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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT PART 2| Season 6 - [Read the OP]
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WaterAstro
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DeathByBacklog
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Only recently realized she was an ex-porn actress. I had no clue. And not soft core either. Maybe they figured playing a prostitute wouldn't have been much of a stretch for her (no puns intended).
I'm guessing she got the ability once Jaqen told her, "you are No One now" since she was able to beat another Faceless Men and gave her face to the Many-Faced God. She was only really able to leave because she gave a face and because Jaqn, even though he likes to talk about being No One, actually likes her and wants her to be happy.
Remember how he was disappointed that she didn't go with him at the end of season 2? Or how he thought it was a shame that she had to die because she had many talents? He has always had a soft spot for her and that smile and nod confirmed that he didn't mind bending the rules for Arya.
Remember how he was disappointed that she didn't go with him at the end of season 2? Or how he thought it was a shame that she had to die because she had many talents? He has always had a soft spot for her and that smile and nod confirmed that he didn't mind bending the rules for Arya.
Ah I'll go with this. Good enough for me. I'll just act like that brothel assassination scene happened without any shapeshifting.
That looks beautiful
This is pretty close to how I feel about her now. The first time I watched it I didn't quite buy into her turn against Tyrion. But as I've rewatched the show it works better for me now. Her big fight with Tyrion may have triggered things, but it had been building for a while and the situation with Sansa was much more at the heart of it.
It's important to remember how stubborn Tyrion was too. Shae was perfectly willing to get away to safety, just not without Tyrion. She begged him to get out of King's Landing with her but he just couldn't do it and it cost them both in the end. Apparently his love of having some power and playing "the game" was more important to him than whatever love he felt for her.
ComputerBlue
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Yeah.
"The faces are for no one, you are someone, and to someone the faces are as good as poison."
Yeah, so it wasn't like she had the ability to change faces like they do, she stole it and then got royally fucked up because of it.
It seems like the poison water in the House of Black and White is key to the magical aspect of the faceless men. There were a few scenes in season 5 where people were brought to the house, then died after drinking the water. Then they made a big deal of Arya drinking the water, and surviving, like someone mentioned a few posts up. I think the faces can only be worn by someone who has drank the water and survived, and the only faces that can worn are those of people who die from drinking the water. I don't think the magic on the show needs more detailed explanations that something like that. There's nothing wrong with keeping certain things vague.
Lol, so true.
Naughty_Doge
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Oh, Jon can't wink.
He really knows nothing.
He managed to scrunch up the right side of his mouth, it's a mastery of the Double Wink!
Rabbi_Vole
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Do you think we will see love interests for the dragons in the next season?
Despite Dany's dragons all having 'male' names, are we sure that none are female?
Do they reproduce in the common sense, or can either gender lay eggs? They could be the last dragons if they don't reproduce.
I think they can change sex at will.
Saw this linked on Twitter, a Game of Thrones tribute edited like one of the last Suicide Squad trailers, it's quite well put together.
Dirtyshubb
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Lol very well done.
It makes my desire to watch from the beginning again even stronger. Sadly my wife has demanded we wait until there is some uber full collection of the show on blu ray once it's complete before we buy any of the previous seasons.
Can't blame her though, that's going to be an amazing collection to have.
ComputerBlue
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Well she had the ability, somehow. She just didn't have the permission, lol.
I wonder where she got her new face from though, hopefully she doesn't start showing up as loads of different people. I'd prefer it if it was always the same face.
ComputerBlue
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What if Ned lied and made up the story of Rhaegar raping Lyanna as to protect Jon, instead of saying she died at birth.
If it was known that she died at birth, then Jon wouldn't have been as safe. This way it removed any last remaining suspicion, since the truth died with Lyanna.
If it was known that she died at birth, then Jon wouldn't have been as safe. This way it removed any last remaining suspicion, since the truth died with Lyanna.
Well the precedent for that story was already there beforehand, as the war started because Rhaegar 'kidnapped' Lyanna. I guess he could have embellished it even further, although that seems a little out of character for him.
Notice how he doesn't ever have anything bad to say about Targaryans when talking with Robert.
