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[Agent_4Seven]

DA is more technically advanced. The lip sync is just as good in this game.

But I get it, there is an anti-woke hate boner for this game

AFAIC, woke stuff doesn't influence my opinion, the game simply looks like a generic bloomfest from 2015, period. There's literally nothing to like about it visually except great looking Ice mage. I mean, hell, even NPCs look better than main characters.

Bro i never wrote what u quoted, u missquoted me instead of some1 else? Im not native english speaker, ez to tell those arent my words, grammar is simply too good;D

Edit:
Pretty sure u meant to quote that other guy, DavidGzz, coz u guys keep arguing about it looking/not looking like BG3

 

[DavidGzz]

AFAIC, woke stuff doesn't influence my opinion, the game simply looks like a generic bloomfest from 2015, period. There's literally nothing to like about it visually except great looking Ice mage. I mean, hell, even NPCs look better than main characters.

The video in the OP from 2 min to 2:21. It isn't even that great but there is not one scene in BG3 that is on that level. We can wait for DF to show how it rates technically but it's easily better than BG3. BG3 is impressive for its genre, but that is saying NOTHING. What is the competition? Pillars of Eternity? You're confusing graphic prowess with your preferred art style.

 

[Brigandier]

Looks like BG3 with real-time combat. I don't get the hate.

 

[DavidGzz]

Sorry, technically better but with a slightly worse art style. Better?

 

[Brigandier]

Sorry, technically better but with a slightly worse art style. Better?

Neither

 

[DavidGzz]

It's the newest iteration of the Frostbite engine. Again, you guys are talking about art style. Frostbite owns whatever BG3 uses.

 

[Kacho]

Was 50/50 when i checked few hours ago, 36k likes and 36k dislikes, lemme check now: 53k likes/70k dislikes, not even surprised, i loved previous DA, including inquisition and i cant help but feel disgusted with that one =/

 

[Agent_4Seven]

We can wait for DF to show how it rates technically

Why the fuck do we need DF to tell us anything and rate something for us if we can do that ourselves with our own eyes?

BG3 is impressive for its genre, but that is saying NOTHING.

Have you read what you just said? Idk if you noticed, but it doesn't make sense one bit.

What is the competition? Pillars of Eternity?

POE games have pre-rendered backgrounds in the style of Infinity Engine games which was a deliberate choice. Also, it's a 100% isometric game with a very old school dialogue system without complex character rendering and well shot and staged cutscenes.

You're confusing graphic prowess with your preferred art style.

I'm not confusing anything. Both technical aspects and artstyle are terrible and generic, as well as environmental design, enemy designs and most of the main cast they showed during gameplay presentation, not to mention the whole image is blured as fuck.

Anyway, this conversation is going nowhere. Obviously you're refusing to see the real picture. Have a good one.

 

[Zathalus]

Because of course noone is straight!!! Easy pass on this wokefest

What a dumb complaint. Dragon Age 2 did the same thing, so did BG3 last year as well. Even Skyrim was the same.

 

[Zheph]

What a dumb complaint. Dragon Age 2 did the same thing, so did BG3 last year as well. Even Skyrim was the same.

Let people hate in peace

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Because of course noone is straight!!! Easy pass on this wokefest

I mean, I mostly disliked the recent demo but isn't this... You know... Very beloved Baldur's Gate 3 in a nutshell?

 

[Hugare]

here

I freaking hate colour coded enemies

Seeing the same model with 5 different colours at the same fight looks so, so lazy.

Create different enemies with different abilities, ffs.

Spider-man 2 was the peak of this shit. At the end of the game you were fighting purple, yellow, green, blue and red venom type enemies in the same battle.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I just skimmed through the 20 minute video and it looks decent to me.

 

[Sentenza]

I started watching this thinking that the art style wasn't exactly my thing but it looked better than I was expecting during actual gameplay.
Then the combat started and that's where all my optimism died on the spot.

It looks like complete shit.

 

[Zathalus]

I started watching this thinking that the art style wasn't exactly my thing but it looked better than I was expecting during actual gameplay.
Then the combat started and that's where all my optimism died on the spot.

It looks like complete shit.

