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[Bernardougf]

For the life of me, I don't think I'll ever understand why some of you get so worked up about how some developers address pronouns in their games. I definitely wouldn't call it "sick" to include it. What's wrong with you?

The fact that you dont understand dosent make it "wrong" ... Avowed its a product so consumers can evaluate everything they want about this product... sorry but you dont get to choose what is right or wrong to like or dislike in a game .... I cant say you are wrong for not minding pronouns, so dont say anyone that minds it is "wrong". It dosent work like that.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

The fact that you dont understand dosent make it "wrong" ... Avowed its a product so consumers can evaluate everything they want about this product... sorry but you dont get to choose what is right or wrong to like or dislike in a game .... I cant say you are wrong for not minding pronouns, so dont say anyone that minds it is "wrong". It dosent work like that.

Not worth it, that's Just another person who supports the sick woke shits and trying to be slick about it. Only the lunatic supporters will think it's wrong for people to dunk on their insanity.

 

[FunkMiller]

For the life of me, I don't think I'll ever understand why some of you get so worked up about how some developers address pronouns in their games. I definitely wouldn't call it "sick" to include it. What's wrong with you?

We currently live in a febrile cultural environment, where things that would once have gone relatively unnoticed, are now blown out of all proportion due to social media influence. This of course originated with the very people threads like this are railing against.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Just jumping in.
What is the point?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Ass of Can Whooping , let's change war forever, gimme your previous warrior avatars so we hype everyone up to test the Steam tags. I'll make a thread just for it.

 

[PeteBull]

MC in the 70s is not being reviewed poorly. That implies solid game, or even great (but buggy) game (e.g. Stalker 2).
And I am judging Outlaws from my own experience with it. It was buggy and Kay looked weird, but aside from that it was just as enjoyable as SW Respawn games, if not more.

Nope bro, 70s is barely above concord that got 62 which means 60s is literally bottom of the barrel for AAA big budget game reviewers are ok to go to, they dont go lower for big IP like SW, made by ubi and previewers aka future reviewers being send to disneyland trip, its terrible score, especially it already got bonus poins for ugly female protag boss babe, even DA:V got over 80

Just look at 2 previous SW games from big publisher, EA this time, Jedi Fallen Order got 79 and Survivor(which was actually worse imho) got 85, SW Squadrons got even 79 and we all know game was avg at best

Another proof of reviewers not using bottom half of the scale is redfall metascore, fricken 56, game deserved maybe 2 or 3/10 at best in the state it was, it was not big IP but had big publisher so for that alone 50+ score already
At some point even u have to face reality, professional journos are sellouts, they cant be hard on those games, thats their bread, getting free review copies before game's launch alone makes them biased, on top of pig pubs buying ad space on their sites

Reviewers these days, especially when it comes to judging AAA games, especially woke ones, are like thirsty dude on a slow tuesday, they look for ways to qualify, not to disqualify- chick has ugly face but fat ass-we fuckin, she has flat ass but ok face-we fuckin too, her breath stinks but her kitty is fresh- we defo fuckin coz best pussy is new pussy after all

 

[Tokio Blues]

im amazed that this man is still working on this game. Is the Xbox PR departament retarded ?

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

For the life of me, I don't think I'll ever understand why some of you get so worked up about how some developers address pronouns in their games. I definitely wouldn't call it "sick" to include it. What's wrong with you?

I am going to reuse an analogy I used last time; Frogs.

Many colorful frogs are extremely poisonous. The poison is NOT in the pigment, but the colors warn you not to eat them.

In this case with Avowed, the pronouns are like the bright colors of a poisonous frog. It tells you with a high likelihood that the game is made by people with no talent. You can argue that just because it has pronouns doesn't directly make the game bad. But I would say likewise about colorful frogs and ask if you will be willing to consume them.

I myself will be avoiding consumption of colorful frogs. You do you, you getting poisoned is your own choice.

 

[PeteBull]

im amazed that this man is still working on this game. Is the Xbox PR departament retarded ?

High chances PR team is just as leftists as art director, so they probably think something along the lines "yiss king, slay that rightwing opressor, he is white male so he deserves the worst" .
Logic and sanity doesnt exist there, or they wouldnt be ok with denying science and reality after all

 

[FunkMiller]

im amazed that this man is still working on this game. Is the Xbox PR departament retarded ?

