ZehDon
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For the entirety of last gen up until now, Naughty Dog hasn't created a single new IP.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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They didn't crunch because they didn't have to put in 1/3rd if the effort on LoU Remake.
Aenima
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As its mentioned in the tweet. It seems there has been changes in the studio to make it healthier. You dont know the size of the team working in the remake so you cant say they just put 1/3 of the effort.
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Shits_McGiggles
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Uncharted was the best thing to happen to Naughty Dog financially, but the damage it has caused to creativity in the AAA industry is irreversible.
El Pistolero
Banned
Here is what I think their roadmap will look like for this generation:
1. The multiplayer project: 2023/2024.
2. New IP: 2025
3-Next Uncharted: 2027
4-The Last of Us Chapter III: 2029
1. The multiplayer project: 2023/2024.
2. New IP: 2025
3-Next Uncharted: 2027
4-The Last of Us Chapter III: 2029
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DForce
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Uncharted 4 > Uncharted Lost Legacy > The Last of Us Part II > The Last of Us Remake (Started by VAS) > The Last of Us Multiplayer
They had no time to develop a new IP.
Right now they're working on a new IP and The Last of Us multiplayer. Sony's major studios are hiring a lot of people to take on multiple projects.
They had no time to develop a new IP.
Right now they're working on a new IP and The Last of Us multiplayer. Sony's major studios are hiring a lot of people to take on multiple projects.
Aenima
Member
Before Uncharted the market was flooded with bald space marine FPS. Lets pretend, the AAA industry took risks and not chased a especific safe trend. The creative stuf always came from small studios. Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari Damacy and many original titles always came from small teams with small budgets. Now they come from indies.
We also got big budget risky projects like Returnal and Death Stranding.
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Flakster99
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An underrated comment if I've ever seen one.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I love the Naughty Dog style of game even after all these years. Nobody can make them like they do. What is a modern game anyway? There was plenty of combat in LoU2. Could've used more combat in Uncharted 4 though. Nobody except for Sony Santa Monica can make this style of "playable movie" that those 2 studios make. There are plenty of open world games with nonstop action but not a lot of cinematic games. If ND started making arcade games or playformers I would be sad.
A playable movie btw is something like Detroit Become Human, not Last of Us. What do you think they should do instead? How should they gameify their games?
Umbasaborne
Banned
Yep, tripple a gaming is fucked beyond repair. Big tripple a games take too long to make, and are too expensive to produce now to take a risk on an unproven property. Miss the days when naughty dog made things other than the last of us and uncharted
El Pistolero
Banned
They ARE working on a new IP...
unintelligent orange
Member
for fucks sake they need to bring back their ps2 ip, make a new ip, and then come back next gen with TLOU3 or some shit.
they dont know how to make j&d anymore unfortunately so i guess only shit to really look forward to is a new ip for now.
completely agree with bruv above me. triple A takes too long to make. what the fuck are generations anymore when at most u get 3 games from a dev over 10+ years? thats too slow lol fuck out of here with this shit.
they dont know how to make j&d anymore unfortunately so i guess only shit to really look forward to is a new ip for now.
completely agree with bruv above me. triple A takes too long to make. what the fuck are generations anymore when at most u get 3 games from a dev over 10+ years? thats too slow lol fuck out of here with this shit.
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Sosokrates
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There franchises are still relatively young, and unlike some are not having signs of fatigue. So having new franchises is not something they need to do. Not many games like uncharted and TLOU.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
They made L.A. Noire 2 years before ND newest IP TLoU.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I'm excited to see what they make this gen.
Shits_McGiggles
Member
Before 2007? The FPS genre really wasn't that prevalent before (especially compared to post-COD 4) the first Uncharted game came out, but Uncharted's success became the staple franchise to emulate from. "Cinematic" became the design mantra that defined and continues to define the gaming industry, with the push raising costs astronomically. Having cutting edge, cinematic games meant that game developers had to make a choice, do they want to introduce complexity into a game at the risk of being lambasted for imperfections that ruin the "cinematic immersion," or did they want to use simpler mechanics so they could more easily maintain that "cinematic" appearance? In order to focus their budget on motion capture and all of the other superfluous graphical technology, game studios went with the more simplified game design.
Japan suffered during the 7th generation because Uncharted's prioritization on cinematic quality was equated to "appealing to the West," with budgets increasing to capture that cinematic appeal, and the chase to be "cinematic" killing the identity of Japanese gaming until the Japanese realized that they needed to avoid the big budgets and focus more on the gameplay in the 8th gen as much as possible.
Look at Sony's biggest IPs right now, Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon, God of War, The Last of Us, they share a lot of similar design touches introduced by Uncharted and ultimately I think the IPs suffer for the more homogenized design. Horizon Forbidden West's open world is limited by the Uncharted-inspired climbing mechanics that allows the developer to control how the "cinematic" narrative is delivered to the audience and the same with Ghost of Tsushima and God of War. At times, these games can feel relatively clunky with how controlled the experiences are meant to be, and I think it is clear that Sony is not interested in delivering a variety of experiences beyond the "third person cinematic" games in regards to single-player games anymore.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Cool story, but not even slightly true.