I can only hope as you level it gets more interesting. But it seems 3 abilities are the max per character so it's a very faint hope.

 

[DavidGzz]

Why the fuck do we need DF to tell us anything and rate something for us if we can do that ourselves with our own eyes?


Have you read what you just said? Idk if you noticed, but it doesn't make sense one bit.


POE games have pre-rendered backgrounds in the style of Infinity Engine games which was a deliberate choice. Also, it's a 100% isometric game with a very old school dialogue system without complex character rendering and well shot and staged cutscenes.


I'm not confusing anything. Both technical aspects and artstyle are terrible and generic, as well as environmental design, enemy designs and most of the main cast they showed during gameplay presentation, not to mention the whole image is blured as fuck.

Anyway, this conversation is going nowhere. Obviously you're refusing to see the real picture. Have a good one.

That's because you're confusing personal taste with facts. Frostbite 3 and this game are technically ahead of BG3s engine and tech specs. There is no 'real picture ' just opinion. The art style preference is just personal opinion plain and simple. Next.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I freaking hate colour coded enemies

Seeing the same model with 5 different colours at the same fight looks so, so lazy.

Let's not forget the best:

Red = fire enemy
Blue = ice enemy
Green = poison enemy

 

[foamdino]

Even DD2 with its nasty mtx and all kinds of performance issues(big city mostly, cpu related) looks like much better rpg, at least that thing can be ironed out/goty edition will likely have all dlcs, but bad game at its core like this shit is unfixable .

For comparision lil bit of gameplay(not trailers, actual gameplay) on rtx 4060(300$ gpu) and r5 5600(120$ cpu), in the city performance is much worse coz of cpu bottleneck but outside even on such a basic machine game looks and runs solid



Look how big contrast is character design, world design(actually open world, not fricken corridors), and no purple demons anywhere.

Thing is, if u got high end rig u can bruteforce its performance into smoothness, so it looks and runs like that, even in big city:

Yeah I forgot about DD2 - not my kind of game (I'd buy it and not really get much out of it), but I have a ton of respect for what the DD2 team achieved - unlike this Dragon Age tasteless gruel

 

[Exentryk]

Honestly the reveal was ass, i dont like it, its too stupid.
It feels the people who created this reveal are dumb and dont know what the actual fans want to see.
Examples:
-For instance the devs focused their reveal on a lame section of the game, a section where you just walk, watch small cutscene and then defeat repetitive recycled enemies.
#A smart dev would've picked a better section (if there is any) and showcases multiple layout to the level and more interaction, they would've also showed enemy variety and different ways to tackle them.
-Another example is dialogue, they showed little dialogue and when the time comes to pick a choice they showed us that the choice didn't matter, thats dumb way to market your game.
#It would've been better if they showed a choice that actually mattered
-Last example is what they chose to do, instead of showing the intrigue of Dragon Age universe they went for action gameplay as if this franchise was named God of Devil May CrySouls or something
#Instead of focusing on flashy combat that seems weightless they should've followed suit with a well prepared presentation where they tackle a quest from start to finish and show the grey morality and choice of the Dragon Age universe, they could show how dialogue is varied and how you can branch out with choice.

Overall the reveal doesn't strike me as good, nothing but generic action with flashy colors and not a single highlight on rpg mechanics, builds or abilities, not a single highlight on world or level design, not a single highligh on characters personality, not a single highlight on C&C systems.
It feels like they just wanted to show off their pretty colors and generic marvel action, the devs clearly lag out behind or they have no idea what they are doing, either way the reveal sucked imo and i wasn't impressed, i'm not hyped at all and i think the game will do worse than Inquisition.

This.

It was a pretty disappointing showing. Looks like a mediocre action game. And here I was hoping for some FF12 gambits in combat. Oh well.

 

[Frwrd]

Something tells me, they are going to nail this one!!

 

[Madflavor]

Would BG3 have been that bad if it played more like this?

I didn't play it so I can't comment on this.

 

[Sentenza]

Would BG3 have been that bad if it played more like this?

Yes.
Jesus Christ.

