I'm confused. You're saying it makes no sense to buy the game at launch because more content will come out for it later and the level cap will be raised?
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Destiny 2 Reveal Info Summary Thread: Trailers, Videos, Details, Screens, More
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Jest Chillin
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Level cap really doesn't mean too much because Light Level (Gearscore in other games) is the primary measurement of both power and completion. You'll hit max Level before you complete all the content in the game, especially the Co-op stuff like Nightfall and the Raid and there's always a fresh experience in Crucible since it's PvP.
Well, with teams 1/3 smaller i believe 3 zones would be too much.
Control was my favorite mode. I'm also worried how 4x4 will impact this mode.
I understand their reasoning but i wish they could balance pvp around 6x6.
blue_phazon
Member
Destiny is a much better game to experience at launch, and playing the content along with everyone else. I'm not sure why you care about level cap, when levels just determine what equipment you can use. Your light level is what really matters, and that will be a steady progression, regardless of when you start the game.
everyday math
Banned
If it does come back it would probably come back in the form of like king of the hill with one spot.
Right, there is that. What's still missing is things like how the Needler would set off an explosion if one enemy got filled with enough needles. Each projectile was a homing missile. Stuff like that.
Though I can see that being overall difficult to implement in a MMO-ish game where there is gonna have to be lots and lots of weapons.
Herp Derpington
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I can see control coming back as long as the levels are smaller. I doubt we'll get many levels like Cathedral of Dusk or even Rusted Lands. There needs to be 3 points though unless they have something else in mind for the gametype.
everyday math
Banned
3 is too much for 4v4 to enjoyable.
Herp Derpington
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Depends on the size of the map. Something like The Anomaly would work as it's small enough with enough mobility to get around quick and contend for the third zone. Having a two zone control game doesn't really offer the desire to try to take the other zone. Just hold yours and get kills. There's no bonuses for advantage kills, it's just a game of stalemate. It needs a 3rd zone for contention.
everyday math
Banned
That's why you would do a king of the hill style game type.
Halo 5 has a very similar gametype called Strongholds that works great in 4v4, and it has three control points.
Herp Derpington
Member
Yeah I can see that, didn't really think about it. Guess I just like the current Control gametype too much if I play 6s.
Man, this is so sad. I wanted to play it on PC, but all my group play on PS4. Transferring all those people to PC is just not possible. I wanted to play solo on PC and then raid with them on PS4. I think there will be people in the same situation and they lost some double dipping sales.
Same thing happened for me with Overwatch
Herp Derpington
Member
Man, this is so sad. I wanted to play it on PC, but all my group play on PS4. Transferring all those people to PC is just not possible. I wanted to play solo on PC and then raid with them on PS4. I think there will be people in the same situation and they lost some double dipping sales.
Same thing happened for me with Overwatch
They didn't lose on double dipping sales, Idiots like me who have to play the game on all platforms will more than make up for it. I've got the special edition pre-ordered on Xbox, PS4, and PC. I'll probably keep step for step with each platform too as that's what I did for the first game on my PS4 and Xbox accounts.
Jest Chillin
Member
The only issue is that unless the maps are made such as the capture point has at least 6 entry points and no "safe" spots, King of the Hill would inherently push the King team to camp entry points.
I'm what I would consider a traditional sniper, i.e. I don't run and gun with a sniper rifle (which many people consider camping) and even I don't think that's going to make for a very good mode unless the map design is absolutely on point for such a mode.
Jest Chillin
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They will be different from the first game. There's no character builder. Wouldn't tell you anything even if there was. The classes play different when it comes to abilities (Specials, Supers, grenades, and melee) and a character creator wouldn't showcase that.
Best you can do to figure out what you might like without purchasing the first game would be to look up videos on the classes.
everyday math
Banned
Well they have said they're making maps for the game types in mind.
I mean it's not like it's never been done one before in other games.
Jest Chillin
Member
I know they've said the maps are tailored for the game mode. The question is whether or not they can make enough maps tailored specifically for a King of the Hill game mode. It doesn't seem super easy or fast for them to build maps.
As for "it's been done before" well maps with vehicles on them were popular in Halo.. and we see how that went for Destiny.
https://twitter.com/knowsworthy/status/866651641331580929
"The paths in each subclass can't be mixed and matched. They are designed to work as a group of 4 together.
e.g. This path or that path." https://twitter.com/sn1p3d_00/status/866571326965731328
I suppose this is confirmation that with each of the 4-perk blocks in a subclass, only 1 can be active. No more mixing and matching subclass perks.
Should help from a balancing perspective, but undoubtably will be limiting in player customization.
"The paths in each subclass can't be mixed and matched. They are designed to work as a group of 4 together.
e.g. This path or that path." https://twitter.com/sn1p3d_00/status/866571326965731328
I suppose this is confirmation that with each of the 4-perk blocks in a subclass, only 1 can be active. No more mixing and matching subclass perks.
Should help from a balancing perspective, but undoubtably will be limiting in player customization.
Some people seem to be using the level cap as a gauge for the breadth and depth of launch content.
Should be easy to see why that perspective is silly.
I'm OK with that if the Armor, Recovery, and Agility stats being linked with gear allows for some added build customization. The way the abilities and subclass builds were implemented in D1 was sloppy. Having to choose a different melee attack to get more agility or something was a pain and most people just used the abilities that worked well together anyway. This could allow us to be able to get those auxiliary stats loaded out like we want alongside the abilities we want. I do hope we get more than two attunements down the line. Looks like there's space for a third.
