Desprado123
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One more thing to add is that on DLSS Performance on 4K this game can take VRAM usage to nearly 11.5 GB, highest ever for UE5 standard.
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Digital Foundry: Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2 - PS5/Xbox Series X|S/PC Tech Review - Is 60FPS Viable on Consoles?
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Oof, we can see the massive CPU limitations here. The 4090 is only 21% faster than the 7900 XT and neck-and-neck with the 4080 brothers.
Much more for 1080p.
Desprado123
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This game is CPU heavy. On 1440p/DLSS Quality at Ultra settings the GPU usage is 67%.
on 4K/DLSS Performance Ultra Settings the GPU usage is 83%.
on 4K/DLSS Performance Ultra Settings the GPU usage is 83%.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No HDR.
Mr Moose
Member
This game's probably got one of, if not the, biggest gaps in multi-platform performance I've seen in a long while, since the days of Bayonetta PS3.
No, it's Hammer Of War:40K
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rodrigolfp
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Everywhere??? If I a had 2 stutters it was too much. It's smooth.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Space Marine 2 doesn't have a 120hz mode to compare sadly.
If the performance was just linearly doubled from its 60hz mode, it'd be bigger than that ghostwire picture.
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intbal
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Stafford
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Damn. Ah well, better no HDR than trash HDR implementation and us having to go through the hassle of disabling HDR on a system level each time.
Mr Moose
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It can't even hit 60, so no it wouldn't be doubled.
midasmulligan
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GeForce Now it is then, eh?
Radical_3d
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What happened to the GPPU era? The last generation was supposed to have computational task aided by the GPU. Did we lost that? Is something that nobody used? I remember the Ubisoft tech demo of AC Unity where they made crowd animation with the One and PS4 GPUs.
DenchDeckard
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We can see the ps5 advantage but 80fps vs 96 is going to feel and play so much smoother than 36fps and 50 fps on a vrr display.
Mr Moose
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thatJohann
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Guess I’ll wait for the PS5 Pro to play this
JusticeForAll
Gold Member
Love the game, but it sure does look fuzzy on ps5.
BigLee74
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Mostly peaceful indeed. Unless you cherry pick a screenshot then he’s fucking going for your throat!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Mostly peaceful indeed. Unless you cherry pick a screenshot then he’s fucking going for your throat!
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Interesting you’re the second person who says that here. Alex said there are shader compilation stutters and showed them on screen.
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
Yep, totally went at the man’s throat with my tame posts merely pointing out some disingenuousness.
Yep, I’m the one taking things to the extreme here
Totally not the guy saying this is the “worst performance difference since the PS3 era” accompanied by an intentionally misleading screenshot and a jay z cringe gif lmao
Yep, I’m the one taking things to the extreme here
Totally not the guy saying this is the “worst performance difference since the PS3 era” accompanied by an intentionally misleading screenshot and a jay z cringe gif lmao
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BigLee74
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Ah, you’re taking this way too seriously
MostlyPeaceful
Banned
Console wars are serious business, brother!Ah, you’re taking this way too seriously
intbal
Member
Credit to XboxEra for locating this old interview where the Saber CEO talks about the future of their engine.
So, is Space Marine 2 using mesh shaders and SFS?
Beats me. But it might be one reason that Series X is overperforming in this game.
So, is Space Marine 2 using mesh shaders and SFS?
Beats me. But it might be one reason that Series X is overperforming in this game.
Portugeezer
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45fps at its worst in performance mode is just about acceptable.
35fps in performance mode is shit. And no, fuck PS5 Pro.
35fps in performance mode is shit. And no, fuck PS5 Pro.
Denton
Member
I get Alex's annoyance with shader comp stutter, particularly when the game already has shader precompilation step, but still he somewhat overstates how intrusive it is in this game. One or two dropped frames in 30 minutes and really only at the beginning of the game is not something anyone other than him is gonna notice.
PC version is good as long as one has at least Ryzen 5X.
