Launch games will have to start going gold in as soon as 12 weeks. 12 weeks out it seems that devs would need to know how much memory was available to them.
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Launch games will have to start going gold in as soon as 12 weeks. 12 weeks out it seems that devs would need to know how much memory was available to them.
No, they claim to have leaked development documents, the slide is just there to bolster their claim... which is a bit odd, since that slide is about CPU usage, not memory.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Read the article.
Crimson_Gold
Member
I guess they couldn't wait or Sony didn't respond in time. Either or, I await further clarification
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
This makes absolutely no sense. I just don't see how it can use a whole 3.5 gb just for an OS. This makes it kind of no different than an X1 right now. I'm actually happy I've never gotten into a argument when I mentioned specs because, this would of blew me away lol. Either way this is crazy. Sony definitely needs to explain this..
Cerny said he added 4 GB of ram at the behest of a developer asking for it... but eurogamer is telling us they essentially added 4GB so they can use it all up with the OS. Sounds like nonsense to me. In just a few months, Sony ballooned the OS from .5 to 1 GB to 3 GB?
Funny how it uses '3.5' GB of ram, just above the One, to convince people who don't know much about tech that the one can use more for it's games.
Funny how it uses '3.5' GB of ram, just above the One, to convince people who don't know much about tech that the one can use more for it's games.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
That's quite a bit of resource hog considering the console was supposed to have only 4GB of RAM. Let's see how this story develops.
Neuromancer
Member
Is this good or bad?
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
You clearly can't read or don't understand what they are doing. The OS isn't using the memory, they are reserving it for apps. They want the ability to quickly switch from game to app and back, that means you cannot have apps unloading and loading again, they want split second pauses, not multi-second ones..
Vestal
Junior Member
While this is pretty big news in regards to what the OS will be using, 4.5-5.5GB is a lot. ITS not a OMG DOOM.
However the whole flex memory thing has me troubled a bit.
3GB reserved for OS operations sounds fine, considering they are pushing for Apps to be run through the OS possibly concurrent with games.
However the whole flex memory thing has me troubled a bit.
3GB reserved for OS operations sounds fine, considering they are pushing for Apps to be run through the OS possibly concurrent with games.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
2.5 GB of rams for the OS ?
Black Republican
Member
It was shit, lets just say it. If Sony needs that much mem for OS on the PS4 im all for it
There are multiple figures cited...
HocusPocus
Member
Uh oh
Pound_lb003
Member
Twelve weeks out, developers still aren't working on final dev kits, actually.
And twelve weeks out, tying down a safe RAM partition, might be why it's as low as it is, in Sony documentation.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Good if you like a quick and snappy menu system. Bad if you think devs can max out the console out of the gate. I guess.
Yeah, potential feature parity with the Xbone. We'll either see the OS get optimized with a smaller footprint, or they'll start adding in multitasking apps and stuff.
Alright, GAF. You know what to do.
Head to Twitter? #3GBOS?
EDIT: This all seems strange. Shouldn't games like Killzone and Knack and whatnot be pretty close to almost completed...? If the answer is yes, they did so without knowing how much RAM they have to dedicate elsewhere? Does this even sound correct to anyone?
Head to Twitter? #3GBOS?
EDIT: This all seems strange. Shouldn't games like Killzone and Knack and whatnot be pretty close to almost completed...? If the answer is yes, they did so without knowing how much RAM they have to dedicate elsewhere? Does this even sound correct to anyone?
A great point and it's why I am so confused. It simply doesn't make sense.
Double confirmed.
SniperHunter
Banned
I wonder how much processing power the OS will eat up? Reserving two cores for OS is a lot, especially since the CPU is already weak
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Well, it might be that. Still, doubling down on that kind of ram just to spend almost all of it in the OS itself is pretty silly to me.
No.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Did the same thing happen with Xbox 360? Anyways, i have heard about the PS3 but exactly how much footprint was reduced over time? Do you have any exact figure?
Not really. Ram might be the most precious commodity of a game console. 3GB for an OS is a waste for systems which only have 8GB.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
This would make a lot of sense coming off what Vita is dong in allocating resources for OS. Doesn't it use 512MB for game use and a separate 256mb for OS?
This would tie well into the up to 5.5 initially being available. I think this will shrink over time.
The multitasking on Vita is pretty fast for a dedicated handheld so if anything, this bodes well for the much more powerful PS4.
Zok310
Banned
This and basic math.
Makes sense. Also the instant on thing as well as doing lots of stuff in the background as well as when the system is in sleep mode might have something to do with this.
Again, he's pulling it out of his ass and trying to make a point out of it, hoping that people will take it as gospel as spread it around.
Seems to e working as well. sigh.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I realize this takes additional RAM to do but what exactly would make this so different from the Vita in terms of how much it takes to do all of that?
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Deleted member 47027
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lol pretty much this
Pagusas
Elden Member
according to the article in the OP, 4.5 is the baseline and 5.5 is available on special request, but requires a lot of work. Thats what everyone seems to be referring to.
Jinfash
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Neuromancer
Member
Hmm ok that makes sense.
Dude is banned, I doubt we will be hearing anything from him on GAF soon.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Exactly. If true, Sony developers have a bit more available RAM than they expected JUST for games. The OS should be better, too. Sony fanboys just have less fuel for the console war is all this amounts to.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Is this some sort of in-joke I'm not privy to? The OS would not have been planned to be 3.5 gb prior to the upgrade. The article never says it was. The article never implies it was. In fact it explicitly states that it did not:
Even if you didn't read that this "problem" with the article is instantly resolved with one second of brainpower applied to it, because nobody ever said that the OS has always been designed this way.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Nope. Waiting for some insider info
OldAsUrSock
Banned
You don't understand. The PS4 has GDDR5, not DDR3.
Is that for real? Because if it is then holy shit what?
Also, for everyone stating so, Eurogamer aren't saying that the Killzone screenshot is their source. They have other sources and are using the Killzone screenshot tangentially about something else - the CPU.
FunkyPajamas
Member
n4g is running with it as rumor: http://n4g.com/news/1320057/playstation-4-gives-up-to-5-5gb-of-ram-to-game-developers