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GameInformer: Avowed is the same length as Outer Worlds (13- 40 hours)
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
So a 13-hour RPG after almost 7 years of development? Wow.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
So a 13-hour RPG after almost 7 years of development? Wow.
I don’t mind a long dev time for a shorter, fun game. Hell, Crow Country just released and that was in development for 5+ years and can be beaten in about 5 hours and repeated playthrough can take less than 20 min.
The issue with Outer Worlds and my biggest fear of Avowed: writing. Outer Worlds was horribly written with the most heavy handed slacktivist nonsense. Corpos bad, white men bad, diverse women good.
CherryFalls
Banned
It's you I'm afraid who has no idea what they are talking about.
It's been well established now that a rotating library is essential to a subscription service, the xbox team understand this and subscriber behaviour reflect this.
TransTrender
Gold Member
This is fine.
Aside from the super long and expensive dev time.
Aside from the super long and expensive dev time.
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clarky
Gold Member
How has this been in development 7 years?So a 13-hour RPG after almost 7 years of development? Wow.
I thought it was announced in 2020?
Edit: I see, they rebooted dev in 2020 along with the announcement trailer.
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Dazraell
Member
It's closer to 6 years as the development apparently started in 2018, just after wrapping up Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire. But to be fair, they were also working on Pillars of Eternity II dlcs, The Outer Worlds, The Outer Worlds dlcs, Grounded, Pentiment and are also working on The Outer Worlds 2 and all of this in a 200+ people studio. Not to mention that Avowed apparently gone through several revisionsSo a 13-hour RPG after almost 7 years of development? Wow.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Sounds wonderful! Give ot to me
VanCityGamer
Member
I remember being impressed with The Outer Worlds for the first hour or two and then thinking it went downhill. Can’t recall what caused it to lose its enjoyment so quickly.
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clarky
Gold Member
No shit New Vegas was 15 years ago, id be more surprised if anyone was still there.
Pentiment was written well so there is hope.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That would be fantastic then. An RPG that can be mainlined in 13~14 hours or up to 30 or more if the player engages in the side content doesn't sound too bad. Not every RPG can, or needs to be, 50+ hours.
Beating SMT Vengeance in 26~ hours was a pleasant surprise.
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vaibhavpisal
Member
I don’t think you can wrap up Outer Worlds in 13 hrs playing normally.
With Obsidian, side quests and main quests intertwine. The more major side quests you do in Outer Worlds, the more factions come and help you in the end.
With Obsidian, side quests and main quests intertwine. The more major side quests you do in Outer Worlds, the more factions come and help you in the end.
Fess
Member
Nope they just want you to stay subscribing, they want to erase the ”I just get it for 1 cheap month and then I’m out” behaviour.It's you I'm afraid who has no idea what they are talking about.
It's been well established now that a rotating library is essential to a subscription service, the xbox team understand this and subscriber behaviour reflect this.
You think they would even consider having COD or Minecraft or Diablo or Starfield or any Bethesda RPG or Forza Horizon or Cities Skylines or MS Flight Sim etc on Gamepass if they thought it was a problem that people spent more than 13-40 hours playing the same game?
Those are known time sinkers made to just keep you playing and playing for 100s of hours.
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
This is all fine and dandy until you remember that the game was unveiled 4 years ago and the Avowed development started 6 years ago. For a AA-title barebones aRPG with less than stellar production values. This is clearly internal reboot number 3 that we’re seeing and it’s very rarely ends well in this industry.
Gamepass or not, MS surely needs to fix its development pipeline.
Gamepass or not, MS surely needs to fix its development pipeline.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Storytelling, character writing, villains, itemization, enemy variety, they all went to shit pretty quickly.
Starbuck2907
Member
I always do all the side quests first so I can role through the campaign like a badass. I get the max hours out of every rpg.
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Awesome. I'd rather finish a game wanting more instead of hate playing for days to get to the end.
SmurfMustard
Member
I don't need every RPG to be a 100hrs grindfest. To me this news is a plus.
And around 30+hrs for everything isn't even that short.
And around 30+hrs for everything isn't even that short.
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Fess
Member
I enjoyed the story telling, character writing, conversations, data logs and general humour. But the combat was not exciting and the maps were too small without real exploration and side content.
I still liked the game for what it was but I finished it and never returned to it, I only saw one ending.
Compare this to Bethesda’s RPGs which I rarely finish but also rarely stop playing, there is so much to do and so much to see, I just get lost in the world and I really like that.
