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[Buggy Loop]

Yeah, but the end result is a lesser game and that's what people are pointing to. It is legit criticism. And I say that while still thoroughly enjoying the game myself. We can have diverse thoughts about this.

Of course. Peoples imagined what it could have been based on the dev's past and I'm guilty of it. Now this is the game. I'm enjoying it (so far, still in first area). We can spend all year going with "what if" but I still think in due time peoples will look back at Avowed with a different outlook.

It must be confusing as fuck the message gamers send to Obsidian. On one hand, Fallout NV was a massive success (but not their franchise) while KOTOR 2 sold like shit. Pillars of eternity won various awards and accolates including best RPG of 2015 but it sold like shit. Pillars of eternity 2 even worse. It broke Josh Sawyer and he goes offroad with Pentiment. So do you risk it on Pillars of Eternity 3 in 3D with a massive budget? You try a different path? Seems they picked action-RPG.

I'll agree with ChorizoPicozo though that the message for what Avowed was clear as mud. Playthroughs,previews and marketing really did a shit job.

Had peoples seen this for years



It would be seen as a fantasy DOOM (Witchfire?) with melee builds and side quests in PoE world. Not Skyrim.

 

[Buggy Loop]

asmond gave it a 7/10

Will never play again

Of course you pick the lower score

7 vs 8
7.5 vs 8

That's preferences. Nothing to do with "will never play again" as if you are talking for the roach king.

Both good games. Stop being such a little bitch and grow up.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

Think what you are saying would be more understandable if this were not a $70 game. AAA prices gets AAA expectations.

I'd rather have one amazing game than two good ones as well.

If you are a Gamepass subscriber, you could make the argument, but yeah, no way is Avowed worth 70$

If it were up to Microsoft, they would surely be pushing Obsidian to develop bigger games. Publishers in the industry are strongly moving away from AA and smaller AAA games. The profits just aren't there for games like Avowed. Putting Obsidian on a big Fallout spin-off would be a huge money maker, but it doesn't sound like the studio is interested in developing a game of that scope

 

[JayK47]

It surprises me how many modern games have regressed in so many ways. Avowed looks really bad when enemies are running through town and the NPCs are like statues, including the guards. Like the whole town is just window dressing. They really rushed this out and cut a lot out or never even intended to include it. Avowed is definitely creating a lot of content for youtubers.

 

[MMaRsu]

Comparing steam CCU seems strange when you can just sub to gp

 

[Topher]

Of course. Peoples imagined what it could have been based on the dev's past and I'm guilty of it. Now this is the game. I'm enjoying it (so far, still in first area). We can spend all year going with "what if" but I still think in due time peoples will look back at Avowed with a different outlook.

It must be confusing as fuck the message gamers send to Obsidian. On one hand, Fallout NV was a massive success (but not their franchise) while KOTOR 2 sold like shit. Pillars of eternity won various awards and accolates including best RPG of 2015 but it sold like shit. Pillars of eternity 2 even worse. It broke Josh Sawyer and he goes offroad with Pentiment. So do you risk it on Pillars of Eternity 3 in 3D with a massive budget? You try a different path? Seems they picked action-RPG.

I'll agree with ChorizoPicozo though that the message for what Avowed was clear as mud. Playthroughs,previews and marketing really did a shit job.

Had peoples seen this for years



It would be seen as a fantasy DOOM (Witchfire?) with melee builds and side quests in PoE world. Not Skyrim.

Yeah.....I agree wtih you there. At some point you do have to put it all aside and say "this is what this game is. Am I enjoying it?" For me, despite agreeing with pretty much all the criticism, the answer is yes. It is a fun game and I'm going to keep playing it. Think that speaks for itself.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Of course you pick the lower score

7 vs 8
7.5 vs 8

That's preferences. Nothing to do with "will never play again" as if you are talking for the roach king.

Both good games. Stop being such a little bitch and grow up.

Roach king, that’s good.

Damn I am glad I never became one of these bitter people who only play games to find the faults. Or as we’ve been seeing more and more lately, simply making shit up to suit an agenda you can preach to your sheep on YouTube.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Both good games.

Not from what I can tell, this is pure mediocre slop. An RPG with a terrible story, characters, lore, and word isn’t going to go far

 

[Kacho]

It surprises me how many modern games have regressed in so many ways. Avowed looks really bad when enemies are running through town and the NPCs are like statues, including the guards. Like the whole town is just window dressing. They really rushed this out and cut a lot out or never even intended to include it. Avowed is definitely creating a lot of content for youtubers.

