64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
even if they didnt beat the PS2 in sales they undoubtedly made more money getting thise close at the same price PLUS online subs and more expensive games.
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Walter Matthau
Member
I suspect they're going to continue to sell what they have at full price and then turn production completely over to Switch 2 before its launch. If Switch 2 is backwards compatible, it's all they'll want to sell once it's out.
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
PS2 sales = 155M. There are no estimates involved in this -- that's the official figure. (Throwaway up-estimate comments by senior execs decades later not relevant. Edit: This is incorrect, it looks like it's over 160M!)
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Puscifer
Member
I voted but I think it might depending on if they do a decent sale. The fact switch keeps selling out at stores is pretty wild to me
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
No it is not
"But Noooo, Switch is a handheld! It doesn't count 
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These arbitrary restrictions on which sales number should be fair to count will never not be strange to me. By that logic, we should disqualify a good chunk of PS2's sales since many people bought it as a DVD player. It was highly competitive - a better price than standalone DVD players. For you youngins, this was pre-streaming era. DVD was the THING to get after VHS. And let's not forget PS2 had multiple price drops, reaching as low as $99.
In my personal, arbitrary goal posts, only sales at $199 mark and above count. Sorry, PS2, but it looks like you've already been lapped by Switch twice over
honk honk
"These arbitrary restrictions on which sales number should be fair to count will never not be strange to me. By that logic, we should disqualify a good chunk of PS2's sales since many people bought it as a DVD player. It was highly competitive - a better price than standalone DVD players. For you youngins, this was pre-streaming era. DVD was the THING to get after VHS. And let's not forget PS2 had multiple price drops, reaching as low as $99.
In my personal, arbitrary goal posts, only sales at $199 mark and above count. Sorry, PS2, but it looks like you've already been lapped by Switch twice over
honk honk
Woopah
Member
That's the office figure as of March 2012, but we know it sold millions more after that point.
That's the way console sales have always been calculated, with all SKUs included.
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
How do we know it sold millions more?
Woopah
Member
Zhuge did all the maths below.
But in simple terms, Sony sold 16.5m PS2s and PS3s between April 2012 and March 2013.
And based on the other official numbers reported by Sony, the maximum number PS3 could have done in that time is 13.9 million.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
It's a balance of supply & demand, but the price is certainly a barrier for many people that don't own one. It Switch was $150 for example, it would certainly increase sales. There's always that audience of late adopters that don't buy in until something is cheaper and the library is huge and aren't concerned with waiting for the big games that came out 3, 5, 7 years ago.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Either they know more than the records from 10 years ago, or they were rounding up. Either way, when you're talking about that many units sold of something, 5 million either way really doesn't matter.
BlackTron
Member
Yeah I know, but for that reason it won't be quite the same accomplishment to match PS2 sales.
Ok, ok, I hope for your sake it will, as it seems some meaningless numbers mean very much for you.
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Woopah
Member
I think the total number is all that matters. Both platforms had factors that helped their sales.
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
Ok, agree, thanks.
BlackTron
Member
I think it would be harder for Switch to reach PS2's sales because they won't be able to reduce its price as much after its successor comes out.
But if we can just add in all the Switch Lite sales then trying to analyze any other factors just flies out the window.
Woopah
Member
Hence why I don't see it worth analysing. We just see which one sells more.
Sw0pDiller
Banned
Still, for a console wich is often sold more than once per household.
AngelMuffin
Member
It’s never had an official price cut (which is nuts), so yeah as soon as that happens it will eventually take the top spot.
LavitzSlambert
Member
People are forgetting discounting and smaller countries markets. One more holiday season and the remnants of units over the next few years to markets that won't have Switch 2 (or it will be too expensive) will keep it going. 14 million more for FY24 to catch PS2, that is certainly possible even before the Switch 2 release. It's almost guaranteed afterward. I don't think Switch will have a long tail though, considering Nintendo is focused on moving their userbase to the next console.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
If these are the best estimates for PS2 lifetime sales, Switch will beat both of them. In fact, based on Nintendo's current projections (which are almost always pessimistic), it's practically impossible for the Switch not to beat PS2. It would have to be discontinued immediately after the successor releases for this to happen. You can quote me.
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Sleepwalker
Member
I think it will but it will be close. Ultimately doesn't really matter.
Sony made more with the PS4 than the PS2, the switch made more than the PS2 as well.
Sony made more with the PS4 than the PS2, the switch made more than the PS2 as well.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
It's already at 140+. Do you expect it to stop selling tomorrow?
KungFucius
King Snowflake
What the fuck is this nonsense? Are you going to feel bad or something? FFS consoles sold better in the past so someone could cry and say scale it to total console market. The PS2 was a DVD player when they were a thing and semi expensive. How are you going to account for that in your It's not fair to compare BS?
JimboJones
Member
I could see them keeping the Switch 1 lite around as a low price option for a while.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I can't prove it to you, and I don't have the time to argue about it. But I strongly believe it is actually the opposite.
For PS1 and most of PS2's gen, Sony was doing something called production shipments, or manufacturing shipments. Which was different from what Nintendo and Microsoft did. It basically means they have a unit produced.
Around the second half of the generation Sony switched to "normal" shipments. While the PS2 was still selling like hot cakes. These systems were counted as produced one year, which was already very inflated. And once they were shipped to actual retail the sales were counted again.
You can believe whatever you want. I personally don't believe the number is conservative. And lets leave it at that.
cartman414
Member
If Switch 2 is going to be around $400, they'd be silly not to keep the 1 around for awhile and drop the price as a budget option.
