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Square Enix being lazy.

:lol Wow! It certainly is very noticeable around Gridana.

Yes other games do resuse art work. It's usually in towns or maybe even dungeons (entrances) or small caves where you see this. The surface worlds usually aren't what has been done in FFXIV.

One would think a ton of the time that went into FFXIV would have been the graphics. However if they copied and pasted a lot of it really does beg the following question when one takes everything into consideration. What the hell was all the time spent on during development?

 

[Orin GA]

Watch the entire FFXIV impressions video, it is highlarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei0GxMOBztA

 

[JWong]

Show me a game that doesn't have copy and paste terrain. You can't.

"the best way to get things fixed"

If that man believes SE is going to rework the map because people are ignorant to the fact that most games have copy and paste terrain he will be waiting forever on that one.

The only thing that Blizzard copies and pastes in WoW are cave dungeon prefabs for its non-instanced areas, but every landmark and quest based location is completely unique. I never ran into a zone or area that is a cut and paste of another place.

That's what Gametrailers is talking about. The corridor and block area design of the world are just snapped together like that. No landmarks or anything to indicate a change in the environment.

 

[Moobabe]

Thats the thing, I didn't play WoW. But any game, I mean any game has copy and paste. Look at Super Mario Brothers, Twilight Zelda, Radiata Stories, Monster Hunter Tri.

I've seen screens of WoW though. The textures are copying and pasted to hell and back but whatever lets turn a blind eye because its WoW.

Look - don't try and disguise an agenda or anything. Your concern is copied TEXTURES in wow videos you've seen? But you have no problem with massive, empty zones that are almost identical from one side to the other? With the EXACT same camp copied and pasted across the entire game world? You accuse people of turning a "blind eye" to wow but you accept this? That just reeks of hypocrisy.

 

[markot]

Wow has caves that are copied, but not the over world terrain >.<

And it has alllloooootttt more of that then most other games.... I mean, maybe I cant think of it, but I am pretty sure all the terrain in wow is zone specific and beyond that, I cant think of any 'deja vu' experiences or areas where I think 'seen that a thousand times before!'

And textures and models are always copied, this is terrain and layout and the actual world though....

 

[LaneDS]

Thats the thing, I didn't play WoW. But any game, I mean any game has copy and paste. Look at Super Mario Brothers, Twilight Zelda, Radiata Stories, Monster Hunter Tri.

I've seen screens of WoW though. The textures are copying and pasted to hell and back but whatever lets turn a blind eye because its WoW.

As someone who has played both titles, there is no contest. You shouldn't knock it without trying it. It's an unfair comparison to make. The zones in WoW are far, far more varied and interesting (and mostly hand-crafted to be that way) than XIV. There is no purpose to almost all of the landmass in XIV currently, which is ridiculously boring and lazy.

 

[-tetsuo-]

I have gotten past the initial denial and defense stage. The game, in it's current state, is not good.

 

[Londa]

:lol Wow! It certainly is very noticeable around Gridana.

Yes other games do resuse art work. It's usually in towns or maybe even dungeons or small caves where you use this. The surface worlds usually aren't what has been done in FFXIV.

very much not true. How many times have I played a game where one tree was used for the whole world map? How many times have I seen one weed be the only type of weed ever found (zelda 64)? How many times have I seen in a game that there are only 5 types of towns people? How many times have I seen the same dirt road over and over again? All the time.

 

[Orin GA]

Well, maybe this is why Londa defends the game so much. Maybe this is her first MMO and she doesnt know any better :lol

 

[LaneDS]

very much not true. How many times have I played a game where one tree was used for the whole world map? How many times have I seen one weed be the only type of weed ever found (zelda 64)? How many times have I seen in a game that there are only 5 types of towns people? How many times have I seen the same dirt road over and over again? All the time.