1.5 million views

 

[Spukc]

Meanwhile

 

[adamsapple]

Of course you pick the lower score

And then he says this in a different thread.

I've done nothing but post my perspective and receipts, engaging in the discussion itself with facts.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

And then he says this in a different thread.

Nothing is factually untrue, my man

 

[Blank Space Invader]

Fanboys arguing with fanboys. It's the same no matter where I go.

 

[laynelane]

It really does. Having a vibrant city does as well. These are areas where Avowed is certainly lacking. Really don't have a problem with these comparison videos myself. These are legit criticisms.

I go back to Skyrim now and then, it's a comfortable game for me, and these videos are actually giving me some new appreciation for the game. As someone who rarely plays WRPGs, I had no idea it was doing so many different things that we may or may not see in newer games.

 

[adamsapple]

Fanboys arguing with fanboys. It's the same no matter where I go.

So you actively choose to go in threads where fanboys are arguing with fanboys?

 

[Kacho]

The internet would be boring without strong personalities raising hell.

 

[BigLee74]

So you actively choose to go in threads where fanboys are arguing with fanboys?

Surely this applies to just about every thread in the gaming forum?

 

[Topher]

Surely this applies to just about every thread in the gaming forum?

No, just the ones you post in

 

[adamsapple]

No, just the ones you post in

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Not from what I can tell, this is pure mediocre slop. An RPG with a terrible story, characters, lore, and word isn’t going to go far

What terrible lore? Pillars lore is cool.

 

[BigLee74]

No, just the ones you post in

 

[Buggy Loop]

What terrible lore? Pillars lore is cool.

He doesn’t know what he’s ranting about of course

Not from what I can tell, this is pure mediocre slop. An RPG with a terrible story, characters, lore, and word isn’t going to go far

Ah you good little astroturfingbot, as if you have any credibility. You picked a dude giving up to 7.5 and then a game with an 8. No but not like that, one is pure mediocre slop while the other is good?

What do you think the roach king thinks of real slop like spider-man 2?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

He doesn’t know what he’s ranting about of course



Ah you good little astroturfingbot, as if you have any credibility. You picked a dude giving up to 7.5 and then a game with an 8. No but not like that, one is pure mediocre slop while the other is good?

What do you think the roach king thinks of real slop like spider-man 2?

When he wants your opinion he will give it to you

And you are right he has zero credibility except to maybe 4 or 5 of his followers that repeat some of what he says

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

He doesn’t know what he’s ranting about of course



Ah you good little astroturfingbot, as if you have any credibility. You picked a dude giving up to 7.5 and then a game with an 8. No but not like that, one is pure mediocre slop while the other is good?

What do you think the roach king thinks of real slop like spider-man 2?

I don't give a shit about Roach King's thoughts in general, I was just pointing out the score he threw out for the game. He didn't give it a 10/10 masterpiece score. It's basically middling fodder.

If Roach King's takes are all you have to defend this game's quality, that speaks volumes.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

When he wants your opinion he will give it to you

And you are right he has zero credibility except to maybe 4 or 5 of his followers that repeat some of what he says

I don't know what your beef here is with me. But keep that projection train going. I never said anyone is NOT allowed to like this game. But let's quit pretending that it reached the mark many were expecting. It's going to settle in the 70s in metacritic, and its CCUs are extremely weak.

Quite a far distance aways from that reveal trailer that had everyone excited, a dark fantasy game that somehow turned into ugly fungus women from the same art director philosophy that brought you Concord.

 

[adamsapple]

I don't give a shit about Roach King's thoughts in general, I was just pointing out the score he threw out for the game. He didn't give it a 10/10 masterpiece score. It's basically middling fodder.

If Roach King's takes are all you have to defend this game's quality, that speaks volumes.

You don't give a shit about his thoughts, but you'll repeatedly refer his review 7.5 review score.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

You don't give a shit about his thoughts, but you'll repeatedly refer his review 7.5 review score.

I was responding to your post that said "Asmond liked it"

Oh, geez guys. That's great news. Asmy liked it! He really did! Who cares about his thoughts again...? Probably the person that originally cited him. Derp.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

At the end of the day, Avowed is so mid it’s not even worth all the drama in this thread. It’s generic content, a slop (slightly enjoyable one). The game is not even broken enough to generate lolz nor it aggressively bad to be emotional. It’s bland serviceable shlock for subscription service.