A2una1
Member
Ok then tell me the new IPs from 343, Polyphony, The Coalition and many many more. Heck, you can even argue God of War is not a new IP but has been revamped to look and feel totally new. When you want to bash Naughty Dog, you have to bash a lot of other studios to....
Also in some kind of ways you could say, even Elden Ring is just open world Dark Souls with a new Name on it.....
Naughty Dog has 2 incredibly well running IPs as it is, I don't see the need for them to create a new IP....
Also in some kind of ways you could say, even Elden Ring is just open world Dark Souls with a new Name on it.....
Naughty Dog has 2 incredibly well running IPs as it is, I don't see the need for them to create a new IP....
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crackajack
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Dev times exploded for some reason I don't really see since 3d-scanning should make the need for more assets equally doable and games barely got more complex since PS360, but everyone seems to struggle to get their games out, so going from two new IPs to possibly only one or sometimes none per gen is hardly surprising, even if the studio got much bigger.
As long as Sony doesn't do like Activision does with CoD and throw several/ almost all studios on Destiny 3, Factions, or whatever their CoD competition will be, Sony as a whole is fine. There are more studios in the entire industry than ever working on games. If Naugthy Dog is stuck with Uncharted and TloU for the foreseeable future, maybe Good Boy is coming up with the new IP we don't yet know we want. The number of studios I did never hear before Embracer and Tencent bought them for some other gajillions moneyz is crazy and while many probably will try to copy some proven hit formula, someone among those might surprise with a new hit IP. Especially China and maybe finally Korea, eventually I also hope some African studio too, could enter with some new concepts or at least different stories and settings.
As long as Sony doesn't do like Activision does with CoD and throw several/ almost all studios on Destiny 3, Factions, or whatever their CoD competition will be, Sony as a whole is fine. There are more studios in the entire industry than ever working on games. If Naugthy Dog is stuck with Uncharted and TloU for the foreseeable future, maybe Good Boy is coming up with the new IP we don't yet know we want. The number of studios I did never hear before Embracer and Tencent bought them for some other gajillions moneyz is crazy and while many probably will try to copy some proven hit formula, someone among those might surprise with a new hit IP. Especially China and maybe finally Korea, eventually I also hope some African studio too, could enter with some new concepts or at least different stories and settings.
Kupfer
Member
What about Red Dead Redemption in 2010 and L.A. Noire in 2011?
But I get your point.
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misread you post like PS2 era games where the last new R* IPs. NVM
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custardbun01
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This isn’t just a naughty dog problem it’s a Sony one.
Sequels and franchises have a place. But they can be overdone. Ghost of Tsushima was the last new IP I remember from a Sony studio and it was bloody brilliant - deserves a sequel or new game in the same genre. Gran Turismo is also an iterative journey. I could play more of those (but I’d like Kaz to pass the torch and get some fresh eyes on it to evolve the series more - for example, give us real damage and collision physics!)
But everything else I can think think of from
their first party studios is a franchise game and I have a been there done that feeling with it all. God of War Raganarok isn’t even exciting me and I really enjoyed PS4s GoW.
I wish they’d just announce something new and exciting. Not LoU 3 or Uncharted 5.
Sequels and franchises have a place. But they can be overdone. Ghost of Tsushima was the last new IP I remember from a Sony studio and it was bloody brilliant - deserves a sequel or new game in the same genre. Gran Turismo is also an iterative journey. I could play more of those (but I’d like Kaz to pass the torch and get some fresh eyes on it to evolve the series more - for example, give us real damage and collision physics!)
But everything else I can think think of from
their first party studios is a franchise game and I have a been there done that feeling with it all. God of War Raganarok isn’t even exciting me and I really enjoyed PS4s GoW.
I wish they’d just announce something new and exciting. Not LoU 3 or Uncharted 5.
Markio128
Gold Member
Returnal, Death Stranding…
He said Sony studio. Death Stranding is not a Sony studio and Returnal was years in the making or even released before it became a Sony studio.
Markio128
Gold Member
It (Returnal) still released under a Sony Studio. That’s like saying anything Bethesda has released, or is about to release, like Starfield, is not under MS. New IPs are a rare commodity, but I don’t think criticising Sony on this aspect is particularly fair tbh.
Ellery
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Wild that you picked Naughty Dog a studio that actually released amazing games with smaller intervalls during the PS4 generation compared to many other big studios that didn't even release a single game or maybe just one sequel.
And then Naughty Dog tries something with TLOU Part 2 and a lot of people here complain that they just want another Joel game like TLOU1 was.
smh
And then Naughty Dog tries something with TLOU Part 2 and a lot of people here complain that they just want another Joel game like TLOU1 was.
smh
Jim Ryan other Clone
Banned
Go now at the search bar and type Kena. You will find that many claim that this game was not groundbreaking, graphical showcase or more jargon bullshit everyone speaks in here. You go to the GoW threads and it's DLC it's not next gen, it's not innovative etc
So how do you expect them to create a new IP when there is big chance if it's small in scale everyone will shit on it, if it's not graphical showcase everyone will claim it's dlc. So they make every 4-5 years a new sequels because they have to make money.
