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GeForce RTX 5090 is $1,999 5080 $999 5070 Ti $749 5070 $549 (Availability Starting Jan 30 for RTX 5090 and 5080)

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
You kind of knew this would happen, so I'm gauging the market and putting my graphics card for sale and people are ridiculous in their lowball offers not even understanding how these cars actually work.

Pretty much everybody is already confused about what the actual performance will be and somehow ignore the massive spec differences that honestly even in gaming won't magically invalidate what the 4090 can do. Can explain it till you're blue in the face but unfortunately it's created a bit of confusion with the consumer and I find that pretty annoying.

There's nothing that will make up the disparity in so many of the specs on top of the 192 bit bus and half the memory that the 5070 has with the 4090
 

skneogaf

Member



Oof! Wake me up when we get to the 6090. 28fps at native 4K isn’t the jump I expect for a $2000 GPU. 5090 will be amazing with DLSS but I expect more of raw performance increase between card generations. Hopefully I see that real increase when we get to the 6090 and 7090 which is when I’ll be ready to upgrade my 4090.


I've been saying that I'm interested to know what black myth wukong gets at native as my 4090 gives a cinematic 23.976 fps at cinematic settings which I only now understand the irony of!

The fact a 5090 is giving 28 fps is saving me £2000 and I'll wait for the 5090 Ti which I actually do believe will happen this time as the cooler is much improved.
 
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SweetTooth

Gold Member



Oof! Wake me up when we get to the 6090. 28fps at native 4K isn’t the jump I expect for a $2000 GPU. 5090 will be amazing with DLSS but I expect more of raw performance increase between card generations. Hopefully I see that real increase when we get to the 6090 and 7090 which is when I’ll be ready to upgrade my 4090.


And we had Bojji and Gaiff trash every PS5Pro thread despite having more performance uplift at $699 (complete package!)

They are awfully quiet now 😅
 

Zathalus

Member


According to that video a 4090 4k native max settings and RT runs at 25fps. So the 5090 runs at 28fps and the 4090 runs at 25fps on the same settings? So without the DLSS 4 or Framegen the raw performance sucks?

No, because you are comparing two different areas of the game. The first act is significantly more demanding with the 4090 around 20-22fps. So it appears to be a 30-40 percent uplift.
 

dDoc

Member
Seems like a solid take. Is GAF really positive for the 5000 series Vs the previous gen? Whilst still an upgrade, is it worth it?

 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And we had Bojji and Gaiff trash every PS5Pro thread despite having more performance uplift at $699 (complete package!)

They are awfully quiet now 😅
No, I’ve been pretty vocal. You’re still on your console warrior trolling shtick? Guys like you don’t last around here.

No, because you are comparing two different areas of the game. The first act is significantly more demanding with the 4090 around 20-22fps. So it appears to be a 30-40 percent uplift.
It’s still insanely disappointing that it cannot maintain 30fps at native 4K. Seems that Blackwell is another Turing. The RT performance uplift looks miserable. It had better be something with the drivers.
 
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SweetTooth

Gold Member
No, I’ve been pretty vocal. You’re still on your console warrior trolling shtick? Guys like you don’t last around here.


It’s still insanely disappointing that it cannot maintain 30fps at native 4K. Seems that Blackwell is another Turing. The RT performance uplift looks miserable. It had better be something with the drivers.
So what do you think now? Great value for PS5Pro isn't it? 🤣
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
So what do you think now? Great value for PS5Pro isn't it? 🤣
With the $550 5070? Fuck no. We’ll soon get a 5060/Ti with a similar level of performance for $300-400, so nah.

Even your lame attempt at flexing fails. The 5090 is overpriced as hell, but the rest of the lineup seems more reasonable.
 

Zathalus

Member
It’s still insanely disappointing that it cannot maintain 30fps at native 4K. Seems that Blackwell is another Turing. The RT performance uplift looks miserable. It had better be something with the drivers.
No doubt. There are some RT improvements, intersection tests have been doubled again, and SER is twice as fast as well, but nothing like Ampere to Ada was.
 

scydrex

Member
No, because you are comparing two different areas of the game. The first act is significantly more demanding with the 4090 around 20-22fps. So it appears to be a 30-40 percent uplift.
Ok so we have to pay $400 more for or 6-8fps uplift. Still a $2000 gpu can't run at 30fps.
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
8 GB tho... it'll be good for comedic value.
5060 Ti won't be 8GB and there's a high chance we get a 16GB 5060 too.
Ok so we have to pay 25% or $400 more for 30% or 6-8fps uplift.
That's a silly way to look at it. If the fps is extremely low, the percentage becomes increasingly irrelevant. I'm sure there's a game out there where the 4090 runs at 8fps and the 4080 at 4fps, so you'd be paying more for 4fps? Come on.