Hell, we won’t even remember it in GOTY discussion. It’s not worth the mutual fanboying, my fellow GAFers.

 

[laynelane]

At the end of the day, Avowed is so mid it’s not even worth all the drama in this thread. It’s generic content, a slop (slightly enjoyable one). The game is not even broken enough to generate lolz nor it aggressively bad to be emotional. It’s bland serviceable shlock for subscription service.

Hell, we won’t even remember it in GOTY discussion. It’s not worth the mutual fanboying, my fellow GAFers.

If this is true (can't say personally as I haven't played it), then the issue here might be that it's Obsidian. For such a storied developer, this would be a pretty sad fall from grace.

 

[kikii]

For what, stating Obsidian's previous CCUs?

I critiqued the fuck out of Starfield and I'm a PC gamer. I don't care for plastic boxes. They're all 3rd parties to me.

There's games from both "camps" (what a cringe thing) in my library and some I love some I don't on both sides.

Obsidian being caught in the middle of console warring when if they had been independent it would have not make any waves is pretty telling about the state of "young" idiots running around trying to stir shit.

calling someone retard is what xboxlive is with 12 years old teens like you >>>



wheeee



20 years apart and that what it is

 

[Wildebeest]

It's a game pass game so no matter what steam numbers say Microsoft are very pleased with it and have ten-year plan to support it right up until they shut down the studio. But my guestimate of what this game would be doing on steam ccu if wasn't on gamepass is 40k+.

 

[JTCx]

At the end of the day, Avowed is so mid it’s not even worth all the drama in this thread. It’s generic content, a slop (slightly enjoyable one). The game is not even broken enough to generate lolz nor it aggressively bad to be emotional. It’s bland serviceable shlock for subscription service.

Hell, we won’t even remember it in GOTY discussion. It’s not worth the mutual fanboying, my fellow GAFers.

This game is the definition of minimum viable product.

 

[adamsapple]

This game is the definition of minimum viable product.

obsessed.jpg

 

[Buggy Loop]

calling someone retard is what xboxlive is with 12 years old teens like you >>>

I’m old but a teen

Make up your mind

You’re triggered for an obsidian list of their CCU peaks. Truly retarded. No wonder your account is 2020

 

[JTCx]

obsessed.jpg

I love a good train wreck

 

[Kacho]

 

[laynelane]

"You gotta accept a little jank to do something fun and creative, I think."

haha Wow, someone from Obsidian really said that.

Aside from that bit of cringe, love this guy's videos. He's got a great sense of humour.

 

[adamsapple]

I love a good train wreck

Hence I screen capped it for posterity

"You gotta accept a little jank to do something fun and creative, I think."

haha Wow, someone from Obsidian really said that. .

I gotta hand it to these grifters, they're the masters of their craft at clipping out of context statements.

interviewer asked if a little bit of jank is acceptable in open world games and that's when she replied that.

Kacho bruh change the avatar back, can't recognize you with this new one.

 

[Buggy Loop]

"You gotta accept a little jank to do something fun and creative, I think."

haha Wow, someone from Obsidian really said that.

Is she wrong?

KCD 1 & 2 - Jank
Gothic / Risen - Jank
STALKER - Jank

The eurojank trifecta I would say even

Witcher 3 - Jank
Elden ring - Jank
Mass Effect - Jank
KOTOR - Massive jank
Alpha protocol - Jank
Monster Hunter - LOL jank
Vampire the Masquerade - Definition of jank, fixed by ton of mods

The context of the interview
"is a little jank kind of a good thing?" "You gotta accept a little jank to do something fun and creative"

→ GAME IS BROKEN AS FUCK

Oh wait, its not broken as fuck, peoples have been playing it.

Again, easy baiting by youtubers. When you go in a game wanting to find something negative, oh you'll find it. In any games, regardless of score or popularity.

 

[Kacho]

Kacho Kacho bruh change the avatar back, can't recognize you with this new one.

Sorry but I can't. I made a blood pact with my boy DonkeyPunchJr today. Can't change it back until I complete Xenoblade Chronicles X.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Sorry but I can't. I made a blood pact with my boy DonkeyPunchJr today. Can't change it back until I complete Xenoblade Chronicles X.

But can you finish it?

Just pulling your leg

 

[Kacho]

But can you finish it?

