Bojji
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Normal UE5 stutter is in almost all UE5 games. On consoles as well. Shader stutter is gone in most new games.
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GeForce RTX 5090 is $1,999 5080 $999 5070 Ti $749 5070 $549 (Availability Starting Jan 30 for RTX 5090 and 5080)
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Normal UE5 stutter is in almost all UE5 games. On consoles as well. Shader stutter is gone in most new games.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Oh, now we’re at the typical "bu bu but what about stutters?!". There are traversal stutters on every system. Thankfully, they tend to be minimal during fights and boss battles.
Then why are you acting like they’re equal? "But I gotta get a motherboard+case+etc” and you’re also getting a system that’s far more powerful.
If you wanna brag about the Pro, the 5070 ain’t the GPU you want to pit it against.
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Zathalus
Member
The 5070 also has better RT. The RT units have double intersection test speed, and the SER feature is twice as fast as well. DLSS 4 is also upgraded with a newer model. Then we have the faster and smoother (in frame times) frame generation model, plus the ability for multiple frame generation. Reflex 2, mega geometry, RTX hair, RTX faces, etc… Nvidia releases a whole heap of ML powered technology with this newest generation.
Is the Pro a better speed upgrade over the base PS5 in terms of the 5070 over the 4070? Yes, in both RT and regular compute. Is it a better value upgrade? No, the Pro is a price hike of 75%, the 5070 is a price decrease of 10%. It gets even more lopsided if you compare the card that launched in 2020, the 3070.
The 5000 series is a bit meh when looking at direct gen on gen price/performance upgrades (if you ignore all the ML stuff), but the Pro is even worse.
I´m not braggin about the Pro. You and Boji are the ones in every Pro related thread talking down on the Pro. It´s a complete system for $700. They should have included the disk for that price.
Of course you are getting a more powerful system but it cost more. When a $700 pc is more powerful than the Pro then the Pro is overpriced or expensive.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Bojji, yes. Me, no.
Dude, I bought one day 1, so I don’t know what you’re trying to tell me. I don’t think any of those products are a good value compared to what we got in the past. The Pro is bad, so is the 5070, and the 5090 is disastrous. $2000 for this is a scam.
Also, disagree about the part where the Pro only becomes overpriced when a PC can be built for the same price. Consoles have always had MUCH better value than PC. That’s part of their appeal. An RX-6700-powered system would have cost you ~$900 in 2021. A PS5 DE was just $400. Similar performance at half the price. Twice the price of the Pro gets you a system with a 5070 Ti. Almost twice the performance. See the problem?
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Why are people spending half this thread talking about the PS5 Pro?
Go elsewhere with your weird platform warring nonsense.
Go elsewhere with your weird platform warring nonsense.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Not surprised to see the usual people seething and malding.
Can't wait for the Switch 2 to come with DLSS 4.
Can't wait for the Switch 2 to come with DLSS 4.
I think you're mixing up a bunch of things here. the "ML powered technology" are mostly improvements to software that span gens/cards and apply to both them and PS5 Pro with their software improvements without marketing terms. I'm talking merely in terms of the value difference between base PS5 vs Pro and 4070 vs 5070. On a base PS5 you don't have AI upscaling at all. So a PS5 to PS5 Pro upgrade gets you double the framerate at the same image quality in a lot of games. The RT of base PS5 to PS5 Pro is also significantly improved, x2-3. The 5070 gets you multiframegen and higher RT but the difference between it and 4070 is NOT as significant as base PS5 to PS5 Pro. This is for an entire system too so PS5 Pro price gets you 2TB, Wifi 7, and SoC CPU boost.
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Topher
Identifies as young
lol.....same bat signal used in PS5 Pro threads for PC warriors? Just change out the C for a S, I guess.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
If we're talking about latency, Digital Foundry did a test with RTX5080 on Cyberpunk 2077 and they said the difference is pretty negligible. And the test was made without any optimization update for their RTX5080 nor Cyberpunk 2077.