ComputerBlue
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Yeah, I guess at that point it wouldn't really have mattered. If they thought she was kidnapped it would have probably been assumed she was raped as well.
I finally got around to watching the finale. I'm glad we got two great episodes to top off what was shaping up to be a lackluster season. Honestly the past two seasons really dampened my enthusiasm for this show, a show that was literally my favorite thing I'd ever seen on TV through the first four seasons. It became so aimless after season 4 that I didn't care much about what was happening.
This finale wasn't just exciting. To me it felt like it finally cleansed the show of pointless story lines like the Sparrows, Arya's training, Dany's never-ending series of triumphs and setbacks, Dorne/Sandsnakes, etc.
The past two seasons largely felt like diversions, but now the show has finally become focused again and I'm really excited for it. Hopefully having fewer episodes in the final seasons means we'll get less filler.
This finale wasn't just exciting. To me it felt like it finally cleansed the show of pointless story lines like the Sparrows, Arya's training, Dany's never-ending series of triumphs and setbacks, Dorne/Sandsnakes, etc.
The past two seasons largely felt like diversions, but now the show has finally become focused again and I'm really excited for it. Hopefully having fewer episodes in the final seasons means we'll get less filler.
ReplacementPelican
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Well, it could be assumed that Robert saw the body and either;
A) saw the body in the bed with blood around her crotch - that was explained by rape.
B) he saw the body and assumed this was the case because of the above.
Grotesque to think about, I know but it would explain why they felt the need to add the rape part.
I doubt Robert ever saw the body in that state.
loganclaws
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Dude just stop watching of you thought this season was lacklustre. Literally every episode was amazing with major development. Bran, Jon, hodor, white Walker reveal, benjen, the hound, ramsi, so much stuff happened.
I mean, none of those story lines are pointless though. Glad you're back to being hyped again!
Host Samurai
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Been rewatching the series and I've become so fascinated with Essos. Why is it so much stranger than Westeros? It's full of weirdos with strange powers. Is Essos suppose to be mostly unexplored? Is it suppose to be the equivalent to a 3rd world country?
I can see the Essos influence in Dorne. Nice touch since Dorne was at one point connected.
The travel doesn't seem too far by boat. A trip across the Atlantic looks 10x longer.
I can see the Essos influence in Dorne. Nice touch since Dorne was at one point connected.
The travel doesn't seem too far by boat. A trip across the Atlantic looks 10x longer.
ComputerBlue
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I'm pretty sure it's fully explored. It's just that a lot of it is dry land without any near by bodies of water which make it less desirable to live in, especially in those times when people still used chamber pots and bowls of water to wash their hands instead of sinks and toilets.
If you've finished season 2, They mention the garden of bones outside of Qarth as an example. Every time Qarth shuts it's gates on a traveler the garden grows.
Hahaha NBA-GAF can relate
Every major Essos city we've seen has been far more advanced than anything in Westeros (the Citadel looks cool though). Qarth, Braavos, Mereen, etc. I mean the Bank of Braavos finances Westerosi Kings; they are like the World Bank. Ain't no third world. They do (did) have that slavery shit, but besides that they seem far more advanced.
Essos had Valyria, which was the greatest city ever. Lots of magic since that was where dragons came from.
I agree. Incredible actor!
I know we either joked about, or outright blamed Bran for a lot of the stuff happening now, getting himself tagged for example, but as I'm rewatching the series I'm imagining a young Bran making these mistakes and it seems much more reasonable that a young child would accidentally fuck up like that.
wesleyshark
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Season 7 will start later- they are delaying filming until the weather gets a bit more winterish. This will push the season back some.
So we might actually have to wait a year instead of 9 or so months? AND IT'LL BE LESS THAN 10 EPISODES...probably!?
Just bake me into a pie already.
DoomGyver
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Understandable.
However with many other shows ending of being cancelled (Penny Dreadful, Banshee, The Knick, Rectify this year, Hannibal) i'm running out of tv shows to watch.
Turns out i may have to watch Mr Robot season 2 after all.
So something I was just thinking about in regards to Jon being the rightful heir or not.