Just pulling your leg

I couldn't tell you purple from blue. I'm colorblind.

 

[laynelane]

Hence I screen capped it for posterity



I gotta hand it to these grifters, they're the masters of their craft at clipping out of context statements.

interviewer asked if a little bit of jank is acceptable in open world games and that's when she replied that.

Jank can be a side product of creating big games that take risks, not sure how it ties into being creative or fun. You can hand it to the grifters if you like, but that reply was not good nor was it a good look for the studio.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Sorry but I can't. I made a blood pact with my boy DonkeyPunchJr today. Can't change it back until I complete Xenoblade Chronicles X.

It’s a done deal. If you back out now, you will be cursed with severe Xenoface forever.

 

[Banjo64]

The thing that gets me with Xbox releases is that people highlighted the lack of foliage movement in Gears 5 back in 2019.

You might laugh or think that’s insignificant, but it’s not. Miyamoto made the OOT dev team add details like slicing the wooden sign posts in the same direction as the blade swing.

The overall result is that with this lack of attention to detail, a lot of Xbox single player games just feel inauthentic, staged, dead and bizarre.

This is feedback that they’re aware of and instead of thinking ‘let’s do better’ it’s just ‘let’s carry on as is’. And ok, that’s fine, but I’m never going to spend my time playing games like that when we get 5-10 world class releases a year.

 

[SJRB]

The thing that gets me with Xbox releases is that people highlighted the lack of foliage movement in Gears 5 back in 2019.

You might laugh or think that’s insignificant, but it’s not. Miyamoto made the OOT dev team add details like slicing the wooden sign posts in the same direction as the blade swing.

The overall result is that with this lack of attention to detail, a lot of Xbox single player games just feel inauthentic, staged, dead and bizarre.

This is feedback that they’re aware of and instead of thinking ‘let’s do better’ it’s just ‘let’s carry on as is’. And ok, that’s fine, but I’m never going to spend my time playing games like that when we get 5-10 world class releases a year.

Only stans and retards defend gross immersion-breaking design.

Immersion is one of the most fundamental principles of videogame design, anyone who says "it doesn't matter" is either lying or just an absolute nitwit.

This game has some insanely poorly designed shit going on like NPCs not reacting to anything, nobody walking around cities, a ton of stuff that games 12 years ago nailed but Avowed for some reason can't.

There is no reason for anyone to defend this, either. Unless you are an Obsidian dev there is no reason to go "well you know, nobody reacts to anything but that's okay". It's not okay, you doofus. You paid 70 bucks for this game, have some standards.

 

[simpatico]

Of course. Peoples imagined what it could have been based on the dev's past and I'm guilty of it. Now this is the game. I'm enjoying it (so far, still in first area). We can spend all year going with "what if" but I still think in due time peoples will look back at Avowed with a different outlook.

It must be confusing as fuck the message gamers send to Obsidian. On one hand, Fallout NV was a massive success (but not their franchise) while KOTOR 2 sold like shit. Pillars of eternity won various awards and accolates including best RPG of 2015 but it sold like shit. Pillars of eternity 2 even worse. It broke Josh Sawyer and he goes offroad with Pentiment. So do you risk it on Pillars of Eternity 3 in 3D with a massive budget? You try a different path? Seems they picked action-RPG.

I'll agree with ChorizoPicozo though that the message for what Avowed was clear as mud. Playthroughs,previews and marketing really did a shit job.

Had peoples seen this for years



It would be seen as a fantasy DOOM (Witchfire?) with melee builds and side quests in PoE world. Not Skyrim.

People wanted Obsidian to make an Obsidian game. This looks like some indie FPS that should cost $30. If the most redeeming quality about an Obsidian game is the action combat, something went horribly wrong.

 

[adamsapple]

Jank can be a side product of creating big games that take risks, not sure how it ties into being creative or fun. You can hand it to the grifters if you like, but that reply was not good nor was it a good look for the studio.

You should probably hear the tone of the question and answer yourself to see. Clipping that line out of context has been the favorite past time of the 'usual' YT channels.

2.30 min mark

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

People wanted Obsidian to make an Obsidian game. This looks like some indie FPS that should cost $30. If the most redeeming quality about an Obsidian game is the action combat, something went horribly wrong.

Man.. what? Please forward me some game suggestions if you are coming across indie FPS that are akin to this.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Man the takes on Avowed here are amazing