Re-using textures is not even close to the same as re-using entire chunks of geometry to create your game world.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

very much not true. How many times have I played a game where one tree was used for the whole world map? How many times have I seen one weed be the only type of weed ever found (zelda 64)? How many times have I seen in a game that there are only 5 types of towns people? How many times have I seen the same dirt road over and over again? All the time.

Are you mad that other people don't like FFXIV as much as you think you do?

 

[Pinko Marx]

Watch the entire FFXIV impressions video, it is highlarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei0GxMOBztA

I can't watch this video. Wtf is that on his chin? Whatever it is it makes me angry.

 

[Londa]

Look - don't try and disguise an agenda or anything. Your concern is copied TEXTURES in wow videos you've seen? But you have no problem with massive, empty zones that are almost identical from one side to the other? With the EXACT same camp copied and pasted across the entire game world? You accuse people of turning a "blind eye" to wow but you accept this? That just reeks of hypocrisy.

In the same WoW screen it was a very empty area and looks very plain and boring. so you fail.

First of all, I never said I wouldn't play WoW because they copy textures. I won't play WoW because its a shitty game with a shitty story and shitty graphics. That is why I won't play WoW.

Well, maybe this is why Londa defends the game so much. Maybe this is her first MMO and she doesnt know any better

played FFXI for years and quit. Play other online mulitplayer games too.

But even if I hadn't, I shouldn't post on forums because I didn't play X amount of MMO's that you deemed acceptable? Your opinion doesn't matter to me, so I'll do whatever I please.

 

[Khrno]

How many zones did wow have at launch? Because this only has 5 and if the terrain in each zone is, as the video demonstrates, copy/pasted then surely that's pretty lazy?

There are 5 ground level areas, 3 underground areas, 3 cities. Each of the areas are of the size of a FFXI region, no idea and don't really care about the size of a WoW area.

There is lots of space and quite a few interesting places for potential quests, missions and instances, the problem is not the copy/paste on the terrain, but the little use that all these huge spaces have at the moment, which certainly is the lesser of my worries, since a good amount of content will be added on a bimonthly/trimonthly basis.

Talking about content, Tanaka said in an interview a couple of weeks ago that they will have an event where they will show their update/content schedule that goes way over a year. We should be hearing more about this sometime soon (could be weeks tho).

 

[Moobabe]

Are you mad that other people don't like FFXIV as much as you think you do?

Regardless of whether that's true or not it's probably OT and a little harsh. It's worrying that she thinks this problem seems to be widespread though :S

 

[Ferrio]

First of all, I never said I wouldn't play WoW because they copy textures. I won't play WoW because its a shitty game with a shitty story and shitty graphics. That is why I won't play WoW.

How can you claim something about a game you haven't played? You're like a small child.

 

[Chris R]

WoW does have a shitload of Copy/Paste though. I mean just look at any of the caves/mining operations in the game. Tons of copying there. Granted the overworld is very varied, and Cata will make the old world a lot better, but to say there is no copy/paste in WoW is just dumb.

 

[Zomba13]

In fairness, I never noticed the copy paste terrain for Ul'dah or Limsa until that video. Still, it's lazy. You can mention the caves in WoW, but the WoW zones are all very much full of character and pretty varied. And there's stuff going on in different sections of any given zone, something XIV does not have going on whatsoever. This was true, by the way, even of vanilla WoW at launch... the newer zones are like theme parks in terms of the amount of stuff going on in them. Whether you like or dislike that is of course personal preference, but I'd say they trounce the vast repetitive and boring landscapes of XIV pretty easily.

That's true about WoW. Mostly brought the caves up to show that even the big MMO overlord does the C+P.

With FFXIV's areas though I think people need to take into account the size of them. The Zones in FFXIV are about the size of FFXI regions (which consisted of about 3 to 4 zones). Also FFXIV's zones contain dungeons and stuff (seems to be about 2 per zone).