Not retarded, just likely full of a lot of young people with degrees, but very little actual experience of the practicalities and realities of PR. The industry has suffered from a lot of brain drain in recent years, fuelled partially by the pandemic, and partially by the increasing prevalence of social media direct messaging - which the subject of this thread neatly exemplifies. Many experienced PR people have left to work with smaller companies and individuals, leaving the major corporations. The creativity in corporate PR has been throttled by a combination of ideology, greed, and poor management at executive level.

 

[nemiroff]

Nah, Musk is the hero we need. And people do need to take a stand.

We got yo this point where blue-haired perverts are running the show, because not enough people like Musk are willing to take a stand against woke cancel culture

I used to be one of you guys... I kinda saw threats everywhere and thought people like Trump, Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson and their entourage of content-creators were my stability and security, sort-of. I was all-in, reading books, keeping up with their actions, watching their youtube videos.. I felt like I was on the path to rationality, united against "the enemy. I kept this shit up in high momentum for years after 2016..

But then I had a long moment of clarity and thought, "Does this even make sense? Why the fuck do I need to pick a side in the first place?" Eventually, I realized it was all nonsense.

Long story short, I found mental clarity. It's freeing to break away from all allegiances and idols. Now, I'm no one's bitch

So yeah, these days I'm able to comfortably reject pronouns and dismiss Musk in a single breath.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

I stand firmly by my opinion in that this game has looked absolutely mediocre since its 1st showing.
It has no fucking soul, no "character", no distinguishable features from other fantasy RPGs, in fact, it looks like the poster child for "Generic Western made high fantasy RPG®", everything about it just screams mediocrity, there's no gusto, no heart behind it, just a game to fill up your time, a game made with subscription services in mind.

Now, couple that with the recent shitstorm that is gaining traction and boyos, this - for better or for worse - is yet another game that will join the underselling sea of mediocrity composed of games like DA Veilguard, Ubisoft star wars tripe, Concord and the upcoming Assassin's creed Japan or whatever it's called.
It's yet another "you done fucked up" case and they have no one else to blame but themselves.

One the one hand, you have the fact that these products are in reality mediocre and on the other the fact that these stupid armchair/couch activists don't know when to shut the fuck up and can't help themselves from injecting a product (which is produced for the masses and not some minority btw) with their heavily biased, politically correct ideologies.
Add to the mix some highly toxic narcissism and holier than thou approach and...this is the result.

Here's the thing though : people, in the year of our lord 2024 are tired of this shit and are (finally) way more vocal and have started voting with their wallets , in the end, no one likes being lectured - and this is what these stupid, obnoxious, antagonizing cunts can't understand.

There's already some damage done after this whole furore and I think that it will reflect on the sales, then again, this is going to be "free" on the world's best subscription based service so the tens of people that are interested in this will play it either way

This is going to be yet another MS mediocre title that won't help in moving the needle not one bit - it will just continue to make the loyal fans hang on a just a little bit more on that promised "greatness" that's yet to arrive.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Nah, Musk is the hero we need. And people do need to take a stand.

We got yo this point where blue-haired perverts are running the show, because not enough people like Musk are willing to take a stand against woke cancel culture

He posted a comment on twitter lol

 

[Buggy Loop]

I used to be one of you guys... I kinda saw threats everywhere and thought people like Trump, Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson and their entourage of content-creators were my stability and security, sort-of. I was all-in, reading books, keeping up with their actions, watching their youtube videos.. I felt like I was on the path to rationality, united against "the enemy. I kept this shit up in high momentum for years after 2016..

But then I had a long moment of clarity and thought, "Does this even make sense? Why the fuck do I need to pick a side in the first place?" Eventually, I realized it was all nonsense.

Long story short, I found mental clarity. It's freeing to break away from all allegiances and idols. Now, I'm no one's bitch

So yeah, these days I'm able to comfortably reject pronouns and dismiss Musk in a single breath.

I can fully understand. It's very easy to bubble up in an echo chamber. But all this rage I then found rather silly, especially since it all resonates so hollow anyway for those living outside the USA. If you start spewing stuffs like an american in Canada, peoples are gonna look at you funny.

 

[FunkMiller]

Nah, Musk is the hero we need. And people do need to take a stand.

This kind of mindless hero worship gets you nowhere. If you want things to genuinely get better culturally, there has to be a move back towards level headed pragmatism. This idolisation of people or ideas on either side only results in continued stupidity.

