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[bitbydeath]

They know their own map is still spherical right?

 

[finalflame]

I would imagine there are some GAFers in tow on this trip, certainly? Identify yourselves!

 

[sono]

I hope they dress warm.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

This one is beautiful too

Lord Jamar also thinks the USA is actually Egypt so....

 

[IDKFA]

Ah yes. Let’s blame modern medicine for this problem… and not that whole backwards religion thing that encourages gullibility and faith without evidence.

Religion isn't the problem here.

People in the middle ages were more pious, but they knew the world wasn't flat.

This is just ignorance, stupidity and/or grifiting the vulnerable.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I like that YT is putting notes on these videos that say flat earth is bogus.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Not sure why people like this is continuing to get media coverage and exposure.

There are far more important issues that need to be covered than these fucking idiots.

 

[HallsOfMidwich]

They should probably read this first. Save them a trip.

 

[Mistake]

I like that YT is putting notes on these videos that say flat earth is bogus.

That will only incentivize their behavior. Certainly didn't help during covid

 

[Halo is Back]

Oh boy. If that's their flat earth model, there are far simpler ways to test it than by travelling to Antarctica during the peak of winter.
What a bunch of clowns.

Here's one off the top of my head which can be done during any time of the year and much more cheaply:

Explain why distances between consecutive longitudes North of the equator are the same as they are South of the equator?

Here's another: How do you even get a lunar eclipse in this model?

Here's another: Why do the lengths of the day and night change over the year?

Or: Why are there seasons?

Or: What even is a year in your model?

And another: Why does the moon look upside down in the southern hemisphere relative to the northern hemisphere?
Same for the constellations.

And how do Mercury and Venus even fit into this picture?

I could go on all day. There are so many holes it's difficult to call this a "theory" with a straight face.

You can't apply logical reasoning with a cult of morons.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Grildon Tundy]

I love me a good conspiracy, but flat earth ain't it. Never seen a compelling argument for why skylines are cut off across bodies of water in a flat earth model.

 

[ManaByte]

I love me a good conspiracy, but flat earth ain't it. Never seen a compelling argument for why skylines are cut off across bodies of water in a flat earth model.

 

[Sakura]

Ah yes. Let’s blame modern medicine for this problem… and not that whole backwards religion thing that encourages gullibility and faith without evidence.

Why would religion be the problem? People have believed the Earth is a globe for thousands of years, and people were much more religious than they are now.

 

[BlackTron]

Ah, glad to see they're finally embracing the scientific method.

 

[SF Kosmo]

They know their own map is still spherical right?

Either that or the sun is a spotlight.

I want to know their explanation for how the equator is warmer than everywhere else. If the earth was a spinning disc wouldn't the outer rim be the hottest?

 

[kapshin]

Please iceberg…. Don’t let me down ..

The icebergs are flat too so it will be fine!

 

[TheInfamousKira]

This is a thinly veiled journey to find the great ice wall, isn't it?

 

[M.W.]

What a bunch of fucking retards.

 

[Toons]

This is pretty close to the first issue of the comic book "department of truth" only theres a pretty fascinating twist to how it plays out that I won't spoil

 

[Rentahamster]

Religion isn't the problem here.

People in the middle ages were more pious, but they knew the world wasn't flat.

This is just ignorance, stupidity and/or grifiting the vulnerable.

Why would religion be the problem? People have believed the Earth is a globe for thousands of years, and people were much more religious than they are now.

It's not religion in and of itself that's the issue. It's more complicated than that. It's the kind of mindset that is strongly associated with religion of believing something on faith rather than evidence. It's no coincidence that most of the flat earthers are religious and are grounding their belief in a flat earth on Biblical evidence. Once you can believe one thing without evidence, your brain is primed to do the same with other things. In this instance, the concept of a flat Earth are the shiny keys that provide that avenue into that particular brand of terminally online brain worms.

 

[MethodRed]

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I love me a good conspiracy, but flat earth ain't it. Never seen a compelling argument for why skylines are cut off across bodies of water in a flat earth model.

 

[cash_longfellow]

Watch these people be the only ones that survive the nuclear apocalypse I'm going to be so mad

How will you be mad… you will die….unless of course, you…are…one, of THEM!

 

[Shits_McGiggles]

You ever wonder if the flat-earther stuff is a Psy-Op? Like the word “conspiracy theory” is used so much by the media and government to label things that might be worth questioning, and then you have this flat-earth shit to sell the idea of “if you believe or find valid arguments in anything that is called a conspiracy theory, then you should be ignored and mocked.”

