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[Morrigan Stark]

87,000? Fucking hell I hate this planet sometimes

You aren't prepared. You think you are, but you are not. Trust me on this one.

I believe you.

 

[Camwi]

You aren't prepared. You think you are, but you are not. Trust me on this one.

I believe you. I don't think anyone could be prepared for something like that, unless they're sociopaths with zero empathy.

I just think it might be a fair tradeoff for the sake of kids' lives.

Really, the people who do that job are fucking unsung heroes.

 

[Waldini]

I believe you. I don't think anyone could be prepared for something like that, unless they're sociopaths with zero empathy.

I just think it might be a fair tradeoff for the sake of kids' lives.

Really, the people who do that job are fucking unsung heroes.

There's alot of sick people in this world who believe nothing is wrong with 'em. They show zero regret. Nothing. That's the scary part. They believe they can do anything to anyone.

It's a mental illness.

I remember looking at footage and becoming sick to my stomach. I could not comprehend what I just saw.
The worst part of it was that I had to report it to a judge. So when my mind was finally at peace again I had to relive the entire shitshow ...

 

[Camwi]

There's alot of sick people in this world who believe nothing is wrong with 'em. They show zero regret. Nothing. That's the scary part. They believe they can do anything to anyone.

It's a mental illness.

I remember looking at footage and becoming sick to my stomach. I could not comprehend what I just saw.
The worst part of it was that I had to report it to a judge. So when my mind was finally at peace again I had to relive the entire shitshow ...

I feel for ya, dude. I really can't even imagine.

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

As a new father to a 6 month old, this enrages me.

87,000?! What the actual fuck.

I hope every last one of them is arrested and rehabilitated.

nah, theres no rehabilitation from this. once a pedo always a pedo. toss em off a bridge into a pool of bloodthirsty sharks

 

[Volimar]

nah, theres no rehabilitation from this. once a pedo always a pedo. toss em off a bridge into a pool of bloodthirsty sharks

I'm all for attempting to rehabilitate them, but once they join sites like that and add to the demand for that kind of content, or God forbid harm a child themselves, they deserve the book thrown at them imo.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

nah, theres no rehabilitation from this. once a pedo always a pedo. toss em off a bridge into a pool of bloodthirsty sharks

If it is a mental illness then we owe it to future generations to study and find how to reduce the occurrence of it and how to control the urges of those who do have it so that more children aren't made victims. That doesn't mean we stop punishing criminal acts but to just deny possible rehabilitation does more long-term harm than short-term good.

 

[Kthulhu]

nah, theres no rehabilitation from this. once a pedo always a pedo. toss em off a bridge into a pool of bloodthirsty sharks

Pretty sure that's not true. Even if it was, then they should be institutionalized, not killed.

 

[moggio]

nah, theres no rehabilitation from this. once a pedo always a pedo. toss em off a bridge into a pool of bloodthirsty sharks

That sort of attitude is part of the reason why these underground paedophile rings exist.

What avenues are there for paedophiles to seek help without fear of reprisals from people who think they should be tossed off a bridge into a pool of bloodthirsty sharks?

It just pushes paedophiles who may not be offending and may desire to seek help into the arms of other paedophiles who are offending.

 

[Waldini]

I'm all for attempting to rehabilitate them, but once they join sites like that and add to the demand for that kind of content, or God forbid harm a child themselves, they deserve the book thrown at them imo.

The problem is that these people know goddamn well what kind of community they are joining. It's forbidden EVERYWHERE.

There's no excuse in sharing this kind of stuff. Let alone making it yourself. People who participate in these kind of things should be found and locked up. They are a danger to everyone and don't even know it.

An adult .. who does such things to a child. Just think about that for a while.

 

[Volimar]

The problem is that these people know goddamn well what kind of community they are joining. It's forbidden EVERYWHERE.

There's no excuse in sharing this kind of stuff. Let alone making it yourself. People who participate in these kind of things should be found and locked up. They are a danger to everyone and don't even know it.

An adult .. who does such things to a child. Just think about that for a while.

We know who does it. Incredibly dangerous mentally ill people. People we should be encouraging to come forward for therapy before they act on the urges instead of treating them like they deserve to die just for existing. But like I said, once they join those kinds of sites or touch a child, all bets are off. They can get therapy in prison.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

People who participate in these kind of things should be found and locked up. They are a danger to everyone and don't even know it.

Of course, because they've broken the law. I don't think anyone is arguing criminals shouldn't be sentenced for their crimes. But why not try to rehabilitate them? If not for the chance it'll stop them from repeating once they're out, how about to better understand it from a psychological standpoint so that we can apply better treatments and preventions. I mean I can't think of a better group to examine and try to rehabilitate than those already found. It's not like researchers are going to get replies to a 'pedos wanted' advert.

 

[JimCareyGaveMeChlamydia]

That sort of attitude is part of the reason why these underground paedophile rings exist.

What avenues are there for paedophiles to seek help without fear of reprisals from people who think they should be tossed off a bridge into a pool of bloodthirsty sharks?

It just pushes paedophiles who may not be offending and may desire to seek help into the arms of other paedophiles who are offending.

Attitude? The rings exist because these perverts get sexual pleasure from sexually assaulting children.This is illegal and heinous behavior thus the rings are secret.
It's also a business for pedos to sell footage or traffic children sex worker slaves.

What avenues are there? Don't touch kids! It's that simple, but deviants and paedofile apologists like to sympathise with these monsters.

Someone mentioned the advance practice of treatment in Germany where the patients are not criminally culpable for what is said during therapy. They could admit to molesting kids and sharing child porn but the therapist will not alert the police because paedofiles rights to treatment exceed the welfare of kids.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Shit like this makes it terrifying to not have my daughter in my sights 24/7. People are fucking filthy pieces of shits.

Of course, because they've broken the law. I don't think anyone is arguing criminals shouldn't be sentenced for their crimes. But why not try to rehabilitate them? If not for the chance it'll stop them from repeating once they're out, how about to better understand it from a psychological standpoint so that we can apply better treatments and preventions. I mean I can't think of a better group to examine and try to rehabilitate than those already found. It's not like researchers are going to get replies to a 'pedos wanted' advert.

I have no problem rehabilitating them. They should be able to learn to live productive lives...in jail. Jail doesn't have to be a puritanical dungeon. But I'm pretty adamant that pedos are never "cured" because you're not changing that inclination completely. They may learn to suppress it but I'm never going to want someone that's already acted on it and been convicted to ever be free around kids or give them restrictions on the honor system.

That sort of attitude is part of the reason why these underground paedophile rings exist.

🤔Hmm, where have I heard this bullshit argument before?

Pretty sure them being disgusting selfish motherfuckers is why those rings exist. