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[Lysandros]

800€ for a 16Teraflop machine…

Since when 16.7 is rounded up to 16? What do you know besides teraflops?

 

[Pfroebbel]

When I switched from the OG PS5 to the Slim PS5, I just moved across the SSD, and I was surprised to see all my games just showed up. So... probably, is the answer to your question.

It is. Thanks

Sonys Communication is really not good
This bullshit with the Covers make me angry

 

[RobRSG]

Since when 16.7 is rounded up to 16? What do you know besides teraflops?

I know that 0.7 is not enough to round up a full teraflop more. For fuck sake, I know some blokes back home that are rounding these 16.7 Teraflops to 33 Teraflops, because they think FP16 is something worth mentioning.

 

[Gaiff]

Bro said custom "silicone" as if they had outfitted the Pro with fake tits.

 

[SonGoku]

Hmmmm....I know it doesnt scale linearly, but that's a potential 75% reduction in power from 7nm to 4nm, and the TF increase is 67%

How so? 7nm to N5 at most i seen it claimed a 30% reduction and on this in depth article its actually only a 20% reduction at same settings

TSMC is touting a 1.8x higher transistor density (~45% area reduction) when compared to the original CLN7FF, but it will only enable a 15% frequency gain (at the same complexity and power) or a 20% power reduction (at the same frequency and complexity). With the CLN5, TSMC will also offer an Extremely Low Threshold Voltage (ELTV) option that will enable its clients to increase frequencies of their chips by 25%

N5 to N4 power efficiency gains arent explicitly mentioned beyond "some performance and power improvements through various BEOL enhancements"

N5 to N4P is another 22% improvement in power efficiency
If my math is right going from N7 to N4P is a 37.6% power reduction (if we assume N7 to N5 is a 20% power reduction) and 45.4% power reduction (if we assume N7 to N5 is a 30% power reduction)

If PS5 Pro is only using N4 then the power efficiency gains will be lower than those mentioned above

 

[skneogaf]

I'd have definitely bought one but so many ps5 games are on pc now. I enjoyed the ps4pro boost when I bought it but it doesn't make sense for some of us now.

 

[ChoosableOne]

If you buy a PS5 Pro to play PS4 games, you have a problem.

Yeah thats true, you should buy it to play remasters of ps4 games.

 

[MisterXDTV]

The HDMI spec of the PS5 supported 8K hence the one title outputting 8K.

Completely wrong

You are confusing 8K RENDERING with 8K Output

Base PS5 CAN'T OUTPUT AN 8K SIGNAL since Day 1

It's not in the video resolution list in the settings menu

 

[SonGoku]

Some might say it's an extravagant use of the PS4's fast GDDR5 memory, so the extra DDR3 memory in the Pro is used to store non-critical apps, opening up more RAM for game developers.

"On PS4 Pro, we do things differently, when you stop using Netflix, we move it to the slow, conventional gigabyte of DRAM. Using that strategy frees up almost one gigabyte of the eight gigabytes of GDDR5. We use 512MB of that freed up space for games, which is to say that games can use 5.5GB instead of the five and we use most of the rest to make the PS4 Pro interface - meaning what you see when you hit the PS button - at 4K rather than the 1080p it is today."

Isnt this function already covered by SSD on current gen base consoles by suspending unused apps onto a page file on the SSD

 

[Venom Snake]

Of course it's worth it. No matter how you look at it, it's still a good price/performance ratio.

It is also worth mentioning the convenience of buying a pre-built machine, this is also included in the price.

And since there are still many games that i haven't had the opportunity to check out, i won't have the impression that i'm only paying for a 6TF update.

Good times ahead.

 

[MisterXDTV]

I know that 0.7 is not enough to round up a full teraflop more. For fuck sake, I know some blokes back home that are rounding these 16.7 Teraflops to 33 Teraflops, because they think FP16 is something worth mentioning.

I see Xbots are still talking about Teraflops on Twitter...

They are still clueless, aren't they?

Let's see how the MS "mid-gen" from 2020 compares to the Sony mid-gen from 2024...

It will be hilarious

 

[Dorfdad]

IF you don't think it's worth it, FINE but why are you trying to convince me that it's not worth it to me? Do you know my needs / wants or concerns? Stop babbling about how big your dick is. Play the games you want to and buy what you want to. Pricing isn't your concern for me. If you don't think PS5 Pro is worth 250 more over PS5 than fine that's your opinion. Mine is that for the amount of money I get a much newer and modernized system. A better GPU, a boost mode, 2 TB storage, 2 extra GB of RAM and upgraded wifi. That's enough for me.

I don't care what hardware is inside what I care about is developers taking advantage of it. Lets have those discussions and not if its worth it.

Switch is a technical albatross and not worth $400 but it has some of the best games I played this generation.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Completely wrong

You are confusing 8K RENDERING with 8K Output

Base PS5 CAN'T OUTPUT AN 8K SIGNAL since Day 1

It's not in the video resolution list in the settings menu

Wasn't there a game The Tourist or whatever it was that was 8k on the PS5?