But yeah, even if you split FFXIVs Zones into smaller zones (as they would be in XI) there would still be 3 or so forest zones that looked the same, 3 or so desert etc.
It's dissapointing but there will most likely be new zones and stuff added in content and version updates. I mean the map of Eorzea has loads of places that would be areas.

I still think there should be more variety. Like maybe chop out a bit of each zone to add more varied zones. I don't mind too much though because the zones we have are beautiful and my current windows 7 theme consists of a huge amount of FFXIV ingame screenshots I've taken of amazing views and areas.

I will be pissed though if the base game only has these 5 zones/regions and their dungeons and we have to buy the expansions to get more regions.

 

[-tetsuo-]

First of all, I never said I wouldn't play WoW because they copy textures. I won't play WoW because its a shitty game with a shitty story and shitty graphics. That is why I won't play WoW.

I thought you had never played WoW before? I am no WoW head, but ummmmm it is a LOT better than FFXIV.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

The difference between the copy/paste in FFXIV and WoW is that in WoW it doesn't take a decade to cross the landscape so you don't have enough time to get bothered by it like you do in XIV.

 

[Zozobra]

very much not true. How many times have I played a game where one tree was used for the whole world map? How many times have I seen one weed be the only type of weed ever found (zelda 64)? How many times have I seen in a game that there are only 5 types of towns people? How many times have I seen the same dirt road over and over again? All the time.

The issue is not reusing the same rock, tree, bush, whatever, but that they're repeating whole sections of land and slapping a new skin on them.

 

[Moobabe]

There are 5 ground level areas, 3 underground areas, 3 cities. Each of the areas are of the size of a FFXI region, no idea and don't really care about the size of a WoW area.

There is lots of space and quite a few interesting places for potential quests, missions and instances, the problem is not the copy/paste on the terrain, but the little use that all these huge spaces have at the moment, which certainly is the lesser of my worries, since a good amount of content will be added on a bimonthly/trimonthly basis.

You might not care but that was a comparison Londa was drawing. I share your concern though - though I'm sure the content will be fixed over time. It doesn't change that, while good looking, the areas are pretty bland. I can run from one side of a zone to the other and see almost identical terrain. I would prefer smaller zones but more of them.

In the same WoW screen it was a very empty area and looks very plain and boring. so you fail.

First of all, I never said I wouldn't play WoW because they copy textures. I won't play WoW because its a shitty game with a shitty story and shitty graphics. That is why I won't play WoW.

I fail? That's a new one. What wow screen? What area was it? A few areas are boring but, unlike ff14, there are more than 4 other zones to look around.

And... to point out the obvious - you've not played it but you're sure it is a shitty game? And the graphics are FAR from shitty. The story though? You're right

 

[JWong]

WoW does have a shitload of Copy/Paste though. I mean just look at any of the caves/mining operations in the game. Tons of copying there. Granted the overworld is very varied, and Cata will make the old world a lot better, but to say there is no copy/paste in WoW is just dumb.

I don't know how the caves constitute as "shitload" percentage of WoW's world, but they definitely have a dozen different prefabs of those caves. You never visit the same kind of cave for several levels.

 

[Pinko Marx]

No...WoW graphics are bad. They're really bad. I'll agree with Londa on this one.

 

[Londa]

How can you claim something about a game you haven't played? You're like a small child.

If researching and watching videos on a game and deciding it is shit from all of my research is being a small child, then you know very smart children.

 

[CoLaN]

I noticed the total lack of points of interests outside the main cities too, during the beta.

What the hell? This is embarassing. What have you done Square Enix?

 

[DaBuddaDa]

I can't watch this video. Wtf is that on his chin? Whatever it is it makes me angry.

Hahahaha, while loading the video I was trying to imagine what could be so bad, but boy is that bad. It's completely lopsided and a strange color compared to his real hair. Wow.

 

[Moobabe]

No...WoW graphics are bad. They're really bad. I'll agree with Londa on this one.

