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[Heshinsi]

How is "works" is that as long as people who matter recognize your claim, your claim is good. There isn't some higher authority or higher power that follows a fixed set of rules. This is a violent and unpredictable world where might makes right. There is no democracy, no court of appeal, no supreme court, etc. A royal pardon is law not because of rules in place but because the king says so and the king's word is law. In the same way, Jon is King in the North not because he really "fulfilled" his oath in the Night's Watch, but because the North is in a shitty situation and he's the best option. The Stark name still means something, and a man willing to lead them to fight their enemies is still respected.

The oath of the Night's Watch was not written with the idea of people coming back from the dead. It's meant to be a permanent vow. Saying that he "fulfilled his oath" because of resurrection is honestly just a loophole, and one which only justifies it for himself on a personal level. But since he was Lord Commander, and since all his enemies on the Wall who would have challenged him for it have been hung, and since the land is in chaos and they need a leader to rally them, the majority will not be hung up by the fact that he took some vows or whatever.

Thanks for the explanation Duckroll.

Yep. All the details are irrelevant. You need enough of a claim and enough of an army and enough allies to make it stick. The details of lines of succession matter during times of peace, and even then they're only as good as your ability to hold on to it, which often takes a different set of skills than the ones needed in times of war.

edit - it amazes me that this far into the show people still try to pick this stuff apart, when the whole point of the second half of season one was that the "rules" really don't matter.

I only brought this up due to the near constant, "Jon is the legitimate heir" proclamation I'm seeing everywhere. I just wanted to know if that is actually a legit thing. I understand that this season tossed all of the legitimacy claims out the window. Dorne shouldn't be in the hands of Ellara, but it is. The North shouldn't have declared Jon as the King in The North, but rather bestowed Sansa with the title of Queen in the North. So forth and so on.

 

[duckroll]

Line of succession only means something to Ned Stark and Stannis Baratheon, and they're both dead.

What is dead may never die!

 

[Brashnir]

What is dead may never die!

Greyjoys are White Walker sympathizers confirmed.

 

[ComputerBlue]

I hope Bran has to do a bit of convincing before people believe the things he starts saying. I'd be pretty disappointed if he told Jon he was a Targ and he and everyone else just accepted it.

On another note..forgot about this creepy ass...

 

[Einchy]

From Reddit.

GRRM doesn't call Ned Jon's father. GRRM never slips.

 

[PatjuhR]

wow

 

[SolVanderlyn]

I FINALLY caught up with this series and can enter this thread.

I hope we see young Robert and Rhaegar next season. I'm really glad Randyll Tarly finally showed up in the show. I hope Sam does something awesome with the sword he stole.

 

[Zousi]

I hope Sam does something awesome with the sword he stole.

He will probably use it as a letter opener. I really can't think of any other uses for Sam.

 

[Venture]

I FINALLY caught up with this series and can enter this thread.

I hope we see young Robert and Rhaegar next season. I'm really glad Randyll Tarly finally showed up in the show. I hope Sam does something awesome with the sword he stole.

The show makes a huge time leap in season 8 and Sam Jr. wields his father's Valyrian steel sword, leading the forces of the living to victory over the undead. You heard it here first.

 

[Grinchy]

I actually read that season 7 starts after Dany has taken the 7 kingdoms and the whitewalkers have been destroyed. The last 2 seasons are just everyone getting along and having fun.

 

[axb2013]

I hated how they changed her character into a bad guy. Yeah sure, she testified against Tyrion, but it was either that or death! Bronn got paid off. Podrick had to gtfo. Shae deserved better than a chokeout by Tyrion.

Disagree. Her testimony appeared to be completely free will. Many claim she truly loved Tyrion yet forget that she was sleeping with Tywin after the trial and called both "my lion". Tyrion couldn't have known that she was sleeping with his father so the "lover's revenge" angle doesn't work out either.


In the finale, Lady Mormont says "He is my king, from this day until his last day". In the "making of" video, her line is different, changed to "He is my king, from this day until my last day"

Right around 2:25: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=983QM_RQ8YM

 

[Alpende]

I actually read that season 7 starts after Dany has taken the 7 kingdoms and the whitewalkers have been destroyed. The last 2 seasons are just everyone getting along and having fun.