Still, at $2000, the 5090 is bad value. Unless it's like 50-60% faster than the 5080, which it won't be.
 
Seems like a solid take. Is GAF really positive for the 5000 series Vs the previous gen? Whilst still an upgrade, is it worth it?


Genuinely don't see the point of paying $1-2k for a GPU to play 'upscaled 30FPS' - which will probably look nice but feel like shit.

At present just have to wait for the actual reviews, and to see what kind of performance uplift there is against the 4080 and 4090.
 
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Rickyiez

Member
Something is very wrong there with the 28FPS at native . And it also doesn’t make any lick of sense to have a jump from 28FPS to 225FPS with just DLSS4 enabled and frame gen.

With the architecture upgrade , more cuda cores , higher memory bandwidth with DDR7 , I’m sorry I don’t buy the tiny 4FPS uplift from 4090
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Something is very wrong there with the 28FPS at native . And it also doesn’t make any lick of sense to have a jump from 28FPS to 225FPS with just DLSS4 enabled and frame gen.

With the architecture upgrade , more cuda cores , higher memory bandwidth with DDR7 , it just doesn’t make sense to have 4FPS uplift
It’s a wonder where the bottleneck lies. The 5090 has a titanic 1.8TB/s of memory bandwidth, almost 80% higher than the 4090, yet the performance uplift is middling.

There’s something with modern games engine that completely blocks them from reaching higher performance with top-tier hardware.
 
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Zathalus

Member
Something is very wrong there with the 28FPS at native . And it also doesn’t make any lick of sense to have a jump from 28FPS to 225FPS with just DLSS4 enabled and frame gen.

With the architecture upgrade , more cuda cores , higher memory bandwidth with DDR7 , it just doesn’t make sense to have 4FPS uplift
Doesn’t sound like much, but when are working with such low FPS it translates to a 30%-40% uplift. If the 4090 was doing 60fps in a title then the 5090 would be 78-84fps.

Still not the largest boost, but better than saying just 6fps more.
 

peish

Member
Something is very wrong there with the 28FPS at native . And it also doesn’t make any lick of sense to have a jump from 28FPS to 225FPS with just DLSS4 enabled and frame gen.

With the architecture upgrade , more cuda cores , higher memory bandwidth with DDR7 , I’m sorry I don’t buy the tiny 4FPS uplift from 4090

The 28fps is from 4090? He mentioned which gpu on show,
 

yamaci17

Member
most of the time the "30 FPS to 200 FPS" thing is being misinterpreted by lots of people. most of the time the heavy lifting is done by DLSS super resolution scaler, often lifting that base "20-30 FPS" to 60-80 FPS, bringing real native framerate increase benefits and latency reductions. then dlss frame generation or the new one takes that and multiplies it. this is especially evident with path tracing in cyberpunk where you simply cannot brute force native 4k path tracing and even the 5090 tanks to 28 FPS, but enabling even the dlss quality mode brings massive performance increase because path tracing resolution is tied to the internal resolution. DLSS super resolution brings much bigger performance improvements in path traced titles compared to raster titles (raster doesn't scale with resolution as well as path tracing in terms of performance)

that is why "hey it is 30 to 200 but it will feel like 30 FPS anyways" takes are wrong. you just assume all of it is purely done by frame generation when in reality it is not. the DLSS is a package and NVIDIA markets its as a package.
 

Bojji

Member
And we had Bojji and Gaiff trash every PS5Pro thread despite having more performance uplift at $699 (complete package!)

They are awfully quiet now 😅

LOL.

With the $550 5070? Fuck no. We’ll soon get a 5060/Ti with a similar level of performance for $300-400, so nah.

Even your lame attempt at flexing fails. The 5090 is overpriced as hell, but the rest of the lineup seems more reasonable.

Pretty much, with 5070 price Pro looks even worse than it does now.