Luckily it's art direction is fantastic. And it runs on more computers - I'm sure no small factor in the 12 million subscribers it has.

 

[Ferrio]

If researching and watching videos on a game and deciding it is shit from all of my research is being a small child, then you know very smart children.

Ah you're right then. Then you're in agreement people watching the FFXIV videos can determine it's complete shit too without playing it, right?

 

[Gravijah]

First of all, I never said I wouldn't play WoW because they copy textures. I won't play WoW because its a shitty game with a shitty story and shitty graphics. That is why I won't play WoW.

I hope you don't get mad at others for drawing opinions on FFXIV when they haven't played it, either.

If researching and watching videos on a game and deciding it is shit from all of my research is being a small child, then you know very smart children.

There's actually a free trial, but I figure your view is set in stone.

 

[JudgeN]

If I had to rate the game I would give it a 4/10 too, the copy paste doesn't really bother me to much. But what really gets me our the missions, they seems so very boring compared to the rank 1-10 of Sandy/Windhurst/Bastok of FFXI.

Hell if I remember correctly the first Sandy mission had me going into Ghelsba Outpost and fighting 3 boss orcs in a hut. My first mission in Gridinia was running around talking to NPC and doing a very very easy escort quest. I really wish I hadn't already bought 6 months of crysta but I'm give SE that much time to get their act together.

Looking back on it, fuck I wish I could go back to 2003 and play FFXI at launch again. Even though exp grinding sucked ass in FFXI.

 

[Bisonian]

The only thing that Blizzard copies and pastes in WoW are cave dungeon prefabs for its non-instanced areas, but every landmark and quest based location is completely unique. I never ran into a zone or area that is a cut and paste of another place.

I think it's really unfair that you assume every landmark and quest based location in FFXIV isn't unique. Someday, Square-Enix will add in landmarks and potentially some quest based locations as well, and when they do it's very likely that they will be unique.

Smells like a bias here, buddy.

 

[Anth0ny]

4/10? Holy shit :lol

 

[Pinko Marx]

Luckily it's art direction is fantastic. And it runs on more computers - I'm sure no small factor in the 12 million subscribers it has.

If you like medieval power ranger armor, I guess you could say its art direction is fantastic. I've seen screenshots of some kinda cool lookin areas, I spose. But we're not talking about that or how well it runs on PCs or its high subscriber base, so I don't even know why you brought it up.

 

[LaneDS]

4/10? Holy shit :lol

It's generous.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Score seems about right based on my beta experience.

I think there will be a some people who will love the game. I found the story interesting, but the interface is bad and the lack of any direction in the game is frustrating for new players.

Also, solo battles are not fun at least. Maybe groups make it more interesting.

Graphics are beautiful.

The Leve system is awful.

 

[Foffy]

So...is this the new black sheep of the franchise now? Has FF II been usurped?

 

[-tetsuo-]

If I had to rate the game I would give it a 4/10 too, the copy paste doesn't really bother me to much. But what really gets me our the missions, they seems so very boring compared to the rank 1-10 of Sandy/Windhurst/Bastok of FFXI.

Hell if I remember correctly the first Sandy mission had me going into Ghelsba Outpost and fighting 3 boss orcs in a hut. My first mission in Gridinia was running around talking to NPC and doing a very very easy escort quest. I really wish I hadn't already bought 6 months of crysta but I'm give SE that much time to get their act together.

Look back on it, fuck I wish I could go back to 2003 and play FFXI at launch again. Even though exp grinding sucked ass in FFXI.

XI was so much better at (American) launch than XIV that it isn't even funny.

 

[Moobabe]

If you like medieval power ranger armor, I guess you could say its art direction is fantastic. I've seen screenshots of some kinda cool lookin areas, I spose. But we're not talking about that or how well it runs on PCs or its high subscriber base.

I appreciate that - it was OT. I guess the armour design is personal preference but I think some of the zone design is amazing.

