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[GameBlog Rumor] - Developers disclosing problems with Xbox One drivers [Updated]
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Well no one is saying 1080/60 or bust, they're saying if both versions are running at 720/30 with the same IQ something has gone wrong. Especially if this is only the case for some multiplatform titles, where others show the PS4's superiority, there would be no excuse of not being able to use the additional power due to coding difficulties because as well as being the stronger machine, it also appears to be the easiest to develop on.
On the topic of Driveclub, it's a complex situation, it's trying to get dynamic lighting and much more detailed courses, the combination of which has never been done before. But the topic is going to get even crazier if we continue to talk about driveclub in here.
Errm all the sony first party games are 1080p, except the Order, which is still 1920 pixels wide and would get the same 1080p stamp as blu rays get. So the discussion about lower resolution games is perfectly valid.
ThatChairMan
Member
Don't first-party games already look better than third-party multiplatform games?
IMO the best looking games of this gen are Sony 1st party games, followed by MS first party followed by multiplats, the 360 has a stronger GPU and the PS3 is forced to use the complex Cell architecture to try and make up for this, despite that, i still think the PS3 exclusives are the best looking games of the gen.
So now imagine that these talented first parties are now on the console with comfortably the most powerful GPU which is easier to develop for, I think the gap will be wider this gen.
H_Prestige
Banned
Why don't they gimp PC ports to match consoles then? Why didn't they gimp 360 games to match ps3's subpar performance for all those years?
Your typical bro gamer doesn't give a shit about spec wars, let alone knows about it. If someone only has the X1, and COD/GTA/BF/etc. comes out for the X1, he will buy those games for the X1.
really ? I thought Xbox Original multiplatform games always was the superior version. Better framerate, graphics, etc
Crimson_Gold
Member
ThatChairMan
Member
True, but I meant more along the lines of if first-party is already outperforming third-party this gen, why would it become an issue if it happens next gen?
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I will avoid buying gimped games due to politics whenever possible. You know how it is as a gamer, soft bans are easier than hard bans when it comes to this type of thing. You want them to feel the pain a bit but you don't want to have to live like a puritan to get the point across.
PrivateWHudson
Member
Are they all 60fps also? If we start seein 1080/60 on all Sony first party and either 1080/30 or 720/60 on multiplats, then I'm sure fingers will start being pointed. But if Sony is putting out 1080/30 and a third party puts out 720/60 then I don't see how it can't be chalked up to anything but different priorities.
Well, at least we don't have to worry about 3rd party games like these heading over to either Xbox 360 or Xbox One:
BlazBlue: Chrono Phantasma
Dynasty Warriors 8: Xtreme Legends
Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster
Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN-
Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX
The Legend of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki
Lily Bergamo
Natural Doctrine
Tales of Symphonia Chronicles
Tales of Xillia 1 & 2
I'm sure that some of those games would be able to take advantage of PS3's & PS4's hardware as well.
60fps is completely irrelevant to compare cross game because it's a design decision. The point is if a multiplat comes out, and IQ/framerate is identical across both platforms, people are going to assume that the PS4 version was gimped. This will be especially true if other multiplats are out and shows a large disparity between the two consoles.
EightBitNate
Member
I might get Xbox One because my monitor is 1600 x 900.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
I think real answer is because no one cares. No reviews ever bothered to compare or comment on PC versions (not even DF did for the longest time). The other thing is that eventually it has to be assumed that if you have some high end graphics card and cpu, it will destroy consoles, but you pay for what you get, so it's a class of its own compared to cheap consoles.
I think as time went on, and publishers realized how many complaints (and potentially lost sales) there were about 'lazy' developers not targeting PS3 strengths, they actually started making more and more sure to reach as close parity as possible. How they achieved it, I can only speculate though.
heh, but if your on your monitor I assume your at your desk and your too close to kinect :'(
zerodayPopbot
Member
heh, pretty fucking scummy if true...
If we have 2 multiplatfor games, let's say fps A and fps B as follows:
fps A
1080/60 on PS4 900/60 on XB1
better IQ than fps b
bigger maps than fps b
fps B
900/60 on both consoles
exactly the same game on both PS4/XB1
We clearly know from fps a that the PS4 can do display this game at 1080/60 because it has already displayed a far more demanding game also from a third part developer at 1080/60.
Clearly fps b would have suffered from enforced parity, this shouldn't be a question of omg sub 1080, moneyhats, it should be judged on a game by game basis.
wat. Trazom ->ex chief redactor at Gamepad
Kamuirobotics ->very reliable, ubiquitous in the French press
RaHan -> Better than 90% of the "journalists" out there
I'm not a fan of this site, and they're very childish on certain issue, but they are reliable, this is a fact.