Remember SweetTooth, Pro is weaker than 4070 that sells for 550$, now for the same price you will get stronger GPU.

Not to mention PSSR is one tier behind current DLSS, with update it will be 2 tiers behind...

This launch will make this console look even worse.
 
It’s a wonder where the bottleneck lies. The 5090 has a titanic 1.8TB/s of memory bandwidth, almost 80% higher than the 4090, yet the performance uplift is middling.

For sure there is something very wrong with Blackwell. Have to wait for reviews to find out.
 

Bojji

Member
It’s a wonder where the bottleneck lies. The 5090 has a titanic 1.8TB/s of memory bandwidth, almost 80% higher than the 4090, yet the performance uplift is middling.

There’s something with modern games engine that completely blocks them from reaching higher performance with top-tier hardware.

Maybe it's limited by pure RT performance upift?
 

Madflavor

Member
I have 3080 10gb, and it's served me very well. Running Black Myth on Very High, and very rarely dip below 60fps. But I was paying close attention to the 5000 series mainly to upgrade my VRAM. All I can say is that 16gb for the 5080 is super disappointing, and certainly for that price.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for either a 5070 or 5080 Ti that's a much better deal. I mean I'd go for a 16gb minimum as my next upgrade, but not for $1000+
 

SweetTooth

Gold Member
LOL.



Pretty much, with 5070 price Pro looks even worse than it does now.

Remember SweetTooth, Pro is weaker than 4070 that sells for 550$, now for the same price you will get stronger GPU.

Not to mention PSSR is one tier behind current DLSS, with update it will be 2 tiers behind...

This launch will make this console look even worse.

You are paying for a repackaged software suite, now enjoy double paying for extra 3 frames 🤣
 

analog_future

Resident Crybaby
Genuinely don't see the point of paying $1-2k for a GPU to play 'upscaled 30FPS' - which will probably look nice but feel like shit.

At present just have to wait for the actual reviews, and to see what kind of performance uplift there is against the 4080 and 4090.

You aren't getting an upscaled 30fps though. Say 30fps is Native 4K. DLSS brings that 30fps up to ~60fps of real frames. From there, you can use frame gen to bring the FPS up to those crazy 200+fps numbers.

So the reality is games are going to feel like 60fps but look well above that. Sounds good to me.
 
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Wolzard

Member
The increase in raw power sucks but at this point it's expected.
The silicon technology is at its limits, it's not possible anymore to double performance by using double the amount of transistors on a more advanced node while keeping costs and die size the same.
It's just incremental stuff.
AI and ray tracing/path tracing are the only fields where R&D can lead to significant perceived improvements.

Still of course pretending that AI interpolated frames are the same thing as actually rendered frames to make the cards look good it's pure PR bullshit.

Do you really believe that? With the amount of money put into these chips for AI applications, I believe more that they are using these frame generation and upscaling technologies to keep the chips for gamers small so that they can use the silicon for other purposes.

The same silicon for a gaming GPU should be worth much more as a GPU for a data center.
 

Bojji

Member
You were mocking a 45% uplift in Pro, now you are cheering less than 30% .. a classic case of hypocrisy 👌

I'm not cheering weak mediocre update in raw power. I like that they improved price/performance ratio (for most cards) when everyone expected higher prices.

You also get DLSS upgrade to ALL games. That's what I'm excited about.

Pro looks even more uninteresting now than 2 months ago.
 
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twilo99

Member
The increase in raw power sucks but at this point it's expected.
The silicon technology is at its limits, it's not possible anymore to double performance by using double the amount of transistors on a more advanced node while keeping costs and die size the same.
It's just incremental stuff.
AI and ray tracing/path tracing are the only fields where R&D can lead to significant perceived improvements.

Still of course pretending that AI interpolated frames are the same thing as actually rendered frames to make the cards look good it's pure PR bullshit.

Should we expect 1500W GPUs in a few years?
 

scydrex

Member
LOL.



Pretty much, with 5070 price Pro looks even worse than it does now.

Remember SweetTooth, Pro is weaker than 4070 that sells for 550$, now for the same price you will get stronger GPU.

Not to mention PSSR is one tier behind current DLSS, with update it will be 2 tiers behind...