 

[nemiroff]

I can fully understand. It's very easy to bubble up in an echo chamber. But all this rage I then found rather silly, especially since it all resonates so hollow anyway for those living outside the USA. If you start spewing stuffs like an american in Canada, peoples are gonna look at you funny.

Yeah, fortunately, daily life here is almost devoid of politics. Deep political discussions are rare, whether at home or in the office. And yeah, if politics do come up, we tend to avoid an "American politics" tone. And also yeah, the political landscape in western countries outside the US is not as polarized, much because of the multi-party systems. The bogeymen also seem less intimidating here, unless, of course, we take a look towards Sweden and get scared shitless..

 

[lmimmfn]

I used to be one of you guys... I kinda saw threats everywhere and thought people like Trump, Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson and their entourage of content-creators were my stability and security, sort-of. I was all-in, reading books, keeping up with their actions, watching their youtube videos.. I felt like I was on the path to rationality, united against "the enemy. I kept this shit up in high momentum for years after 2016..

But then I had a long moment of clarity and thought, "Does this even make sense? Why the fuck do I need to pick a side in the first place?" Eventually, I realized it was all nonsense.

Long story short, I found mental clarity. It's freeing to break away from all allegiances and idols. Now, I'm no one's bitch

So yeah, these days I'm able to comfortably reject pronouns and dismiss Musk in a single breath.

Above all mental health is priority. Aside from that it is just about principles, not about taking sides, I detest what woke is, I detest my children being thought this BS at school and how it divides communities under a fake pretence of the overall good.

I'm a man of principles, I dont give a crap what Elon or Trump think, if they're saying what aligns with my principles I'm OK with that, if not I couldn't care less.

 

[nemiroff]

Above all mental health is priority. Aside from that it is just about principles, not about taking sides, I detest what woke is, I detest my children being thought this BS at school and how it divides communities under a fake pretence of the overall good.

I'm a man of principles, I dont give a crap what Elon or Trump think, if they're saying what aligns with my principles I'm OK with that, if not I couldn't care less.

I actually agree with most of that. I agree we should push back on stupid ideas, I'm just saying that blind loyalty and idolism is stupid no matter the "side".

Anyway, I'm done talking about this, I think I'll go back to generally bitch about games instead.

 

[MayauMiao]

Oh no, not again..

 

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Even if you think musk is retarded you keep it to yourself and then respond with some PR bullshit: 'we welcome all criticism and points of view we look forward to experiencing the many surprises our game has ' how hard is that? Now there is more people wanting the game to fail and looking for the bugs and the easy writing. The "ha! I told you the woke game is lame" . And rightfully so...

It's cause you're an adult and people like that are overgrown children. Unfortunately for us, they're everywhere and we have to constantly deal with them.

 

[lmimmfn]

I actually agree with most of that. I agree we should push back on stupid ideas, I'm just saying that blind loyalty and idolism is stupid no matter the "side".

Anyway, I'm done talking about this, I think I'll go back to generally bitch about games instead.

I agree completely

 

[chakadave]

Possibly for being a PR liability.

It's not just this guys job being at risk. It's everyone at Obsidian if the game bombs. That's when the tough business decisions come into play. Don't want to become the next Tango Gameworks.

You would think but his HR is on his side and think it is a good thing to “smash patriarchy” by throwing fits and displaying public outrage while insulting their audience.

 

[iQuasarLV]

Sungrand has posted a video about this subject

 

[Kacho]

 

[Edgelord79]

I used to be one of you guys... I kinda saw threats everywhere and thought people like Trump, Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson and their entourage of content-creators were my stability and security, sort-of. I was all-in, reading books, keeping up with their actions, watching their youtube videos.. I felt like I was on the path to rationality, united against "the enemy. I kept this shit up in high momentum for years after 2016..

But then I had a long moment of clarity and thought, "Does this even make sense? Why the fuck do I need to pick a side in the first place?" Eventually, I realized it was all nonsense.

Long story short, I found mental clarity. It's freeing to break away from all allegiances and idols. Now, I'm no one's bitch

So yeah, these days I'm able to comfortably reject pronouns and dismiss Musk in a single breath.

This. If you didn’t have gold already you would now.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The entire saga is hilarious.

The right-wing grifters online like Miles Cheong and Grummz have got one of the most powerful men on the planet signal boosting them to all 200m of his followers, whilst he's calling out the CEO of Xbox and tagging them into a post which includes an Art Director for one of their biggest games proudly admitting to discrimination in the workplace. What a world we're living in.