No reason for winter to delay the premiere then!

 

[Ovid]

I actually read that season 7 starts after Dany has taken the 7 kingdoms and the whitewalkers have been destroyed. The last 2 seasons are just everyone getting along and having fun.

So pretty much like the intro to "The Broken Man" episode?

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

Final scene prediction:

Old Sam, played by GRRM, adds the finishing touches to his writing and puts his pen down.

He closes the book and walks confidently out of the room.

"Gilly?! I've got it! Gilly?"

Was this the tale of the entire series in book form as told by Sam? No. He had only just finished his readings and notes on how to stop the whitewalkers. But by this time, his loved ones were all gone.

The end.

 

[Leonsito]

Today is July 7th, San Fermín in Spain:

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Yes, he forced young Hodor's mind to see his death and seeing that + his mind traveling through time caused his brain to go splat.

 

[Volimar]

Stark Snark

 

[Einchy]

Ramsay was right about Sansa...

 

[sangreal]

http://www.bellmedia.ca/pr/press/winter-is-coming/

The north really is different. GoT is coming to Candian network TV unedited -- other than commercial breaks. In an episode-a-day marathon format no less

 

[SolVanderlyn]

When you're running late for the trials

 

[Volimar]

http://www.bellmedia.ca/pr/press/winter-is-coming/

The north really is different. GoT is coming to Candian network TV unedited -- other than commercial breaks. In an episode-a-day marathon format no less

Is there much nudity on Canadian network television?

 

[ComputerBlue]

Is there much nudity on Canadian network television?

After 9pm anything goes, nudity, swearing. Daytime everything is censored.

Some channels choose to edit stuff out regardless of time but none are as bad as TBS levels of editing and censorship though.

I remember in the 90's before internet, Friday nights on CityTV they would have softcore porn called Baby Blue.

 

[Sober]

Red Shoe Diaries man, Red Shoe Diaries.

 

[Heshinsi]

Stark Snark

The fix is in. Poor Jon has no idea what treachery is coming his way.

#DarthSansa
#Apprentice
#TrueQueenOfTheNorth
#BearIslandGirlHypedAwayHerBirthRight

 

[Volimar]

The fix is in. Poor Jon has no idea what treachery is coming his way.

#DarthSansa
#Apprentice
#TrueQueenOfTheNorth

#mophie

 

[Nameless]

Thrones GAF knows no Queens but the Queens in the North who's name is...

 

[Heshinsi]

Thrones GAF knows no Queens but the Queens in the North who's name is...

We finally agree on something

 

[dragonbane]

Flawless shop

 

[Dai101]

The fuck is a Mophie.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Tormund on the iron throne... I'd pay to see that.

He'd do better than Robert with a good council of advisors.

I actually think that he might be one of the best candidates for the job lol

 

[Shy]

The fuck is a Mophie.

It's the final form of Maisie and Sophie when they've done their fusion dance. I think.

 

[DeathByBacklog]

Today is July 7th, San Fermín in Spain:

*google image search*

boobz.

 

[Crossing Eden]

The fuck is a Mophie.

I assume it's the name of the Massie+Sophie friendship. They're super close since they were basically inseparable during a large part of the GoT filming process.

 

[Nameless]

We finally agree on something

The fuck is a Mophie.

 

[Nameless]

I assume it's the name of the Massie+Sophie friendship. They're super close since they were basically inseparable during a large part of the GoT filming process.

It's insane that's it's been a real world half decade since they shared a scene.

 

[Crossing Eden]

It's insane that's it's been a real world half decade since they shared a scene.

I will probably be crying buckets once Jon sees Arya again.

Arya and Sansa too. Not ready.

 

[univariate]

sophie turner is so fine. a true northern beauty.

 

[Croyles]

I will probably be crying buckets once Jon sees Arya again.

Arya and Sansa too. Not ready.

I wonder if Arya will be too far gone into psycho mode by then...

 

[MrPing1000]

I will probably be crying buckets once Jon sees Arya again.