This launch will make this console look even worse.
So you recommend me to buy a 5070 instead of a Pro? That will leave me with $150 to buy a cpu, case, ram, board, monitor, keyboard & mouse.
I was interested in the 5070 when i saw the price but 12gb 192bit? no thanks. That should have been the 5060.
 
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Zathalus

Member
You were mocking a 45% uplift in Pro, now you are cheering less than 30% .. a classic case of hypocrisy 👌
PS5 slim launch price was $400, Pro is $700. “Up to” 45% extra performance for 75% increased price. Extra 1TB SSD space as well.

4070 launch price was $600, 5070 is $550. 30% extra performance for 10% decreased price. If you look at the 4 year upgrade cycle like the console then the 3070 was $500. 60% extra performance for 10% extra upgrade price. 50% more VRAM as well.

The Pro has PSSR as a value add, but it seems a bit paltry vs the options DLSS 4 and the entire other myriad of software techniques that Nvidia has.

As silly as it is to compare a single GPU vs an entire console, as individual products the 5070 offers better upgrade value for its target audience than the Pro did for its audience. No matter if you use the gen on gen method or a more realistic 4 year upgrade cycle.
 
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Bojji

Member
So you recommend me to buy a 5070 instead of a Pro? That will leave me with $150 to buy a cpu, case, ram, board, monitor, keyboard & mouse.
I was interested in the 5070 when i saw the price but 12gb 192bit? no thanks. That should have been the 5060.

5070 will get you much higher performance. Don't look at memory bus but memory bandwidth (it's on par with 256 bit 4xxx cards) You will be able to create whole pc with it below 1000 Euro (and dollars as well), it will be better in ALL aspects. Pro has somewhat not terrible price only in US

Real competitor of pro will be 5060ti.

Remember that pro upgrades only limited number of PS5 games, new GPU upgrades ALL your pc games.
 
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Three

Member
PS5 slim launch price was $400, Pro is $700. “Up to” 45% extra performance for 75% increased price. Extra 1TB SSD space as well.
4070 launch price was $600, 5070 is $550. 30% extra performance for 10% decreased price. If you look at the 4 year upgrade cycle like the console then the 3070 was $500. 60% extra performance for 10% extra upgrade price. 50% more VRAM as well.The Pro has PSSR as a value ad, but it seems a bit paltry vs the options DLSS 4 and the entire other myriad of software techniques that Nvidia has.As silly as it is to compare a single GPU vs an entire console, as individual products the 5070 offers better upgrade value for its target audience than the Pro did for its audience. No matter if you use the gen on gen method or a more realistic 4 year upgrade cycle.
The value add of the PS5 pro is greater vs the 5070. The 45% faster rendering doesn't take into account better RT and going from no AI upscaling to PSSR. The difference between the base PS5 to PS5 Pro is greater.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
So you recommend me to buy a 5070 instead of a Pro? That will leave me with $150 to buy a cpu, case, ram, board, monitor, keyboard & mouse.
I was interested in the 5070 when i saw the price but 12gb 192bit? no thanks. That should have been the 5060.
Stop this. The 5070 is a lot more powerful than the Pro. Then consider that you’re not at the mercy of the devs to get your money’s worth. Wukong took a month to get an update and tons of games released before are never getting one. Most PS4 titles are still stuck at 30fps. Your 5070-powered PC will run every game much better.
 

scydrex

Member
5070 will get you much higher performance. Don't look at memory bus but memory bandwidth (it's on par with 256 bit 4xxx cards) You will be able to create whole pc with it below 1000 Euro (and dollars as well), it will be better in ALL aspects. Pro has somewhat not terrible price only in US

Real competitor of pro will be 5060ti.

Remember that pro upgrades only limited number of PS5 games, new GPU upgrades ALL your pc games.
Ok let´s wait for the 5060 and see how much a $700 PC runs the games better than de Pro.
 

scydrex

Member
Stop this. The 5070 is a lot more powerful than the Pro. Then consider that you’re not at the mercy of the devs to get your money’s worth. Wukong took a month to get an update and tons of games released before are never getting one. Most PS4 titles are still stuck at 30fps. Your 5070-powered PC will run every game much better.
Sure and what about the stutter on PC? Did they fix it? With a high end PC there is no stutter in Wukong for example?
Of course the 5070 is more powerful than the Pro it cost $550 the GPU alone.
 
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