Not to mention that the first mission (Homecoming) appears to be setup to give you a taste of what that class has to offer before it all gets taken away from you as the story progresses.
There's also no indication​ they we won't get three at launch. I wouldn't hold your breath, but the ones we did see seemed to be mostly minor tweaks and variations of what we know the subclass already does. We have a baseline to work from with those two, but a third perk tree would likely depart from that drastically to the point of it being worth keeping it quiet for now.
New vid from Datto.
The Gunslinger Hunter Subclass Revamp (New and Changed Perks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iVH9FJISIg
Looks like the really improved the PVE aspect of Gunslinger. Orb on crit hits with Golden Gun is great, Chain of Woe for everybody. Like Datto says it feels more like a real dps class now.
The Gunslinger Hunter Subclass Revamp (New and Changed Perks)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iVH9FJISIg
Looks like the really improved the PVE aspect of Gunslinger. Orb on crit hits with Golden Gun is great, Chain of Woe for everybody. Like Datto says it feels more like a real dps class now.
The changes to the returning classes seem much more impactful within the D2 sandbox than they look to be at a glance. Good to hear.
gutter_trash
Banned
oh! the Chains of Woe also buff nearby allies
duhmetree
Member
That locked cluster is going to be Golden Gun galore in PvE... orb machine... constant supers for everyone... difference this time.... no bubbles
I don't disagree, and I also hope that this is an easy way for Bungie to just add Attunements because they'd only need to balance those 4 new perks together, and not new perks alongside the previous 8 and so on.
As an example, this new subclass system makes it so Shoulder Charge can't be chosen with a perk that returns Health on melee kills. They're on separate trees.
ChubbleDucks
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No mention yet. Majority of the videos show max light at 200 and weapons/armour requires lvl14
bobbyrawlins
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Misread
duhmetree
Member
For boss crits or major/ultra crit hits?
duhmetree
Member
Exactly my thoughts... Another way they're making the game more about gun skill for PvP, instead of a mesh of OP abilities... I'm actually getting more hyped as the days go by..
This was a big take-away from it for me, too. I'm way more lenient about character customization when it's not the focus of the core gameplay experience, which would be the shooting for Destiny. I'm perfectly fine with them balancing little packages for the subclasses. I hope that means a more satisfying experience when it comes to all our little toys.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
This a terrible limitation on build creativity. Another example of them hurting pve for the sake of pvp balancing.
The Lamonster
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Should we be concerned that Vicarious Visions has no PC development experience?
Bungie are also working on the PC version. It's a joint effort and the build shown at the event was solid. I don't see any reason to be concerned yet.
Vicarious was the studio that did all those Tony Hawk ports to GBA when nobody thought even a faux-3D game would be possible, and downported games to the Wii and DS with good results. There really isn't much of a tech knowledge leap between platforms, and their experience with porting to low power devices would indicate to me that D2 PC should be well optimized.
RebornYeti
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I was hoping a thread like this would pop up. I don't tend to have a lot of time watching the videos to get an idea for myself lol.
I'm liking what I'm reading though. The fact that it is more open world has me intrigued.
I'm liking what I'm reading though. The fact that it is more open world has me intrigued.
duhmetree
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I know someone pointed out that the Gameplay Reveal was a 3-6month old build...
It was fairly obvious that the campaign mission had a lot more polish and better visual fidelity than the Strike... In that regard the strike felt somewhat 'muted' and lackluster... not because of the content but because of the difference in polish/fidelity.
I'm hoping everything looks like the Homecoming mission... in beautiful 4K HDR
After watching the Strike again... It's much different than D1 strikes... It doesn't feel as tunneled/linear.. It's a massive open area, to the point where all 3 guardians are spread out, yet moving in the same direction... Crazy amounts of enemies... The earth drill jumping puzzle thing looks amazing... The new memory ceiling gives me great hopes and hype for the Raid...
It was fairly obvious that the campaign mission had a lot more polish and better visual fidelity than the Strike... In that regard the strike felt somewhat 'muted' and lackluster... not because of the content but because of the difference in polish/fidelity.
I'm hoping everything looks like the Homecoming mission... in beautiful 4K HDR
After watching the Strike again... It's much different than D1 strikes... It doesn't feel as tunneled/linear.. It's a massive open area, to the point where all 3 guardians are spread out, yet moving in the same direction... Crazy amounts of enemies... The earth drill jumping puzzle thing looks amazing... The new memory ceiling gives me great hopes and hype for the Raid...
Dhruv_hanom
Member
Any news on the last 3 subclasses? Have they been confirmed ? Would be weird if the game only had two sub-classes to begin with
NullPointer
Member
Thats too bad. I actually liked what they had written out on enemies, factions, etc. Just didn't like having to go to an out-of-band source to see that stuff.
There's no way they'll be able to get that same detail and flavor of those grimoire cards through NPC/cinematic/environmental storytelling.
On a positive note, very glad to read the sprint cooldown has been removed. That always felt crazy out of the place.
GuitarAtomik
Member
So did they ever put out a decent explanation for their choice to go 4v4 for all PvP modes? The more I think about it, the less I'm a fan of it.
this is a shame. i liked the grimoire cards. just wanted them accessible in-game. i thought that's what the "lore" button was about? oh well
duhmetree
Member
The accurate leaker said TTK subclasses will be back... who knows...
I'm hoping for Nightstalker to become better at PvP since GG seems PvE oriented.
I'm hoping for SunTitan to carry a massive WarHammer instead of throwing hammers.
I'm hoping Stormtrance requiring some form of skill to use