the age of social media and poor PR training, it's hardly surprising as sad as that is. And now we are here, with Avowed being the latest in the video game culture war. Video games! You know, the hobby we keep for escapism.

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Denton said:
I do not think this is the case anymore.
SW Outlaws is a good game. Not GOTY level of course, but still a good solid SW game from most beloved SW era. But once it was poisoned in the culture war, it effectively died.
Concord is the same case. It was not a bad game. But stupid decisions of its developers killed it, and culture war played a role in that.
Players are more and more tuned to this stuff. People like Asmongold have regularly half a million views per video. Culture war is mainstream. It is why Trump won.
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Thank god culture war exists, otherwise there would be nothing but praises for every game. The simple fact you say Outlaws is good proves it.

We're still very far from actual meaningful and concrete discussions about the games, but it's a little something, usually it's based on facts, more or less.
 
Topher

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bender said:
Well, it was a long way of saying the person you responded to isn't worth a response. And we see plenty of fringe here, just like anywhere on the internet. Musk's comment was out of pocket and trying to put constraints on art, if you believe games to be art, is pretty foolish but that's par for the course for Musk who enjoys shooting from the hip. The Obsidian dude should have obviously taken the highroad but in the age of social media and poor PR training, it's hardly surprising as sad as that is. And now we are here, with Avowed being the latest in the video game culture war. Video games! You know, the hobby we keep for escapism.

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Yeah....I agree. I'd rather this shit just pass us by and we get back to having fun with video games. Even when GAF did have a politics forum, I never once posted there. Just not something I enjoy, because.....yeah.....it's just tiresome.
 
bender

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What time is it?
Topher said:
Yeah....I agree. I'd rather this shit just pass us by and we get back to having fun with video games. Even when GAF did have a politics forum, I never once posted there. Just not something I enjoy, because.....yeah.....it's just tiresome.
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This is a slow turning cargo ship so we'll see the effects of this nonsense for years to come.
 
S0ULZB0URNE

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Denton said:
MC in the 70s is not being reviewed poorly. That implies solid game, or even great (but buggy) game (e.g. Stalker 2).
And I am judging Outlaws from my own experience with it. It was buggy and Kay looked weird, but aside from that it was just as enjoyable as SW Respawn games, if not more.
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That's a pass score for me.
 
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EviLore said:


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I imagine legions of lawyers frothing at the mouth with such an easy shot at that Microsoft money here 😅. That Obsidian is an absolute clown for posting that shit.

We really need to get the lawsuits rolling for all the anti-white (and I'm not even white) discrimination thats been happening, and we all know it's been happening, in corporate America. Bleed these multi-billion dollar corporations dry.
 
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GermanZepp

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Even if you think musk is retarded you keep it to yourself and then respond with some PR bullshit: 'we welcome all criticism and points of view we look forward to experiencing the many surprises our game has ' how hard is that? Now there is more people wanting the game to fail and looking for the bugs and the easy writing. The "ha! I told you the woke game is lame" . And rightfully so...
 
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