Andronicus
Banned
Jesus take the wheel
Miles Quaritch
Member
and have a banana daiquiri.
NobleGundam
Banned
Gaffers say the site is "reliable" but what if the timing to the Intel is old and the issue already resolved but unannounced or confirmed atm?
Plus the "political issues" part doesn't sound true at all. /my .02 cents
Plus the "political issues" part doesn't sound true at all. /my .02 cents
Trazom doesn't participate a lot anymore, Rahan left, Kamuirobotics has never been a part of Gameblog's redaction even if he wrote some test for them. They have never been trust worthy, and it is even worst right now. I don't want to go into all the details and all the unreliable information they gave, because the list is just last too long, but for example few years ago they announced before E3 2010 that they have exclusive information that Nintendo will show the Wii HD at E3, they said the PS Vita will only last a little bit more than one hour in game, and the list goes on and on.
RedRooster
Member
You still have human beings with varying levels of skill developing these games. It isn't just a bunch of switches people flick to turn up the res/fps until the console can't handle it.
In which case the more difficult to develop for console should suffer even more....
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I just read this. Not sure how much of it is true though.
I can't fathom why Driveclub gets a pass for doing something that is not exactly "new" or The Order for their "artistic choices" of running at sub-HD resolution but Ryse does not? Both Driveclub and Ryse are launch games and any performance hits are expected so why try to excuse Driveclub for anything but it is a launch game?
disastermouse
Banned
I've tried to google it, but I still can't figure out what IQ stands for as regards graphics? Can someone tell me what it stands for?
disastermouse
Banned
Open World driving game with multiple cars and more physics, dynamic lighting, etc vs linear quick-timey, planned-for-360-and Kinect pile of hurt.
Chance Hale
Member
As far as I can tell the writer was just saying they might have parity as to not insult Microsoft but there's no real sign that will happen. Completely hypothetical, certainly not something that happened this generation.
And Drive Club isn't open world and Ryse is easily one of the more impressive titles for either system visually, recent resolution reveal aside. Although there is a difference between what the Order will do (black bars I assume) as compared to Ryse which will be upscaled up and have the resolution difference more noticeable in the IQ.
And Drive Club isn't open world and Ryse is easily one of the more impressive titles for either system visually, recent resolution reveal aside. Although there is a difference between what the Order will do (black bars I assume) as compared to Ryse which will be upscaled up and have the resolution difference more noticeable in the IQ.
Night Angel
Member
Not a tech guy, but my guess is image quality.
disastermouse
Banned
Yep, I feel dumb now. Thanks, though!
Steam Machine is exactly what I am planning to buy in place of an Xbox One, provided the pricing is reasonable. I loved the Xbox and the 360, but Microsoft has just lost me with this bloated all-in-one bullshit that comes at the expense of a stronger focus on the gaming hardware side of things. I did not ask for or want any of that. I just wanted them to design a great gaming system first and foremost, as that is why I bought their previous two consoles.
disastermouse
Banned
I wonder if Steam Box will bring more update-able hardware to the console space? Make the boxes modular so I can update them, but not the same 'you're on your own, buddy' world of PC. Maybe Steam-Verified updates where everything is KNOWN to work with everything else.
DC and Ryse arnt really comparable(open world v linear) and we dont know enough about the Order.
You REALLY expect the 95% of ppl who don't watch gaming news to read about specs?
maquiladora
Member
Jeff Gertsmann said a while back that the nerfing of one version to not outshine the other has already happened in the current generation, but he wouldn't go into any detail.
That would be amazing and I kind of think that is the direction they may be going in. Truly bridging the gap between consoles and PC... even with their controller.
elementalsin
Member
While I don't argue the overall logic behind this.... this doesn't 'clearly' state anything. The developer could just as easily chose to do console parity instead of developing 2 'separate' versions... Which would be cheaper development cost.
I personally think if anything, we're going to see 'slightly better this and that' in a lot of multi titles. But I really don't buy into the idea of MS forcing/moneyhatting every single dev that doesn't push the ps4's ability. And I also think regardless of this, any time we have a game that isn't better on the ps4, MS is going to be called out as having forced it whether they did or not.
I meant they are both launch games so devs are still figuring out the hardware and hence if Ryse gets called out for graphics, there is no reason to excuse Driveclub (ref to post that I replied).
Driveclub sacrifices something to add actually something meaningful to the gameplay, i.e. day AND night time racing.
What does ryse have to gain with a res drop and lower LOD besides from prettier graphics?
Can't say much about The Order though, I think it's silly what they're doing. At least IQ won't be bad.
What this thread reminds me of
I dont get it ...
disastermouse
Banned
Also, Driveclub looks better every time it's shown. Every time I see Ryse, I can't quite tell just what the hell it's trying to be.