Hands-on with DLSS 4 on Nvidia's new GeForce RTX 5080
Digital Foundry has the first look at Nvidia's new DLSS 4, as tested on Cyberpunk 2077 RT Overdrive running on a GeForce RTX 5080.
www.eurogamer.net
In addition they have Nvidia Reflex (2) too
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Outside of the 4x Frame Gen stuff, how is the 5080 looking compared to the 4090 as far as performance goes?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Looks to be in a similar performance tier if Far Cry 6 and A Plague Tale are anything to go by.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
How are peoples still not understanding that you do not turn on frame gen with 30 fps native? You have the DLSS upscaler and reflex to think about. Upscaler FPS ARE rendered frames. Both combined also reduces latency a LOT compared to native.
Zathalus
Member
Double the framerate at the same image quality? You get close to the same image quality but never quite as good as native, even Final Fantasy 7 and TLOU has issues with temporal stability. You also get a bunch of games where the difference is much lower or even worse vs FSR2. Besides if you compare to the 3070 (which launched at the same time as the PS5) you get a similar jump in RT (just compare Black Myth benchmarks), over 60% faster rendering, 50% extra VRAM, and, of course, MFG vs no frame generation at all. All for a 10% jump in price. The Pro is a impressive upgrade, more so then the 4070 to 5070 of course, but that 75% boost to the price really knocks the price to performance argument down, which is what I was addressing. Naturally it is a bit silly to compare a console vs just the GPU, but I am talking about each products respective upgrade path, not a perfect 1:1 comparison between the two, hence the actual performance of the 5070 vs the Pro is not really even worth bringing up.
Schmendrick
Member
I currently expect it to lose quite decisively in real world benchmarks without FG.
No way the generational uplift in efficiency makes up for the ridiculous difference in sheer compute units. Outside of multi-frame-gen I wouldn`t even expect the 5080 to be able to decisively beat the 4080S.
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Buggy Loop
Gold Member
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Good! Want to keep my 4090 resale value up lol
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
tronied
Member
I'm sure this has been stated many times, but the value prospect for buying a 5090 is somewhat muted by the fact that it's only useful for games which will support frame generation and DLSS 4. There are still many games which either don't support FG or are even to fully utilise DLSS 3, so this is cutting the number down even further. Compared in regular games without FG, I'll be interested to see how much faster this card will be. The other thing is that because most of the push has been on AI and frame generation, other things where the higher end cards were being used for work such as blender / 3d mark rendering are left out in the cold. This is likely down to reaching a limit in what's possible with raw power on the die, so unless Nvidia actually pays attention to that specific use case in the future, it's going to be very small increments from here out and a purchase might only be warranted one every 3 generations (if that).
Since they have hit this ceiling, maybe their decision to remove SLI was shortsighted. Having the ability to hook up two or three 5080 / 5090's for rendering tasks I feel would be the way forward. No doubt Nvidia or another cloud provider will instead be quick to offer expensive cloud rendering options though.
Since they have hit this ceiling, maybe their decision to remove SLI was shortsighted. Having the ability to hook up two or three 5080 / 5090's for rendering tasks I feel would be the way forward. No doubt Nvidia or another cloud provider will instead be quick to offer expensive cloud rendering options though.
Yes?
Sure but the same could be said for any AI upscaling including DLSS which also has temporal artifacts. i think you're splitting hairs here. I'm not going to argue about how DLSS framegen introduces the worst artifacts or ghosting for example because it's not really relevant here. The AI upscaling works fine especially in games like TLOU which for some reason you mention.
Fair enough but you were talking about the 4070 and base PS5. It's naturally silly to even compare the base PS5 at launch to a gpu component to begin with since a base PS5 is a loss leader product whereas the 3070/4070 and likely midgen consoles are sold for profit. The 3070 on its own was $500. Just because the base PS5 price was amazing for the time (prior to massive inflation and hikes too) doesn't mean that the value add of the midgen is less by looking at that price delta against a GPU alone. Even then the Pro is mostly giving double the performance for the same image quality with added RT, i think the addition of AI upscaling technology is far more significant in terms of the differences and what you're getting for that price difference. That's not talking about the extra VRAM in Pro (due to the DDR4 OS RAM added), and the other overall software features like framegen vs no framegen that can still even come to Pro due to its significantly better TOPs performance.
