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Elon Musk vs Asmongold as Elon is caught lying about his PoE2 account
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a'la mode
Neo Member
Did SpaceX catch a rocket? Yes. Is that amazing? Hell yes it is! Did Elon have anything to do with that? Hell no he didn't.
He did not invent any of that or contribute anything to the technological achievements of the company - or any of the companies he's "leading". He's just taking the credit for it, because people let him.
The amazing engineers and scientists working for SpaceX did all the work.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
They have to wear wrestling singlets and headgear though.
MarV0
Gold Member
Why did you have to pussy out at the very end? There is nothing more serious or satisfying than being good at video games.
XXL
Member
This is a dumb argument, he owns the fucking company and hired the engineers that made it happen....if that's your perspective.
Same with Tesla, Starlink, Neurolink and the Tesla Bots. Not giving him any credit for all of those is straight up delusional.
He even bought Twitter (thank god) and that aided in getting Trump elected.
Step into fucking reality.
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mrqs
Member
It's simple: Catching a rocket might not be that hard. Making EV vehicles might not be that hard.
What Elon had was some good intuition about where to aim his business, and he's most likely an extremely good liar and can make people believe his vision. As we knew for a while with empty promises for a decade, securing more and more money.
What I'm saying is: Maybe any well-financed company with 15 years+ to improve would catch a rocket. Maybe any company focused on EVs and with plenty of money would be able to make a Model 3.
If you take out of the explanation that "Elon is insanely smart", as he isn't, and he's a straight-up liar, what do we have left? What's the most likely special thing about him?
Maybe he's just a massive liar with a good taste.
A few weeks ago I'd totally say that he's an ass but extremely competent. All of this really changed drastically how I think about him. It's way more likely that he's just a massive deceiver and a liar.
It’s hard.
XXL
Member
It's ridiculously hard. Some of these takes are laughable and hard to take seriously.
Zacfoldor
Member
XXL
Member
I assume you're talking about FSD.
He over promises timelines. That's it.
I primarily use FSD for driving for the last year and a half. I'm not even required to touch the steering wheel anymore. I Summon my vehicle to me constantly.
Stop talking about things you don't know anything about.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Is it that hard to believe that he might be a genius and a visionary…. and also a dishonest asshole? He’s a complex person. I don’t get this need to put everyone into either the “hero” bucket or the “villain” bucket. Heck, some of the things that make him unlikeable might be things that also contributed to his success.
Elons work was always find the right person who knows what he/she does. Elon is not an expert in any of the things "he" made big. He is an expert in finding people making his vision come true and getting the money for it.
That is a really good thing he can, but gaming and so on, he doesn't know anything about it or at least he is not an expert in those things. I really don't know why this man thinks he is and must be an expert in everything. Well he is an expert in talking bullshit and crying like a baby if anybody sees that he isn't an expert in the things he pretends to know.
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The artful mincer
Member
It's obviously worse when a Government does it.Censorship is censorship, whether it's government or private.
Where were these articles from Forbes when they were complying 100% prior to him buying it?
Unless private companies reach monopoly size they have a right to censor content on their own platform.
I don't care what Forbes did before are the facts true in the article or not?
a'la mode
Neo Member
I can understand the appeal of reverting back to simpleminded heuristics and gross simplifications such as these when things like corporate structure and governance get complicated - actual reality can, after all, be complicated and sometimes even a little scary - but companies the size of these do not have CEOs go around LinkedIn handpicking and hiring people.
They have HR departments (who in turn contract headhunters and such) for that reason.
XXL
Member
Because people that work at a fucking Target think they would do a better job running a massive company.
It's jealousy with a dash of delusion to make them feel better about themselves.
XXL
Member
I know how companies operate. I own one.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
first
Kacho
Gold Member
cant tell if serious
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XXL
Member
I believe in you.
Portugeezer
Member
Billionaire small dick energy vs Millionaire.
What a time to be alive.
What a time to be alive.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Elon simply acquired Paypal, Tesla, and SpaceX. Giving him credit for catching a rocket and making EVs is like giving Bobby Kotick credit for making Call of Duty, or Satya Nadella credit for making Indiana Jones or Hellblade. Come on now.
Astro Bot won GOTY this year. Should I go and blow Herman Hulst as a thank you?
These guys are businessmen. Satya has taken MS to a $3 trillion valuation. Tim Cook as well. These guys are no Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Just excellent businessmen. Just like Elon.
Astro Bot won GOTY this year. Should I go and blow Herman Hulst as a thank you?
These guys are businessmen. Satya has taken MS to a $3 trillion valuation. Tim Cook as well. These guys are no Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Just excellent businessmen. Just like Elon.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Oh, Elon.
You're acting like a total assclown right now.
He always was, but you thought he was one of yours.
XXL
Member
EviLore
started Neogaf, but I'm sure he has had plenty of help along the way to growing and maintaining it and has made mistakes. But it was his idea and nothing will ever change that.
Do you not give him any credit for doing what you didn't or couldn't?
If all of these things are so fucking simple, go ahead to do them yourself instead of downplaying other people's accomplishments.
But you won't. You know why? Because it way fucking easier to downplay other men's successes than it is to achieve it yourself.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Speak for yourself. I think there are a million more admirable qualities in life. Such as contributing to your community, raising a good family, etc.
I love video games, but I’m not going to dedicate my life to becoming the best gamer ever. And I’m certainly not going to flex if I am. How is that not pathetic?
Paul Morphy was the world’s greatest chess player. He said the following:
“The ability to play chess is the sign of a gentleman. The ability to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life.”
I don’t judge anyone, but there are far better things for one to aspire in life than being a master gamer.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Wrong kind of rocket, pal
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
But it was his idea and nothing will ever change that.
Do you not give him any credit for doing what you didn't or couldn't?
If all of these things are so fucking simple, go ahead to do them yourself instead of downplaying other people's accomplishments.
But you won't. You know why? Because it way fucking easier to downplay other men's successes than it is to achieve it yourself.
This is total nonsense and I think you’re just sucking up to the owner here.
Everything you see in the world is the sum of many people around you and even more who came before. Neogaf would be nothing without its many users. Whenever you make a post you are directly contributing to making it either better or worse.
Saying that is not disrespectful, downplaying others successes, or anything of the sort. It’s just reality.
At the same time, let’s not compare Neogaf to SpaceX, and let’s not compare Musk to Tesla, because each one is out of the other’s league and it’s not even close.
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
As if “just” being a great businessman and a “big picture” visionary is somehow a lesser thing than being a great engineer.
There are millions of insanely smart and talented engineers out there. How many of them could’ve bought an electric car company, kept it alive for years on the brink of bankruptcy, then turn it into the world’s most valuable car company?
Wildebeest
Member
So I'm guessing the reason for this is that they were trying to get Asmon to stream exclusively on Twitter, and the number he gave them for the deal was so high that it pissed off Elon.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Many of them if they had the resources. Not everyone starts off from equal footing.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I don’t think of him as “one of anything” pertaining to myself.
But carry on with your projection.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Absolute bullshit. Most engineers are engineers because that’s what they enjoy doing and that’s their proclivity. They’re not wannabe tech entrepreneurs who just weren’t “privileged” enough to pursue that line of work.
HRK69
Member
His name is Hermen
Exactly. It’s one of the most groundbreaking companies of the 21st century and will influence human development and prosperity for decades to come. On the other hand, SpaceX is pretty cool too.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Jsisto
Member
This feels weird to say, but Elon picking a fight with Asmongold is not smart. Theres no way this makes him look good. His influence is perhaps understated but very large. Frankly, whether Elon is paying people to play games for him or putting in the time himself, it's sad either way. The man owns six hugely influential companies and will probably be making decisions that affect all our lives. I don't want you to be one of the top diablo players. What a sad state of affairs.
Hari Seldon
Member
Fuck that loser for having a name that doesn’t pass spell check. Herman it is.
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Donald mac Ronald
Member
Fuck Elon and his tweets.We could have bad streaming and a ring side girl that helps excuse the hiccups
Who's this?
Kacho
Gold Member
Sydney Thomas
Jsisto
Member
This is the thing that frustrates me the most about any conversation around Elon. This perception that he's an engineering genius and is directly responsible for the work being done by his companies. Sure, he knows enough about the science that he can talk about it on a podcast, but thats it. I'll give you that hes probably a genious of some sort, atleast as far as business....but he hires people that are smarter than him to create new technologies. Hes not personally figuring out how to make electric cars and launching rockets. That notion is an absolute joke and I blame people like Rogan for spreading that narrative.
Rat Rage
Member
Elon Musk is the richest idiot / wanna-be oligarch in the world, displaying absolutely pathetic, childlike behaviour.
That in itself would be ok. However... He's clearly not driven by any "noble" motivations, but rather petty, childlike, irrational feelings.
On top of that, he's doing despicable acts like supporting racists and such.
The beauty of all of it is that no one is forcing him to expose himself like that. He's doing it all by himself, progressively revealing what a
deep-down, despicable huge asshole he is.
People like him should never be able to exert any power on the world, like he's trying to do. Him buying the number one propaganda medium - twitter - just to have the chance at controlling options has been a major red flag already.
Anyway, I'm totally gonna boycott Elon Musk and any of his companies. This guy is not gonna get anything from me. I hope other's do the same.
That in itself would be ok. However... He's clearly not driven by any "noble" motivations, but rather petty, childlike, irrational feelings.
On top of that, he's doing despicable acts like supporting racists and such.
The beauty of all of it is that no one is forcing him to expose himself like that. He's doing it all by himself, progressively revealing what a
deep-down, despicable huge asshole he is.
People like him should never be able to exert any power on the world, like he's trying to do. Him buying the number one propaganda medium - twitter - just to have the chance at controlling options has been a major red flag already.
Anyway, I'm totally gonna boycott Elon Musk and any of his companies. This guy is not gonna get anything from me. I hope other's do the same.
Mozzarella
Member
Its strange, sometimes i do enjoy reading what these two say, but i don't really care about any of this. lol