 

[Zomba13]

If I had to rate the game I would give it a 4/10 too, the copy paste doesn't really bother me to much. But what really gets me our the missions, they seems so very boring compared to the rank 1-10 of Sandy/Windhurst/Bastok of FFXI.

Hell if I remember correctly the first Sandy mission had me going into Ghelsba Outpost and fighting 3 boss orcs in a hut. My first mission in Gridinia was running around talking to NPC and doing a very very easy escort quest. I really wish I hadn't already bought 6 months of crysta but I'm give SE that much time to get their act together.

Looking back on it, fuck I wish I could go back to 2003 and play FFXI at launch again. Even though exp grinding sucked ass in FFXI.

Yeah, the missions are pretty slow. At rank 15 the Gridania mission had me fight an elemental boss fight with an NPC party. That was cool. Wish more of the story was like that. Rank 15 seems to be when stuff gets good though as there were many an awesome CS and moment in Rank 15.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Game needs 12 more months of development before they should have released it
At the very least should have pushed PC release back to PS3 release. I think all the damning impressions are really gonna affect interest until the PS3 version hits, when people will take another look to see if it's been improved.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

MMO rule of thumb, the more the fanboys rabidly defend the game, the bigger pile of dogshit it is.


GT absolutely annihilated this game. nothing left but ashes and dust, scattered to the four winds.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

Anecdote ahoy:

I just talked to a friend who got this on launch day. He is pretty impartial, not a GAFer, doesn't really read a lot of video game news/reviews, and his only other MMORPG experience as far as I know is FFXI and Guild Wars.

I asked him what score (out of 10) he'd give XIV and he said: "It's not very fun, I only play it for about a half hour a day before I get bored and play something else. I'd give it...*long pause* a 5/10, maybe 6/10."

 

[Zomba13]

MMO rule of thumb, the more the fanboys rabidly defend the game, the bigger pile of dogshit it is.

So FFXIV must be awesome then as it's just got Londa.

EDIT: I'd give it a 5 or 6 /10 too. It's pretty bad but there is potential and it does do some things right (I quite like the crafting for instance, even if some of the recipes are ass backwards)

 

[JudgeN]

XI was so much better at (American) launch than XIV that it isn't even funny.

It really was and pretty much nothing carried over from FFXI. Why the fuck are there not quivers in this game? I mean FFXI had them, but not FFXIV? What the fuck is up with that. Its sad I really wish this game was just FFXI in HD but its not, no were near.

 

[Door2Dawn]

I can't believe GT gave the presintaion of the game a 5.4, its the strongest aspect of the game..

 

[BlazingDarkness]

I got the CE the day it released, but stopped playing after 1 day - The game didn't explain anything at all so the experience was more frustrating for me than enjoyable
Waste of money really, but eh, at least I have it in my collection.

 

[Gravijah]

I can't believe GT gave the presintaion of the game a 5.4, its the strongest aspect of the game..

I take presentation to mean menus, interface, etc... Am I mistaken?

 

[JWong]

I think it's really unfair that you assume every landmark and quest based location in FFXIV isn't unique. Someday, Square-Enix will add in landmarks and potentially some quest based locations as well, and when they do it's very likely that they will be unique.

Smells like a bias here, buddy.

Uuuuh yeah. You admit they are not unique, so I'll remain correct until they scrap their entire existing world for a new one.

That's also not likely to happen as it is costly and an ineffective fix.

 

[LaneDS]

I can't believe GT gave the presintaion of the game a 5.4, its the strongest aspect of the game..

The other reasons they had for knocking presentation seem pretty valid though. They acknowledge the graphics are incredible, but as mentioned earlier in the thread that is not the entirety of their presentation score.

Uuuuh yeah. You admit they are not unique, so I'll remain correct until they scrap their entire existing world for a new one.

That's also not likely to happen as it is costly and an ineffective fix.

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.