IIRC the DS(i) was jettisoned soon after the 3DS had its first price drop, cutting the latter down to $170. There will be a much bigger price gap between 1 and 2 when the latter drops.
IIRC the DS(i) was jettisoned soon after the 3DS had its first price drop, cutting the latter down to $170. There will be a much bigger price gap between 1 and 2 when the latter drops.
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
Ok, so this is what we call a false premise.
Switch Lite is a Switch console, so anything that is a Switch console within the Switch family of devices, is a Switch. A Switch is a Switch is a Switch. Making up arbitrary rules doesn't change the data. Minor functional or cosmetic differences, and a different MSRP than the OG model doesn't stop any of those models from being considered a legitimate sale. Nice try, tho!
Your argument is weak from another angle as well, because even if you wanted to peel the Lite out of the total for some odd reason that doesn't make sense, it's by far the lowest-selling version of the Switch. So doing what you are trying to do doesn't help you very much, if your goal is to somehow argue that Switch sales are lower than they actually are.
A hypothetical PS2 Micro, for example, wouldn't have been excluded from PS2 sales, if it played PS2 games.
Alright, class is over. Go play outside!
While I agree that it's fine that Switch Lite totals are included with Switch totals, I disagree with your rebuttal. If Sony had named the PlayStation PSP a PlayStation 2 Portable (or PlayStation 2 Lite), would we have counted that towards PlayStation 2 sales? To me, it isn't about the naming convention, but rather the intent to be within the same family. The Xbox Series S and X are in the same product line regardless of whether they named one Xbox Lite and the other Xbox Series X. They were intended to be compatible devices.
The PlayStation Portable and PlayStation Vita can play PlayStation 1 games. That doesn't mean we count them towards the OG PlayStation's total sales. That isn't because the naming convention labeled it differently. It was because the intent for the device was not to be a part of the OG PlayStation line.
As an aside, the Nintendo Switch Lite is still called a "Switch", but it can't do the thing that it's named after... switch. That is the one thing that makes me think there's an argument that it doesn't belong. Although it still does function within that same Switch lineup, which is why I would not argue that.
Again, I'm not disagreeing that the Switch Lite should be included in the totals. I'm just saying that it's worth considering when something should be seen as a different device regardless of what a company calls it or says about it.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
After that recent State of Play I hope they outsell the PS2 3 times over
Woopah
Member
Nintendo saw the Colour as a GB revision, but we already know they see the Switch 2 as a successor.
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
PS2 sold 160 million and the switch is going to outsell it.
Nintendo can always cut price to move more units so it's not a matter of "if".
Overall the switch has been more successful due to the significantly higher profits it has generated compared to the PS2.
Nintendo can always cut price to move more units so it's not a matter of "if".
Overall the switch has been more successful due to the significantly higher profits it has generated compared to the PS2.
Trunx81
Gold Member
That’s what worries me a bit .. Let’s see if they break the current sickle of bad/good/bad/good
And on a serious note:
Give people a price update, sell it for 99 if you want, and it will top 170 easily.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Why? PS2 had multiple SKUs, multiple models. And a lot of people did buy one primarily as an inexpensive DVD/multimedia player. DVD players were prohibitively expensive back in 2000.
Switch just plays videogames.
. The argument that somehow you could carve out Switch Lite sales just doesn't hold water, any way you slice it. Not to mention, Switch Lite sells for more than what the PS2 did the majority of it’s lifecycle.
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BlackTron
Member
Why? PS2 had multiple SKUs, multiple models. And a lot of people did buy one primarily as an inexpensive DVD/multimedia player. DVD players were prohibitively expensive back in 2000.
Switch just plays videogames.
PS2 had multiple models but at least they were all home game consoles.
To put it another way. Using your logic, if Sega had somehow magically sold 50 million Nomad units. Then we would need to count Nomad sales in with Genesis sales when comparing it to Super Nintendo. Making SNES look worse. If anyone raises their hand and says "what about comparing portable units to other portable as their own category", some wise guy cuts him off with "only the final number matters!!!!"
Sure PS2 was helped by DVD but Switch was also helped by doubling as a portable device. I'm not docking either system for this, if anything that kinda "balances out". But Switch Lite? No excuse to be there. Compare it to Vita maybe.
Edit: This is actually a poor example, because Nomad actually functions as a game console (TV out). A better example would be if Game Boy just played NES games instead of its own unique library and got as many sales as it did, lacking TV out and all. Would we still compare it to Game Gear for sales, or just lump the sales in with NES when discussing consoles?
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It won't outsell PS2. PS2 was a near monopoly in its own generation, and became the beneficiary of a weak PS3/360 launch and the Wii that third parties gave spotty support to.
Sony also seems to find more PS2 sales. When Switch hits 150, Sony will claim PS2 sold 170.
Sony also seems to find more PS2 sales. When Switch hits 150, Sony will claim PS2 sold 170.
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Robb
Gold Member
Depends on how you look at it. If they hit their estimate for March 2025 they’ll be at 154M units sold. Then “Switch 2” might release, but even then there’s likely to be 5-10M more units sold of the original Switch (iirc 3DS still sold around 10M after the Switch had been released).
I personally think beating the officially reported/Wikipedia number (155M) is a given at this point. Which is what most people seems to use when they look at this stuff. So it’ll be #1 in the Wiki list of best selling systems by this time next year I think.
And then nerds like us will be able to comment “well, actually Ps2 sold 160M” every time someone brings it up.