CassidyIzABeast
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Bravo.
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[GameBlog Rumor] - Developers disclosing problems with Xbox One drivers [Updated]
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Bravo.
Oh this is good. Is this serious?
SenjutsuSage
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Developers think that the a big cause for the Xbox One not hitting 1080p 60 is a driver issue, not the result of the hardware itself? Call me an eternal optimist, but this is the most positive sounding negative xbox one news I've heard. 
Driver issues will hopefully get sorted out.in due time.
Driver issues will hopefully get sorted out.in due time.
Krusenstern
Banned
Man, this is interesting.
Cross posting from another thread:
I still don't buy that "political issues" would cause them to downgrade the PS4 version. That would be a purposeful slight against Sony, as opposed to it just showing the natural deficiencies of the XBO hardware. Seems like that sound cause more of a political struggle than anything else. I wouldn't expect entirely new shaders to be written for the PS4 version but I could see things like resolution, AA changes, etc happening. Sony would get massively pissed in this case.
I still don't buy that "political issues" would cause them to downgrade the PS4 version. That would be a purposeful slight against Sony, as opposed to it just showing the natural deficiencies of the XBO hardware. Seems like that sound cause more of a political struggle than anything else. I wouldn't expect entirely new shaders to be written for the PS4 version but I could see things like resolution, AA changes, etc happening. Sony would get massively pissed in this case.
miDnIghtEr20C
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Well I heard that. That's how I feel when Albert talks here and constantly tells people he's not PR. I like Yosp as well.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Oh okay, nvm then, I just read the rest of the OP. Seems they're full of it, or just piggybacking the Edge article? Oh well, moving on.
Codeblew
Member
Yeah, why wouldn't it be? If a dev is trying to take advantage of PS4 hardware to its fullest, which AAA games should, then GPU utilization should be pretty damn high.
I am not saying they can. That wasn't the original question. The original question is how Sony could tell if a 3rd party game was potentially forced into parity between the consoles.
Chobel
Member
Even if this is true, Sony can't force devs to use at least some minimum percentage from PS4 hardware.
spawnsniper
Member
Of course if parity happens (which i think will, to an extent) it really wouldnt matter. Fact is, that Sony's main parties will have the upper hand and have a huge gap between graphics in terms of MS first party studios. Im glad Sony has more, and imo, better first party studios.
As opposed to pissing off Sony and PS4 owners who bought a more powerful system? I'm not sure why people think Microsoft and Xbone owners are the only ones capable of being upset by multiplayform differences. If a game is intentionally gimped on PS4 in an attempt to coddle those poor Xbox One owners, there's no fucking way I'm going to buy it and support such a shitty practice.
The PS3/360 situation was a lot different by the way. It had more to do with devs struggling to get to grips with the PS3 hardware. Taking advantage of PS3's strengths was generally reserved for the first party studios. It didn't make financial sense to rebuild the game engine from the ground up to take full advantage of the system the way games like GT5 and The Last of Us do. That's not the case this time.
What would be crazy is if someone at Sony or a Sony fan maniac is propagating this to keep MS in the doghouse. Interesting times indeed
SwiftDeath
Member
Could be but to be fair any article with anonymous sources in the gaming industry seems to be capable of that
Think maybe we should have a master list somewhere of each journalist sites greatest blunder
criesofthepast
Member
Devs don't wanna piss off Microsoft but piss off Sony instead? Makes no sense. I don't buy it.
HamsterPackage
Member
If the quality of cross platform is the same that will be a shame....but at least the first party games for ps4 will be boss...
RedRooster
Member
I don't get how this would piss off Sony? Its the dev/pub whose reputation is on the line and they're the ones who end up being mocked for putting out a crappy version on a superior console. Sony is just allowing them to put their game on their platform, there's hundreds of games, Sony shouldn't have the time to scrutinize everything.
Sony should only be worried about their 1st party games, as long as those are blowing everything away they shouldn't need to be pissed at anyone.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Yes, Yes/No, real specs/transistors.
TheJollyCorner
Member
somebody get this poor guy a warm glass of milk!
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
So regardless of whether or not this ends up true, no one should under any conditions post an article written in a language they don't understand, a secondary source citing that article unless they are sure of the translation's veracity, or google translated anything
SwiftDeath
Member
New consoles will be coming out in November
There may or may not be some games available to play on them
Also they likely run on electricity although I haven't seen that officially confirmed either
I apologize
It was my fault as I've stated
iJudged
Banned
Lmaoooooo
metalmachine
Member
This shouldn't be a surprise considering the BS they spewed after their DRM reversal but people have seemed to forget. Therefore why should this come as a surprise? Is it far fetched to think they have been covering up and miss leading the product they are selling side day one?