Did it not output at 8k I take it?

 

[MisterXDTV]

Wasn't there a game The Tourist or whatever it was that was 8k on the PS5?

Did it not output at 8k I take it?

Exactly, the game renders at 8K but is downscaled to 4K for output

 

[Dorfdad]

Wasn't there a game The Tourist or whatever it was that was 8k on the PS5?

Did it not output at 8k I take it?

Yes it did / does, but im not buying the Pro with any thought towards 8k. Why we bicker and move goalposts is beyond me. It's a 4k/60 machine and as long as developers adhere to that Im fine with it.

PS this isn't directed at anyone just saying why are fighting over 8k stuff now lol.

 

[SKYF@ll]

Bro said custom "silicone" as if they had outfitted the Pro with fake tits.

The developer said:
"An actual custum silicone AI upscaler that performs the upscaling the anti-aliasing frees up a lot of the GPU to render pure Graphic but also improves the visuals and the jump in quality Fidelity the extra detail on the distance is just unbelievable."

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Completely wrong

You are confusing 8K RENDERING with 8K Output

Base PS5 CAN'T OUTPUT AN 8K SIGNAL since Day 1

It's not in the video resolution list in the settings menu

It's not completely wrong.
With it rendering 8K it can also output 8K but Sony chose to not enable 8K output.

 

[Cyborg]

Day one

 

[jasondefaoite]

It's not completely wrong.
With it rendering 8K it can also output 8K but Sony chose to not enable 8K output.

 

[scarlet0pimp]

Glad it got the extra RAM thats a nice move

 

[solidus12]

You don’t use the better percentage of pixels to rendering performance. 77% more pixels =/= 77% faster rendering.

However, if the PS4 Pro only did 1080p>1440p most of the time, it’s even less than 77% faster.

PS exclusives went beyond 1440p, when they used checkerboard rendering.

Ghost of Tsushima : 1800p
The Last Guardian : 1800p
Infamous Second Son/First Light : 1800p
Detroit Become Human : 2160p
God of War : 2160p
Days Gone : 2160p
Gravity Rush 2 : 2160p ?
Horizon Zero Dawn 2160p

Naughty Dog didn’t really put much effort and opted for a 1440p resolution in their PS4 games.

 

[Kamina]

I know that 0.7 is not enough to round up a full teraflop more. For fuck sake, I know some blokes back home that are rounding these 16.7 Teraflops to 33 Teraflops, because they think FP16 is something worth mentioning.

Shhh, it’s okay, the evil Flops can’t hurt you

 

[Teh Chosen Juan]

Ok so it was May of last year I shared the TF number

Damn! Save some pussy for the rest of us bro!

 

[Neo Blaster]

Neither concerned nor do care. It's just amazing how Sony can get away with stuff and fanboys are just sheep following. at least Zen3 for a system that is being released 4 years since your last Zen 2 console.

I really hope it flop sales and marketing-wise. I'm not too fond of this trend.

For someone who does not care you seem too bothered about it.

 

[Fafalada]

PS exclusives went beyond 1440p, when they used checkerboard rendering.

1800CB - 39% over 1080p.
1440p - 77% over 1080p.

Ghost of Tsushima : 1800p
The Last Guardian : 1800p
Infamous Second Son/First Light : 1800p
Detroit Become Human : 2160p
God of War : 2160p
Days Gone : 2160p
Gravity Rush 2 : 2160p ?
Horizon Zero Dawn 2160p

GR2 and Resogun used a different method - basically it was 2160p with VRS set to 1/4. So shading at 1080p, rendering geometry at 2160p.
GT:S, Knack 1/2 were also 1800 CB, since we're listing the 1st parties.

And then there's the list of titles that did 1440p (Ratchet, Shadow Of Colossus, TLOU, Uncharted 4, TLL etc.), and Spiderman which was DRS (but I don't remember the range).
If we averaged all of the above - 1st parties would actually land below '1440p shaded pixels' - not that it matters as end-results are more important - but for people that equate pixel-counts to GPU performance metrics, PS4Pro was nowhere near 2x.

Naughty Dog didn’t really put much effort and opted for a 1440p resolution in their PS4 games.

Having read the detailed breakdown of what NDD did in Uncharted, I wouldn't call it lazy at all.
There were elements of CBR that just weren't possible to hit target performance metrics at 2160p(even 1440p wasn't some 'free lunch' in Uncharted - they had to put work into it) - and they made the choice of 1440p with their AA based on quality achieved - compared to lower CB resolutions (like 1800p).

 

[Fafalada]

Since when 16.7 is rounded up to 16? What do you know besides teraflops?

Not even - once you account for variable mhz - it's probably more like 9.2

 

[MazingerDUDE]

considering the die size, 4nm is pretty much confirmed.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

considering the die size, 4nm is pretty much confirmed.