 

[foamdino]

"I don't know who Dragon Age: The Veilguard is for—it certainly doesn't seem to be RPG fans. BioWare gave us our first glimpse of the game in action this week, and while it was a big improvement over the initial reveal trailer, it seems to have completely shed its CRPG roots"

Dragon Age: The Veilguard's gameplay reveal emphasises just how terminally out of touch EA and BioWare have become

BioWare's latest RPG seems to be simultaneously ignoring its roots and stuck in the past.

www.pcgamer.com

 

[nicoGec]

It doesn’t look bad at all and those locations screenshots look amazing, but showing a demo with a a level 1 character was a mistake, if they want to sell the new combat system they have to show something more complex/advanced.

 

[Reaseru]

So Eve being sexy is bad and appeals to women objectification, but the "pansexual orgy fest" is cool for game jounalists. No complains about the objectification of sex in games? Well, as long it's made by a woke studio...it's ok.

I got it. Straight sex is bad...whatever other kink is good.

 

[Stafford]

These are some strong words, I really want to see the parts he has seen then.




Oh, he says he basically saw what we saw, except he also saw the bits they skip on in the public footage, hmm. It wasn't THAT great though. But we'll see.

 

[kiphalfton]

Btw what's with all these female RPG characters looking like offshoots of Aloy lately? It's really bizarre:

If by Aloy you mean Abby, then sure.

 

[darrylgorn]

So it's just Dragon Effect now.

 

[_Idea_of_Evil_]

I want this to be good so bad….it kinda sucks only having 2 companions.

Mass Effect had 3-person parties and was/is excellent. Art direction of the characters in The Veilguard aside, there's still some hope they've made something good if the gameplay, story, and overall tone are on point.

I too, want this to be good so bad.

 

[Stafford]

Good video this one! I do get the disappointment by the hardcore Origins fans. Combat wise this goes back to 2 but improved, and not much tactical elements are left. I personally never used this and the combat system of DAO actually was the one thing I couldn't get into. I did get far in the story, but sadly still dropped it because of the combat.

That being said, DAO's characters with the Origin stories, subject matters, story, choices was top notch. And I'm not gonna kid myself believing we have THAT BioWare back. I hope to be wrong but Origins was at times very dark, I don't think The Veilguard will be that. And if not, hopefully still a good enough story, interesting characters, cool choices that matter and a world worth exploring.

 

[Stafford]

 

[PeteBull]

Good video this one! I do get the disappointment by the hardcore Origins fans. Combat wise this goes back to 2 but improved, and not much tactical elements are left. I personally never used this and the combat system of DAO actually was the one thing I couldn't get into. I did get far in the story, but sadly still dropped it because of the combat.

That being said, DAO's characters with the Origin stories, subject matters, story, choices was top notch. And I'm not gonna kid myself believing we have THAT BioWare back. I hope to be wrong but Origins was at times very dark, I don't think The Veilguard will be that. And if not, hopefully still a good enough story, interesting characters, cool choices that matter and a world worth exploring.

GL bro, u , will be one of the few playing. among journos/paid streamers, dont see much more audience than that with that gameplay, i still could deceive myself/had hopes with just reveal/cgi trailer but cant really salvage the gameplay unfortunatelly

 

[Damageinc103]

I could be misremembering because it’s been so long, but doesn’t every other dragon age game only allow you two companions at a time?

The last Dragon Age had 4 people parties.

 

[Luipadre]

Yeah looks like Dragon Effect now. Still gonna play it since its DA lore. Need to see how are the RPG systems in this game if there is any left lol

 

[Life Diff]

Hate on it all you want, but this looks damn nice.

Nice art doesn't hide shit gameplay and bad dialogue. That chases you in to your dreams (or in DA theme the fade)

 

[Stafford]

GL bro, u , will be one of the few playing. among journos/paid streamers, dont see much more audience than that with that gameplay, i still could deceive myself/had hopes with just reveal/cgi trailer but cant really salvage the gameplay unfortunatelly

Oh I am not 100% sure yet though. I might end up waiting and see what some reviewers such as ACG and a few others I can trust say. I do want to play it but I cannot say with full certainty it's a day one for me.