More fun than I thought Avowed could ever offer

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Sungrand has posted a video about this subject

Never heard of this guy before but he was pretty good.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Oh no, not again..

And this is that loud-mouth fart-faced Art Director's work?

Man, talk about 0 valuable contributions while being a total liability. What a non-contributing zero that "said little shit" is!

 

[adamsapple]

And this is that loud-mouth fart-faced Art Director's work?

Man, talk about 0 valuable contributions while being a total liability. What a non-contributing zero that "said little shit" is!

er... IGN deliberately made a character like that in the character creator to show its flexibility.

 

[Heisenberg007]

er... IGN deliberately made a character like that in the character creator to show its flexibility.

Okay, that's good then. Would have been really bad if that was "default."

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Not watching. but the amount of content this "war" is producing is something to behold..... now imagine this for like... 6 months. (Indiana Jones, Avowed, South of Midnight)

our Xbros and the brand itself are going to have a rough time ahead.

 

[Touch fuzZy. get BizZay]

er... IGN deliberately made a character like that in the character creator to show its flexibility.

IGN leave her alone

Kamala's been through enough

 

[Black_Stride]

The ones that were so vocal in that other thread like Black_Stride and Buggy Loop are hiding. Just Pronouns right boys?

Still here.
Still playing the game day one on Gamepass.
Pronouns dont scare me and im building a Godlike so dont give a damn what the default looks like.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Not worth it, that's Just another person who supports the sick woke shits and trying to be slick about it. Only the lunatic supporters will think it's wrong for people to dunk on their insanity.

Aren’t you the Satan guy? Speaking of lunatics. Apologies if I am getting the crazies mixed up.

 

[Goss Harag]

Absolutely fucking mental people on that forum.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Well this game has no chance now. Doesn't matter on the quality of the title.

If i was MS and Obsidian I would be out for blood from this guy. He has literally tanked an entire project of 5 years work, maybe more?

Steam reviews, user reviews....it's joever.

Critics reviews will be completely ignored as virtue signalling.

But, if its juts a victim to get progress back in video games. It's just rough if the game is actually not that woke and it just had a pronoun in the character select screen. Like so many games now. That shit doesn't bother me. It's an rpg. Let people role play as they want. Just don't give me missions and dialogue in game about how a lizard person isn't a she/her anymore.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Well this game has no chance now. Doesn't matter on the quality of the title.

If i was MS and Obsidian I would be out for blood from this guy. He has literally tanked an entire project of 5 years work, maybe more?

Steam reviews, user reviews....it's joever.

Critics reviews will be completely ignored as virtue signalling.

But, if its juts a victim to get progress back in video games. It's just rough if the game is actually not that woke and it just had a pronoun in the character select screen. Like so many games now. That shit doesn't bother me. It's an rpg. Let people role play as they want. Just don't give me missions and dialogue in game about how a lizard person isn't a she/her anymore.

Always amazing when media people (incl video game employees) go mental on social media. It's not even about saying dumb thinks tanking a game or has no effect.

Just the immaturity shown is already incredible to see from grown adults (including directors). I dont think the typical giant corporation or business sector (which can be way bigger than gaming) has employees going mental on social media badmouthing gamers, bosses, virtue signalig etc....

They might do that on their own. But not affiliated with their own company or products. People in general seem to know how not to combine home politics and work life, but a lot gaming people treat it as one monolith. Truly odd.

 

[hlm666]

I myself will be avoiding consumption of colorful frogs.

Someone send this man some allens red frogs, he will be a frog eater for life once he has tasted the majestic red frog.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Always amazing when media people (incl video game employees) go mental on social media. It's not even about saying dumb thinks tanking a game or has no effect.

Just the immaturity shown is already incredible to see from grown adults (including directors). I dont think the typical giant corporation or business sector (which can be way bigger than gaming) has employees going mental on social media badmouthing gamers, bosses, virtue signalig etc....

They might do that on their own. But not affiliated with their own company or products. People in general seem to know how not to combine home politics and work life, but a lot gaming people treat it as one monolith. Truly odd.

Completely agree. Social media was a mistake and the world has lent so far into attacking middle aged white males that everyone has had enough and rightfully so.

These guys are full grown man babies and need to be stopped.

Not what this game needs 2 months before launch. Especially after the genuinely great previews.

Now no one can defend the game, based on the game as they will be seen as picking a side.

I'm still gonna play it. The last previews I watched from smaller, I believe to be unbiased content creators makes the game sound really fucking good.