Why did Digital Foundry think this was going to be 7nm?

Are they that clueless?

 

[saintjules]

IF you don't think it's worth it, FINE but why are you trying to convince me that it's not worth it to me? Do you know my needs / wants or concerns? Stop babbling about how big your dick is. Play the games you want to and buy what you want to. Pricing isn't your concern for me. If you don't think PS5 Pro is worth 250 more over PS5 than fine that's your opinion. Mine is that for the amount of money I get a much newer and modernized system. A better GPU, a boost mode, 2 TB storage, 2 extra GB of RAM and upgraded wifi. That's enough for me.

I don't care what hardware is inside what I care about is developers taking advantage of it. Lets have those discussions and not if its worth it.

Switch is a technical albatross and not worth $400 but it has some of the best games I played this generation.

Its just a way to try and derail others not to get it. Some can't afford it so they want to make sure others don't get it.They're not gonna get me that's for sure.

Wait Pro is $250 more? Base PS5 is $499 and Pro is $699USD. Are you factoring in tax or something?

 

[Zacfoldor]

Yes PS5 Pro! Take! Take and never give! Finish!

Soon we shall all know its power. PS5 pro is like spirals in Uzumaki and I’m just a victim. Be one with us and the spiral!

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Why did Digital Foundry think this was going to be 7nm?

Are they that clueless?

Shilling for MS, like usual.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Shilling for MS, like usual.

The power supply on 7nm would be insane, and the chip size makes it sort of untenable for a console

It did seem like an odd take to downplay the machine for not being modern

 

[Radical_3d]

Yes PS5 Pro! Take! Take and never give! Finish!

Soon we shall all know its power. PS5 pro is like spirals in Uzumaki and I’m just a victim. Be one with us and the spiral!

I’ll take what he’s taking.

 

[Dorfdad]

Its just a way to try and derail others not to get it. Some can't afford it so they want to make sure others don't get it.They're not gonna get me that's for sure.

Wait Pro is $250 more? Base PS5 is $499 and Pro is $699USD. Are you factoring in tax or something?

I was factoring in people. Itching about the damn stand

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Its just a way to try and derail others not to get it. Some can't afford it so they want to make sure others don't get it.They're not gonna get me that's for sure.

Wait Pro is $250 more? Base PS5 is $499 and Pro is $699USD. Are you factoring in tax or something?

Base PS5 is $449 (MSRP).

 

[TehGoomba7s]

Any word on what the SSD space is after system files?

 

[Lagspike_exe]

The power supply on 7nm would be insane, and the chip size makes it sort of untenable for a console

It did seem like an odd take to downplay the machine for not being modern

DF said a lot of bizarre things of time, almost all of which were downplaying Sony. Cerny, in the end, proves them wrong.

 

[saintjules]

Base PS5 is $449 (MSRP).

That's the cost of the slim though not the version with thr physical drive. So I guess that's the confusion then.

 

[Unknown?]

omg i just noticed the memory is DDR5 2GB...

Note : its a joke I know its for the OS only. but still too small lol.

Tell me you are used to Windows without telling me you use Windows.

 

[paolo11]

So the Tflops is 16, not 32 correct?

 

[SportsFan581]

So they did add the some ram for the OS again. I had wondered if that would be in there.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So the Tflops is 16, not 32 correct?

It’s 16.7 TF for an apples to apples comparison

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Besides the fact that it already rendered a game at 8K, it's part of the HDMI 2.1 spec.

Sony has to enable it for output but why would they?

 

[Heisenberg007]

Because it launched at $399(DE) & $499 (PE). Four years later there should be a substantial price cut not increase.
As far back as August 2021 they claimed the PE no longer selling at loss and the DE had its losses offset by peripherals and PS4

Yes, and then inflation happened.

I'm sharing with you 2024 data, which is obviously after August 2021. Things changed.

 

[Bluntman]

So the Tflops is 16, not 32 correct?

Correct. Anyone who said this would have dual-issue compute is completely clueless.

There is no reason to add lots of specific dedicated logic for RT and use dual-issue at the same time.

 

[balls of snow]

Seems all that tech is worth it if you look at it from future proofing angle. We still got a long way to go this gen and games are coming out blurrier than ever (mostly 3rd party). If it was a simple case of rt on 30 / rt off 60 then yeah the pro is not needed. But the hit to res this gen to get to 60 is painful.

 

[Kataploom]

Ok so it was May of last year I shared the TF number

Oh man, when is Nintendo announcing Switch 2? Give me your best guess

 

[Parazels]

Any word on what the SSD space is after system files?

 

[Codeblew]

Tell me you are used to Windows without telling me you use Windows.

I can't wait until more people realize that most games run just fine on Linux. The more people that hop over, the more the industry will have to have first class support for linux. Windows is a bloated POS OS.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

My launch PS5 has 667GB of total space.

PS5 Pro increases this to 1.89TB

So basically nearly 3X the storage of base PS5. That’s going to be really nice