Nice art doesn't hide shit gameplay and bad dialogue. That chases you in to your dreams (or in DA theme the fade)

I so hope this won't be the case. I do not expect superb stories, characters such as in DAO, unfortunately we won't ever get that again. But a decent story please? Not that I can remember much from DAI's story.

 

[Braag]

Despite the art style not being my cup of tea. The enemy design is what hurts me the most. Previous DA games had some cool looking demons, now they just look like incredibly uninspired floating wraiths. Here's hoping they haven't butchered the look of the darkspawn too.

 

[RavageX]

This doesn't seem like Dragon Age. Looks better than Dragon Age 2 at least.

If I play this, I'll get it cheap off some cd key site.

 

[StereoVsn]

Combat needs to be well balanced and not feel mundane, pointless.

Most rpgs that try to mix real time with strategy/rpg elements end up feeling inconsequential, like going through the motions.

If it can somehow avoid that, it will be miracle, and probably an enjoyable game.

And saying this is Baldur’s Gate 3 with action combat is deliberately being insulting to BG3.

The latter had a huge amount of character action choices and subsequent consequences. Combat and environment together had a lot of emergent gameplay. The game had a great story, very well written quests, amazing characters AND great atmosphere.

Suicide: Veilguard doesn’t seem to have an iota of any of the above. And dumbed down combat on top.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

I don't know who Dragon Age: The Veilguard is for—it certainly doesn't seem to be RPG fans

I remember the exact same sentiment being shared when Mass Effect 2 released… and isn’t it now considered the best in the series?

 

[Salz01]

The romancing the characters is funny, because they all look like muppets. I hope ,you can push them off a cliff.

 

[digital_ghost]

The romancing the characters is funny, because they all look like muppets. I hope ,you can push them off a cliff.

 

[chikydee]

As a big Dragon Age fan I think it looks fine, though the companions aren't as visually appealing to me compared to those in DA:O, in particular Morrigan and Alistair.

 

[Madflavor]

As a big Dragon Age fan I think it looks fine, though the companions aren't as visually appealing to me compared to those in DA:O, in particular Morrigan and Alistair.

A lot of them do look pretty lame, but granted we haven’t seen most them speak yet.

I do like Harding though. Cool they made her a companion.

 

[foamdino]

I remember the exact same sentiment being shared when Mass Effect 2 released… and isn’t it now considered the best in the series?

I don't consider the Mass Effect games to be a: good, or b: RPGs.

The comparison between this (alleged RPG) and Mass Effect may be more on point than you thought.

 

[chikydee]

A lot of them do look pretty lame, but granted we haven’t seen most them speak yet.

I do like Harding though. Cool they made her a companion.

True, I'll hold back further judgement until the game comes out, maybe they'll surprise us. As for Harding, it's great she's a companion, but part of me wonders.. why? Lol I don't remember her being a very big part of dragon age inquisition, I guess she was likeable enough but I would've been much happier with someone like Varric, since he's already an established character. Him being a common thread throughout multiple DA games would be pretty cool.

 

[TheSHEEEP]

As expected, the gameplay itself looks less shit than the awful trailer made it seem. But it still looks like an extremely dumbed down version of previous entries in the series.
More action, more frantic button mashing, waaayyyy fewer abilities (looks like three active ones at a time? wtf?), no direct control over companions, no real strategies or tactics....

Which is probably great for mass market appeal, but personally I'm out. That's not what I want in an a Dragon Age game.

 

[Red5]

Dragon Age: The Veilguard's gameplay reveal emphasises just how terminally out of touch EA and BioWare have become

BioWare's latest RPG seems to be simultaneously ignoring its roots and stuck in the past.

www.pcgamer.com

Got to agree on PC Gamer with this one, Dragon Age moving away from complex and deep systems towards a more cinematic experience has been the death of the franchise.

Sad thing is Disco Elysium, Pillars of Eternity, Baldur's Gate prove that deep and complex cRPG's not only sell well but sell great, it's just EA refuses to see it.

 

[Majukun]

fell off the series after the first...this one looks so damn generic...asnd the removal of any semblance of turn system kinda kills any remaining interest

 

[Stafford]

Do we know who the writer is? I'm curious for what other games this person has written stories.