Actually it was released 2 months before Sony bought them. Starfield will be released long after MS bought them so to me it's technically a MS game (at least on paper, i know they hadn't much to do with it).
Not arguing with you about that it's not just a Sony problem, because you are right. The AAA industry is a desert.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Returnal exists because of Sony so why does it matter whether they owned the studio or not at that point?
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Read the context, rolandss said "Ghost of Tsushima was the last new IP I remember from a Sony studio", someone said he is wrong, i said he is right. That's it.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
He also said it's a Sony problem. It's not. Returnal and Death Stranding is also Sony investing new IPs, Choosing to ignore those is an argument of pointless semantics
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Hypereides
Gold Member
Its one of the reasons I'm totally uninterested in what future Naughty Dog will bring. They used to be about these whimsical, and charming worlds, but with Dr.Ucky in charge they dramatically changed their tone and creative direction. They might as well rename the studio to "Good dog".
Makes me kinda want that Jason Rubin was still around. Even the original discarded design of Nathan Drake was more memorable.
Makes me kinda want that Jason Rubin was still around. Even the original discarded design of Nathan Drake was more memorable.
Rockstar published the game. Team Bondi developed it.
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I never said i agree with him on other things than the quoted stuff. It's simply a question of definition. In my opinion Returnal or Death Stranding are much more Sony's games than Diablo 4 or Starfield are Microsoft's games, but still the first two are not games by Sony studios while the last two are games by Microsoft studios. That's it, just some terminology, no need to discuss this any further.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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They're Sony games regardless. It's not a matter of opinion
Kokoloko85
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I just hope there main team is working on a new IP.
Let the other team work on a new or Uncharted 1 remake.
Then do TLOU part 3 if needed ( start on it with another team )
Let the other team work on a new or Uncharted 1 remake.
Then do TLOU part 3 if needed ( start on it with another team )
Kokoloko85
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Uncharted 4 was pretty fun
DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy
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I don’t really care about ND’s games, but let’s not pretend stagnation in terms of new IP’s isn’t an industry-wide issue with AAA games.
Punished Miku
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Lots of IPs have been around a long time and can remain fresh for me, like Mario and Zelda. So I don't think the issue is that they didn't make a new IP on PS4. They made one in late PS3, and they're probably making one this gen.
I think the main issue I have is just that the variety in gameplay and art style could definitely improve. Some of the environments in Uncharted 4 could honestly have easily been swapped out with The Last of Us 2. Overgrown moss abandoned buildings. Realistic art style. Similar gameplay, TPS with light stealth.
There's not a ton of TPS games out these days so if they stick with this its not the end of the world. But every time they put out something, I'm always thinking that its a wasted opportunity to do something a lot more interesting and varied. It's become very predictable and they're not mixing things up enough in the game to have the IPs remain timeless like some Nintendo IPs. The gameplay just doesn't surprise enough for me personally. It obviously works well for millions of others, so that's fine.
If they make a new IP that grabs my attention, I'll be insanely happy because I never really could get that into Uncharted or The Last of Us.
I think the main issue I have is just that the variety in gameplay and art style could definitely improve. Some of the environments in Uncharted 4 could honestly have easily been swapped out with The Last of Us 2. Overgrown moss abandoned buildings. Realistic art style. Similar gameplay, TPS with light stealth.
There's not a ton of TPS games out these days so if they stick with this its not the end of the world. But every time they put out something, I'm always thinking that its a wasted opportunity to do something a lot more interesting and varied. It's become very predictable and they're not mixing things up enough in the game to have the IPs remain timeless like some Nintendo IPs. The gameplay just doesn't surprise enough for me personally. It obviously works well for millions of others, so that's fine.
If they make a new IP that grabs my attention, I'll be insanely happy because I never really could get that into Uncharted or The Last of Us.
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Captain Toad
Banned
You could say that about a ton of studios. New IPs are rare in AAA gaming relative to established franchises.
lovetalkgames
Banned
Anyone else remember the rumors they were working on a space themed game? Was before PS4 gen.
Punished Miku
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Yeah, hopefully. There's some posters or easter egg stuff in games hinting at it.
ZehDon
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UC4 was half way done before Druckmann and Straley took over the project. I'd say its the least "fun" in the series, trading off being a rollicking adventure for being a deconstruction trope.
GreatnessRD
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This should be pinned and awarded a medal. Hop to it, Gaffers!
Punished Miku
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I mean, people frequently criticize Rockstar for the same thing. I don't know what the point is. Similar studios really, focused on AAAA graphics and realism. Similar issues at times. Both moving into more multiplayer stuff as well.
Kokoloko85
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Im sure he was pretty involved at least 50%.
Id say its way better than U1 and U3. The combat is better than U2 too. Some of the action is great. I don’t think there are that many better games in that genre