Summary:
Prospective PS4 owners know they are buying a console with more power than the Xbox One. Any of MS custom silicon in the xbox one is dismissed as strictly for Kinect or dismissed as a lack of secret sauce to mitigate any of the power difference. Because of this power difference, PS4 multiplats must show graphical advantages or the game should be boycotted due to moneyhattin/lazydevs/misguideddevs/etc. However, that being said, launch titles cannot be used as a basis to compare hardware because they are cross gen, so although games may be boycotted, its still not indicative of future performance parity among multiplats.
Prospective PS4 owners know they are buying a console with more power than the Xbox One. Any of MS custom silicon in the xbox one is dismissed as strictly for Kinect or dismissed as a lack of secret sauce to mitigate any of the power difference. Because of this power difference, PS4 multiplats must show graphical advantages or the game should be boycotted due to moneyhattin/lazydevs/misguideddevs/etc. However, that being said, launch titles cannot be used as a basis to compare hardware because they are cross gen, so although games may be boycotted, its still not indicative of future performance parity among multiplats.
Thank god for first party studios.
Sure multiplats will be identical, but first party is going to embarrass them. As usual.
SwiftDeath
Member
Apparently it's all I'm good for even when I don't mean to
There is a quote button next to the username in every post by the way
Makes it easier for people you're quoting to figure it out
RedRooster
Member
Sounds like somebody needs to create a flowchart.
Proelite
Member
Does that mean that if a cross-platform game has parity in the future, either the devs / MS have enforced that parity?
Gaf I think we have a replacement for "lazy devs" terminology.
To avoid that connotation developers should purposely make their Xbox One ports look worse than their PS4 ports.
Gaf I think we have a replacement for "lazy devs" terminology.
To avoid that connotation developers should purposely make their Xbox One ports look worse than their PS4 ports.
iJudged
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Oh thanks
Exactly. They are not always wrong, obviously, but they can't be trusted because the only thing that matter to them is how many click they get on their news, they really don't care about the quality of their information.
SwiftDeath
Member
Would go nicely with the kinect usage chart if we get that at some point
I think Launch is going to be a very confusing time
CassidyIzABeast
Member
or buy exclusively used as has also been suggested.
I don't think anyone would care if they were at least 1080p/30fps on both systems but a lot of these make it sound like they'd be forcing sub-1080 on PS4 for no other reason than to hit parity between the versions. I still think this is all BS but that reality is far more frustrating.
Not buying it. It would be too big of a shitstorm for straight parity and Devs will NEVER take full advantage of X1 or PS4 for multiplats so don't expect the PS4 to take a huge jump over the X1. Expect more from both systems via exclusives and that is where we will see the largest gap.
I don't buy games frequently enough or at such a high volume for this to be an issue. I'll just keep an eye out for DF breakdowns on games I care about and if it turns out to be an issue I'll just skip it and enjoy other games or my backlog.
PrivateWHudson
Member
Would there be any way to know if parity was being forced? Xbox could always just say "see, we told you the performance of the One was awesome". Secret sauce, ect. Also, I'm not a racing fan so I haven't followed much, but wasn't/isn't Sony struggling to hit 1080p x 60fps for Drive Club? How could anyone call out a third party for struggling with the same issues?
I can't see it happening because 1st party will completely make Devs look crap on PS4...it'll end up obvious.
Not only that but this gen the the PS4 will likely outsell XBO so does it really matter if the more popular machine has the better version? With any luck it'll make the user base gap bigger and mean Devs can concentrate on making PS4 games as good as they deserve to be...what with Sony making a machine based on their requests.
Hell, Devs should do even more for PS4 due to that alone.
Not only that but this gen the the PS4 will likely outsell XBO so does it really matter if the more popular machine has the better version? With any luck it'll make the user base gap bigger and mean Devs can concentrate on making PS4 games as good as they deserve to be...what with Sony making a machine based on their requests.
Hell, Devs should do even more for PS4 due to that alone.
Punkster_NY
Member
^^^This.
When 1st party PS4 are hitting their stride it will make 3rd party Devs look inept.
Exactly. Both PS4 and XB1 games are struggling to hit 1080/60. Id ONLY question this if Sony's 1st party games were all 1080/60 and for some reason the 3rd parties were lesser. They're accusing MS of paying off these pubs to make games look shitty.
HEY GUYS. If you believe this, go check out Misterx Journal! You're starting to sound just like him.