PC version is good as long as one has at least Ryzen 5X.
None of those would do anything for lifting supposed CPU limits.
Either it's not CPU limited (on consoles*) or it's got nothing to do with GPU features used/unused.
I guess if it runs better on PS5Pro we'll have that answer.
Ok technically there's a 3rd possibility - it could be only CPU limited on PS5 - the 'API difference' has occasionally cut the other way, even in PS4 era - where GNM implementation was absurdly bad for the CPU in comparison to DX, but that was entirely a software problem.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Wonder how this'll run on my 5800X + 4070 Super rig. Game looks GREAT, both graphically and fun wise.
Was going to buy it but it turns out it doesn't come out for everyone until Monday. Who the fuck releases a game on a Monday? Damn.
Was going to buy it but it turns out it doesn't come out for everyone until Monday. Who the fuck releases a game on a Monday? Damn.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Impossible to tell by just looking at it, but wouldn’t you say the CPU demands are way too high for what’s on offer? A 7800X3D cannot break past 120 in this game. It doesn’t seem like it should be this CPU-intensive.
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SecretAgentHam
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Running the game on Ultra with DLSS/Quality on a 5900X + RTX 3090 (no overclocks). Getting about 70-100 FPS depending on zone at 1440P resolution. I can crank out a bit more if I change my CPU Power Performance on Windows, but it wasn't giving enough of a boost to warrant the higher temps. Game is best played on PC IMO. Fantastic gameplay.
Well, we only have CPU measurements on PC side so there's no way to tell what's happening on console.
Anyway, the usual reasons you'd be CPU limited in the scenes shown is driving all those animated entities, and then submitting their draw-calls (depending on how the engine does that). The former would be largely format agnostic (at least without major rewrites between platforms, and multiplatform software just doesn't do this in this day and age) - but the latter could be an order of magnitude faster on 'a' console - and it's also something that could be faster only on 'one' of the consoles.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The cutscenes having the same kind of drops shows it's probably not just CPU on consoles. My guess at least.
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Timberwolf25
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Aren't the cutscenes realtime with just a cinematic direction and not CGI? If so, it could be a reason why there is a difference still.
Just a guess
The cutscene clip that shows the difference has hordes of moving enemies in the scene as well. If it 'is' CPU - it would still be a problem there.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
True. I am reminded of Halo 2's fully real time cut-scenes where the AI covenants are attacking MC while he's talking to someone. It's probably running routines in the background.
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Remnant 2 last year on my series X seemed to run really well.
SKYF@ll
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Focus game engine may consume an unusual amount of memory bandwidth.
PS5 (CPU & GPU): 448GB/s, RTX2070S: 448GB/s, XSX: 560GB/s
If bandwidth had a big impact, a 20% performance difference would make sense.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
True. Though it did not use the full UE5 suite, it did run with Nanite and a very good 60fps on console.
STALKER 2's previews and DF coverage from Gamescom is also pretty good, looks like that's gonna be the next big / good 60fps UE5 game.
intbal
Member
The Series X also has significantly more FPU bandwidth (37% greater read b/w, 54% greater write b/w).
I have no idea how or if that would make any difference in performance. But it's one of the architectural differences between the two CPUs.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
SX has a split memory pool though. 10GB at 560GB/s and 6GB at 336GB/s.
SportsFan581
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At least the speed mode is mostly sticking to freesync VRR range on XSX, makes the dips a bit more palatable. Quality mode looks decent enough.
GametimeUK
Member
Wow a developer actually found the Xbox Tools.
CPU workloads that are bandwidth sensitive are very uncommon - and they certainly wouldn't consume anywhere near frametime to amount to double-digit % difference to framerate. You'd need a speed delta of 10x or more for that to meaningfully register on frame times.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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European devs are THE worst when it comes to console optomization! Almost every game Ive played from them is crap compared to PC
skyfinch
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Because Xbox is a beast. No wonder Sony is releasing the Pro. They need it to deal with Series X's futuristic processing power.