Jon taking the black immediately rendered any and all titles he might have had obsolete. Whether he knows that he is Rhaegar's heir or not is meaningless, due to the fact that the oath has no buts, ifs, or any other excuses attached to it. Meaning that even if he was legitimate, he loses that position the minute he swore that oath at the tree. Just because he somehow got out of the oath through a technicality shouldn't suddenly give him back his titles. Even if it did, I doubt it lets him leapfrog others who have now moved ahead of him as claimants. He goes to the back of the line.
Here's a good question in regards to that. If Jorah Mormont returns to Westeros and somehow gets pardoned, does he reclaim his old position of Lord of Bear Island and boot Lyanna Mormont from the position she currently occupies? If you believe the answer is no, then Jon is not ahead of Dany as heir whether his parents married or not. Taking the black moved Dany ahead of him. Right?
Jon taking the black immediately rendered any and all titles he might have had obsolete. Whether he knows that he is Rhaegar's heir or not is meaningless, due to the fact that the oath has no buts, ifs, or any other excuses attached to it. Meaning that even if he was legitimate, he loses that position the minute he swore that oath at the tree. Just because he somehow got out of the oath through a technicality shouldn't suddenly give him back his titles. Even if it did, I doubt it lets him leapfrog others who have now moved ahead of him as claimants. He goes to the back of the line.
Here's a good question in regards to that. If Jorah Mormont returns to Westeros and somehow gets pardoned, does he reclaim his old position of Lord of Bear Island and boot Lyanna Mormont from the position she currently occupies? If you believe the answer is no, then Jon is not ahead of Dany as heir whether his parents married or not. Taking the black moved Dany ahead of him. Right?
SamuelSupreme
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Jon's oath was fulfilled so he can reclaim any titles and lands that he is owed. From what I understand a full pardon would grant Jorah all of his titles as well.
Is that actually how that works though? So if he regains his titles, does he also regain the exact spot as an heir he occupied? So for example Maestor Aemon. He was the legit next king but gave up the spot to join the Night's Watch. Say he also somehow got out (let's say this was a few years after he went to the wall) of the oath through something similar to Jon, does he then become the king?
How is "works" is that as long as people who matter recognize your claim, your claim is good. There isn't some higher authority or higher power that follows a fixed set of rules. This is a violent and unpredictable world where might makes right. There is no democracy, no court of appeal, no supreme court, etc. A royal pardon is law not because of rules in place but because the king says so and the king's word is law. In the same way, Jon is King in the North not because he really "fulfilled" his oath in the Night's Watch, but because the North is in a shitty situation and he's the best option. The Stark name still means something, and a man willing to lead them to fight their enemies is still respected.
The oath of the Night's Watch was not written with the idea of people coming back from the dead. It's meant to be a permanent vow. Saying that he "fulfilled his oath" because of resurrection is honestly just a loophole, and one which only justifies it for himself on a personal level. But since he was Lord Commander, and since all his enemies on the Wall who would have challenged him for it have been hung, and since the land is in chaos and they need a leader to rally them, the majority will not be hung up by the fact that he took some vows or whatever.
The oath of the Night's Watch was not written with the idea of people coming back from the dead. It's meant to be a permanent vow. Saying that he "fulfilled his oath" because of resurrection is honestly just a loophole, and one which only justifies it for himself on a personal level. But since he was Lord Commander, and since all his enemies on the Wall who would have challenged him for it have been hung, and since the land is in chaos and they need a leader to rally them, the majority will not be hung up by the fact that he took some vows or whatever.
Yes I was going to say, this isn't Crusader Kings or something and the claims are not irrefutable game mechanics. Ultimately, it comes down to how well Jon can sell him being on the throne (and I wager he can sell it pretty well).
Yep. All the details are irrelevant. You need enough of a claim and enough of an army and enough allies to make it stick. The details of lines of succession matter during times of peace, and even then they're only as good as your ability to hold on to it, which often takes a different set of skills than the ones needed in times of war.
edit - it amazes me that this far into the show people still try to pick this stuff apart, when the whole point of the second half of season one was that the "rules" really don't matter.
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