 

[PSYGN]

Tell the Yeti monster I said hi.

 

[Days like these...]

You ever wonder if the flat-earther stuff is a Psy-Op? Like the word “conspiracy theory” is used so much by the media and government to label things that might be worth questioning, and then you have this flat-earth shit to sell the idea of “if you believe or find valid arguments in anything that is called a conspiracy theory, then you should be ignored and mocked.”

You're...you're one of them aren't you?

 

[FunkMiller]

You ever wonder if the flat-earther stuff is a Psy-Op? Like the word “conspiracy theory” is used so much by the media and government to label things that might be worth questioning, and then you have this flat-earth shit to sell the idea of “if you believe or find valid arguments in anything that is called a conspiracy theory, then you should be ignored and mocked.”

That's because conspiracy theory believers should absolutely be ignored and mocked.

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

Lol as if Blackrock ain't a thing ; ) Bunch of donuts

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Instead they find Aliens

 

[kurisu_1974]

Why would religion be the problem? People have believed the Earth is a globe for thousands of years, and people were much more religious than they are now.

Why the correlation then?

Most flat earthers consider themselves very religious | YouGov

Just 66% of millennials firmly believe that the earth is round

today.yougov.com

Because religious people are ore susceptible to "beliefs" as opposed to knowledge maybe.

 

[ÆMNE22A!C]

Instead they find Aliens

 they don't have a clue what they're looking for as far as I'm concerned.

Also; Aliens > E-T: Extra Terrestrial IE: Extra Terra /tĕr′ə/

should watch this titanic trainwreck for schadenfreude purposes.

 

[March Climber]

Absolutely... You'll be mad whilst waiting to be clocked in at THE GATES OF HELL!!!

 

[sono]

someone must be making money off of it but I don't see why.

youtube views pays

 

[Neolombax]

Aren't they afraid of falling off at the end?

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

 

[IDKFA]

It's not religion in and of itself that's the issue. It's more complicated than that. It's the kind of mindset that is strongly associated with religion of believing something on faith rather than evidence. It's no coincidence that most of the flat earthers are religious and are grounding their belief in a flat earth on Biblical evidence. Once you can believe one thing without evidence, your brain is primed to do the same with other things. In this instance, the concept of a flat Earth are the shiny keys that provide that avenue into that particular brand of terminally online brain worms.

Biblical evidence? Nowhere in the bible does it state the earth is flat. I also notice that your focus is on Christianity, which I think is unfair considering even the early Church knew the earth wasn't flat. This new wave of flat earth belief is a modern trend and has nothing to do with Christianity.

Are some flat earth believers religious? Sure, but not all religious people believe in it, and not all flat Earth believers are religious either.

In regards to the lack of evidence, most of the flat earth community use a scientific method to a certain degreee. They'll make up experments to try and prove the earth is flat. Hilariously, this almost always proves the earth is round, but at least it shows they're not just faith based.

 

[Blade2.0]

these people should get flights into space (with no return)

SpaceX does need some human test pilots.

 

[Rentahamster]

Biblical evidence? Nowhere in the bible does it state the earth is flat.

Hence why it's extra stupid, but The Bible has passages that could be interpreted that way. Note how often flat earthers reference the firmament.

I also notice that your focus is on Christianity

A lot of the ones in the USA are.

which I think is unfair considering even the early Church knew the earth wasn't flat.

That is irrelevant. Flat earthers either think that's not true, or that it's part of the coverup.

This new wave of flat earth belief is a modern trend and has nothing to do with Christianity.

Then why do so many of them justify their flat earth beliefs as a way to combat the anti-religion pro-science round earth conspiracy?

Are some flat earth believers religious? Sure, but not all religious people believe in it

I didn't make that claim. Of course not all religious people believe in it.

and not all flat Earth believers are religious either.

Yet most of them are.

In regards to the lack of evidence, most of the flat earth community use a scientific method to a certain degreee. They'll make up experments to try and prove the earth is flat. Hilariously, this almost always proves the earth is round, but at least it shows they're not just faith based.

What they're doing isn't the scientific method, definitionally speaking.

 

[winjer]

People in 1924: I bet we'll have flying cars in the future.
People in 2024: The earth is flat.

 

[IDKFA]

Hence why it's extra stupid, but The Bible has passages that could be interpreted that way. Note how often flat earthers reference the firmament.