Arya and Sansa too. Not ready.

You know how when you get ressed you lose a part of yourself?

What if Jon can't remember who Arya is.

 

[ComputerBlue]

I wonder if Arya will be too far gone into psycho mode by then...

You know how when you get ressed you lose a part of yourself?

What if Jon can't remember who Arya is.

lol.

 

[Nameless]

Jon hasn't really changed much. Maybe he's a liiiitle bit more hot headed.

 

[Heshinsi]

Jon hasn't really changed much. Maybe he's a liiiitle bit more hot headed.

When has he not been a hot head though? This is the same Jon who ran off when his fake dad got himself captured.

 

[univariate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syYD3WVuszU

 

[Einchy]

Wonder if we'll ever know what this meant.

 

[Republic of Ezo]

Wonder if we'll ever know what this meant.

Foreseeing his own death. The Children blew him up with their fire bombs after he got stabbed (hence, he's on fire).

 

[Einchy]

Foreseeing his own death. The Children blew him up with their fire bombs after he got stabbed (hence, he's on fire).

I meant more how he was able to see that, no else has had that power, not even Three Eyed Raven.

 

[axb2013]

How feasible is it for Salladhor Saan to get a chance and fulfill his promise of fucking Cersei in the next season? Daenerys has her fleet on the way, logic dictates that Cersei will seek to ally with Euron but in a show full of foreshadowing events, Euron seeking out the famous pirate could fit the agenda, to me it just seems like something they could revisit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW1E9tWcN5k

 

[ComputerBlue]

I was pretty much under the assumption that LF knew about Ramsay and had a feeling that Sansa would get treated horribly, but I completely forgot about this scene and after re-watching it, I questioned it. and Then I read this interview.

Entertainment Weekly: So what excites you most about season 6?

Aidan Gillen: For me, this time out, there’s a level of atonement in relation to Sansa and my misjudgment of Ramsay Bolton. A lot of what I’m up to is atonement and really trying to align myself the right people – though, I guess, I’m always doing that! I left Sansa married to a psychopath. It’s probably the one time we’ve seen Littlefinger slip up. He really didn’t know about him. He should have.

But thinking about it, Ramsay was no one until very recently, just known as Roose Boltons bastard who to the viewer pretty much did all his atrocities behind closed doors. Outside from sending letters to the Greyjoys, who else might have known how he truly acted? Because he always seemed to present himself very differently than he actually was, at first anyway. Also, I think Littlefinger realized when he first meets Ramsay that he made a mistake in making an alliance with the Bolton's. Because LF needs to be in control, but in the first clip I posted, Roose reads the raven that came for LF, and wants to read the one he sends back to Cersei. Not something LF wants to deal with, I'm sure.

It was definitely Littlefingers fault for not doing his homework, but when watching Sansa confront him about it from S6 I believe him, though I didn't at first, mainly because I was more heavily focused on the end of their conversation when he mentioned Jon being her half brother.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

. Sorry
Why cant I post spoilertags anymore?

 

[Volimar]

I was pretty much under the assumption that LF knew about Ramsay and had a feeling that Sansa would get treated horribly, but I completely forgot about this scene and after re-watching it, I questioned it. and Then I read this interview.



But thinking about it, Ramsay was no one until very recently, just known as Roose Boltons bastard who to the viewer pretty much did all his atrocities behind closed doors. Outside from sending letters to the Greyjoys, who else might have known how he truly acted? Because he always seemed to present himself very differently than he actually was, at first anyway. Also, I think Littlefinger realized when he first meets Ramsay that he made a mistake in making an alliance with the Bolton's. Because LF needs to be in control, but in the first clip I posted, Roose reads the raven that came for LF, and wants to read the one he sends back to Cersei. Not something LF wants to deal with, I'm sure.

It was definitely Littlefingers fault for not doing his homework, but when watching Sansa confront him about it from S6 I believe him, though I didn't at first, mainly because I was more heavily focused on the end of their conversation when he mentioned Jon being her half brother.

The showrunners, in the inside the episode bit that airs after every episode, also said that Littlefinger didn't know about Ramsay's tendencies.