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Zathalus
Member
So what exactly are you claiming here? The Pro is a good value upgrade despite the 75% price increase? While the 5070 is not despite having a price decrease? Because my standpoint that as upgrades paths for their intended audience (so a PS5 gamer wanting better visual fidelity, and a PC gamer wanting a new GPU), both are rather mediocre in terms of regular price to performance.
The 5070 "4090 performance" claim is mostly marketing horseshit based on enabling multiframegen to get higher fps. It's ridiculous that the 4090 is even prevented from enabling multiframegen. There is no reason for it considering it has higher TOPs performance all round.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No I'm saying somebody who bought a 4070 at $599 launch RRP and then went on to spend $549 on a 5070 at RRP would see a less significant jump in performance than somebody who bought a PS5 system for $499 at launch then a PS5 Pro for $699. The latter has 2 entire systems now too.
twilo99
Member
Lots of “Rip 4090” comments out there
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Anyone believing Nvidia's BS about 5070 actually matching 4090's performance is an idiot at this point.
asdasdasdbb
Member
That's why NV marketing is the GOAT
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Yea, they understand that there are many idiots out there and this sort of thing actually works on them.
delirium trigger
Member
I'd like to know if the 5070 is even as powerful as a 4080. Everyone bitched about the 40 series but the reality was the 4070 was as good as the 3080 and had 12 gb vram vs the 3070's 8. The next class up 4070 ti could hang with the 3090/ti.
If some of the rumors are true and the 5070 is just a little bit stronger than the 4070 ti, well that's kind of disappointing.
I'm more interested in dlss 4.
If some of the rumors are true and the 5070 is just a little bit stronger than the 4070 ti, well that's kind of disappointing.
I'm more interested in dlss 4.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
I sold my 4090 and have a PS5 Pro, the only way I'd buy a 5090 is if I can get the founders edition, if not I'll just wait until Witcher 4 releases to snag whichever is available.
OverHeat
« generous god »
I have both a ps5 and ps5 pro….
R6Rider
Gold Member
I love how whenever they get called out (which is very often now) they always ignore the posts.
The hypocrisy is palpable in topics like this.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
OC'ed RTX4090 (2925Hz) has 95TF FP32, so it should be 3x faster without FG. Even my 4080S at 2925Hz has 59.9TF FP32 and should be almost 2x times faster compared to RTX5070.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Honestly I’d love it if these silly PC vs Pro posts ceased entirely but folks gotta stop pretending it only happens one way.
OverHeat
« generous god »
I would not care if those « individuals « owned a top of the line pc…but most of the time they don’t fuck em
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Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Best Buy has the 5090-notification page up.
Unfortunately, they reduced the 2 years no interest down to just 1 year.
edit: I'm on notify.
Unfortunately, they reduced the 2 years no interest down to just 1 year.
edit: I'm on notify.
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OverHeat
« generous god »
Link?Best Buy has the 5090-notification page up.
Unfortunately, they reduced the 2 years no interest down to just 1 year.
edit: I'm on notify.
raduque
Member
All I really want is an affordable GPU with 12gb VRAM.
I'd absolutely get an Intel Arc B580 in the next couple weeks, but it really doesn't work well on 8th-gen Intel CPUs, and doubly so without ReBAR (I have a Xeon W2135 in a Lenovo P520 which doesn't support ReBAR).
Zathalus
Member
4090 vs 5070, king dethroned! Also confirms wukong is 29fps maxed out using 5090
I tested my 4090 in that exact area. 21fps. So 29 basically means a ~40% performance uplift. Not terrible, but not exactly that great either.
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
Does not stop you from shitting on console threads lol, that's the point.
Gamerfan81
Member
They're fighting the console wars on 2 fronts, the possible imminent reveal of the Switch 2 and now the new RTX cards. They're stretched kind of thin right now.
bender
What time is it?
Just take the C and S, put unt between them, and you have a universal descriptor for both camps.
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