Which passages?

A lot of the ones in the USA are.

The USA is also home of most conspiracy theories.

That is irrelevant. Flat earthers either think that's not true, or that it's part of the coverup.

That's not an issue with religion or Christianity then, is it? This is the point I'm trying to make. If religion doesn't teach (not religion I'm aware of anyway) the earth is flat, if religious leaders believe the earth is round, then why is religion the problem?

The problem is that people clocked on that there was money to be made from vulnerable people, so jumped on the flat earth conspiracy grift. I would bet that the flat earth ring leaders are not religious, but also bet they know the earth is really round. It's all a grift.

 

[Rentahamster]

Which passages?

You can google about the firmament.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/the-earth-is-not-covered-by-a-dome-or-firmament-idUSL1N31W2RO/

Users on social media are saying people on Earth are living under a dome, also called a “firmament,” without providing evidence to support the claim. Experts told Reuters that the idea, which originates with proponents of the Flat Earth theory, is false and that there is ample evidence of rockets reaching space without hitting a dome.

The word firmament generally refers to the arc of the sky but is regarded in biblical cosmology as the dome created by God separating the earthly realm from the heavens (here).

What is the Firmament in the Bible? Genesis 1 Meaning

The firmament is mentioned in Genesis as part of the origin story of God creating the heavens and the earth. Discover the form, meaning, and significance of the firmament as we look at the Bible and artwork through history.

www.christianity.com

Literal Interpretation: Some Christians might adhere to a more literal interpretation of the Bible, viewing the firmament as a solid dome-like structure that physically exists, as described in Genesis. This view often sees the firmament as a real, tangible boundary between the waters above and the waters below the earth. Advocates of this perspective may consider modern scientific views as either complementary to or in conflict with their understanding of the biblical text.

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/ (hilarious source, BTW)

As I have previously discussed, belief that the earth is flat has rapidly grown of late, largely through dissemination via countless Internet sites and the influence of social media. Unfortunately, many Christians have fallen prey to this, misled into believing that the Bible teaches the earth is flat and that, until five centuries ago, the church likewise taught that the earth is flat. In this article, I will examine many of the biblical passages that supposedly teach that the earth is flat, and I will show that in fact they do not.

The USA is also home of most conspiracy theories.

No it's not, and even so, that's not a counterpoint to what I said. A lot of the ones in the USA are using religious justification for their flat earth beliefs.

That's not an issue with religion or Christianity then, is it? This is the point I'm trying to make.

Yes, it is. Recall what I said earlier:

It's not religion in and of itself that's the issue. It's more complicated than that. It's the kind of mindset that is strongly associated with religion of believing something on faith rather than evidence. It's no coincidence that most of the flat earthers are religious and are grounding their belief in a flat earth on Biblical evidence. Once you can believe one thing without evidence, your brain is primed to do the same with other things. In this instance, the concept of a flat Earth are the shiny keys that provide that avenue into that particular brand of terminally online brain worms.

The problem is that people clocked on that there was money to be made from vulnerable people, so jumped on the flat earth conspiracy grift. I would bet that the flat earth ring leaders are not religious, but also bet they know the earth is really round. It's all a grift.

We don't know if they actually believe it or not. I can only observe that they use religious justification as a platform for their flat earth beliefs, and that this is convincing to others who have similarly turned off their evidence-based critical thinking skills.

 

[kurisu_1974]

Which passages?

At this point I feel like you are not interested in an honest discussion possibly because you are christian yourself?

But anyways a quick google and

Psalm 104:5
He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved.

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth.

Proverbs 8:27
When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep.

Daniel 4:11
The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.

Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing.

Acts 10:11
And saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth.

Of course feel free to call these analogies or metaphors, but then you have to do that with the whole book imo.

 

[StueyDuck]

I wish them luck .

I'm sure it won't be a colossal waste of time and money.

 

[LegendOfKage]

That's because conspiracy theory believers should absolutely be ignored and mocked.

What about all the ones that turned out to be true? And what about fairly reasonable assumptions that are said to be conspiracy by those who want to censor thought and opinion? The lab leak theory comes to mind, but so do a few other things.

You should never surrender civil discussion to those who wish to silence opposing thought. However, I will say there is definitely a place in civil society to not accept when people treat their theories as gospel. Questioning things is fine, and considering "what if" is okay, but it's good to avoid certainty in matters like that.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Religion isn't the problem here.