Don’t know if it’s different design philisophies or budget, maybe both.
SportsFan581
Member
A 25~ hour RPG is a-ok by me.
The fuck?
The article is directly comparing it with their last full priced retail RPG release.
Where on earth are you pulling out all that drivel from?
Absolutely. It's obviously the size of game that this studio feels comfortable with at the moment.
Mister Wolf
Member
That's fine with me.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Man, I can’t believe people are still posting that nonsense about MS wanting to churn out short games because of GamePass. These people have never once checked the GamePass library.
Anyway, that play time is fine for me and I am one of the dozens who loved Outer Worlds.
Anyway, that play time is fine for me and I am one of the dozens who loved Outer Worlds.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
??? Yes. Every first party release is Day One Game Pass.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Pillars of Eternity was a ~35-100 hour game. I was expecting that because that was what they were talking about the game being. Not some casual shitter you can knock out in a rainy weekend.
I think ultimately GP will be a lot of service games all for one fee. MS would rather you (stupidly) sub to GP and just play AOE2 every night. These short games don't do them any favors.
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Raven117
Member
amigastar
Member
Yes please, i'm a big fan of Pillars of Eternity. But for now I'm happy there will be another game in the PoE Universe.
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
I heard their next game will be between 6 - 280 hours long. Day 1.
tomato shrub
Member
Good. Stop bloating your RPGs and action adventures up to 60-100 hours, they are never better for it. Not even something like Elden Ring.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Seems like a range.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They said the game is based in the PoE universe, not that it's going to be a game like that.
I'm just laughing at the comments calling THIS a 'short' game. Who the fuck plays an RPG like this and just plays the main narrative without engaging in all the factions / side content?
You can probably rush through Skyrim's main narrative alone in 6~7 hours if you ignore everything else and just go from main objective to main objective too .. but who does that?
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Come On Tars
Member
This is gonna be another merciful 7/10 game
Arachnid
Member
Sounds good. Less bloat in an RPG is always welcome. They don't all need to be 100 hours and very few people can pull off making those 100 hour games like Persona 5, Cyberpunk, Balders Gate, or Witcher engaging the whole time.
Obsidian needs to win me back after The Outer Worlds, and this time they have funding. This shit better be good.
Obsidian needs to win me back after The Outer Worlds, and this time they have funding. This shit better be good.
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Dr. Claus
Banned
I dunno. Outer Worlds was a solid 3/10.
Shut0wen
Banned
Literally impossible that this has been in development for 7 years, its being made on unreal engine 5, developers haven't even had the kits 4 years, also obsidian has released grounded and pentitment within that time as well as the outter worlds 2So a 13-hour RPG after almost 7 years of development? Wow.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Baldurs Gate 3 is considered the best game of all time and look how many gamers didn't even finish act 1...
balls of snow
Member
Good enough. I can start Pillars of Eternity 2 after done with Avowed. Devs said one of the party member in Pillars 2 plays an important role in Avowed.
clarky
Gold Member
Its not impossible. It started dev in early 2018 then was rebooted in 2020 when they did the announce trailer. So while this version has been in dev for around 4 years he is technically correct.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
that's another can of worms.
The length discussion is meaningless. the game has to be great AND it should be marketed accordingly.
Come On Tars
Member
Def but people are nice to obsidian
Dr. Claus
Banned
Its just console warring.
coffinbirth
Member
It's you I'm afraid who has no idea what they are talking about.
It's been well established now that a rotating library is essential to a subscription service, the xbox team understand this and subscriber behaviour reflect this.
You do realize only like 10-20% of gamers actually finish ANY game, of ANY length, on ANY service...right? And that Microsoft published games stay in Game Pass in perpetuity, right?
It doesn't take a month to beat a 60 hour game, and there's over 400 goddamned games on that service.
Where does your logic apply when they are directly comparing this game to The Outer Worlds...which was on all platforms, and not created under the Game Pass Shrink Ray you seem to assume exists?
Do you think they're telling Bethesda to make sure The Elder Scrolls VI is bite-sized fun?
Better not drop hundreds of more hours of content for your half dozen games you have going, we have a rotation to think about!
You seriously think this?
Do you realize that Microsoft wants you to play CoD, Or Fallout 76. or Sea of Thieves, or Minecraft or Skyrim or fucking Blast Corps. on Game Pass, every day until you die? Doesn't matter which one. Irrelevant as long as you're paying.