People in the middle ages were more pious, but they knew the world wasn't flat.

This is just ignorance, stupidity and/or grifiting the vulnerable.

Why would religion be the problem? People have believed the Earth is a globe for thousands of years, and people were much more religious than they are now.

I've given this some thought and here's my interpretation of what's going on with flat earthers, anti vaxxers etc.

Our brains evolved to be simple pattern seeking machines, to recognize and connect a handful of outliers from a sea of background information. But usually only a handful at a time because of our limited individual mental capacities.

In the past, the background information, passed around as truth from an early age, consisted mostly of noise: superstition, religious belief and other unexplained - or poorly explained - phenomena. So it wasn't uncommon for a handful of holes (outlying data points) to be enough to set an independent thinker on a beneficial path. Like following a trail of breadcrumbs.

Each generation, some people would notice a few more persistent holes in the presiding models of the world, and over time started connecting them with other holes they selectively inherited, until it was possible to form coherent and testable theories, based on a slightly larger number of ideas - that number was more than a handful, but it wasn't so large that you couldn't grasp them all at once if you made a moderate effort to do so.

If you study the history of our understanding of the motion of celestial bodies, this is pretty much the process you see. Dogma can obviously influence this process but it usually can't halt it completely.

Over a long time this method has been so successful that today we live in a world where a lot of advanced and non trivial knowledge is ubiquitous, connected to everything around us, and passed around as truth, often inaccurately, from kindergarten, just as the myths of old were. In other words, it's become the background information.

In this situation, for some of us who are natural skeptics and also don't sufficiently understand the history of these gradual discoveries, our brains will be more attracted to the handful of "outliers" or exceptions, and try to connect those, rather than attempt to connect the thousands upon thousands of data points that constitute the accepted models.

So because our brains aren't built to handle so many data points, some people will end up clinging to the handful of exceptions, which in modern times are actually the noise rather than the signal.

Tl;dr
We evolved in world where islands of knowledge existed in a sea of noise, so they stood out to us.
Now we live in a world where, in certain domains, islands of noise exist in a sea of data. So they stand out to us.

To me, this helps explain a lot of things, such as certain media biases (air plane accidents are reported far more than automotive accidents, giving the impression that the former is more common, when the opposite is true), political biases (immigrants are stealing our jobs) etc.

 

[Sakura]

Why the correlation then?

Most flat earthers consider themselves very religious | YouGov

Just 66% of millennials firmly believe that the earth is round

today.yougov.com

Because religious people are ore susceptible to "beliefs" as opposed to knowledge maybe.

The majority of people in the world are religious so of course most flat earthers will be religious.
In any case, as I am sure you are aware, correlation does not equal causation. Your same link says that young people are more likely to believe the Earth is flat. Does that mean it would be fair to say young people are the problem?
The reality is the vast majority of people do not believe the Earth is flat, religious or otherwise. Whether or not religion existed, there would still be flat Earthers. There will always be people on the fringes who like to buy into conspiracy theories. I'm sure you will find people believing nonsense in non-religious countries as well.

 

[deriks]

Stupid meme, someone must be making money off of it but I don't see why.

Sometimes, and probably this, is just loosing money because of stupidity. Another Granfaloon if I may say

 

[SF Kosmo]

Well, for starters, if the worlds WAS a giant coin shaped disc in space, presumably there is AN ENTIRE OTHER SIDE we have not exploited, mined, or figured out if it is populated as well and they might come over and attack us!!

Don't be stupid, that's where the giant turtle is.

 

[kurisu_1974]

The majority of people in the world are religious so of course most flat earthers will be religious.
In any case, as I am sure you are aware, correlation does not equal causation. Your same link says that young people are more likely to believe the Earth is flat. Does that mean it would be fair to say young people are the problem?
The reality is the vast majority of people do not believe the Earth is flat, religious or otherwise. Whether or not religion existed, there would still be flat Earthers. There will always be people on the fringes who like to buy into conspiracy theories. I'm sure you will find people believing nonsense in non-religious countries as well.

Yet if you only take flat earthers (in the West) and then see there are a lot of religious types there, it might as well have a cause in the religion, as we also have seen in the Bible quotes and the stuff about the firmament. We are not talking about totals but about percentages.

Also both the firmament and the mountains where you can see the whole of earth are directly from the Bible and often used by Flat Earthers as "proof"

Atheists normally don't do "belief" per definition so I wonder how many flat earth atheists there actually are.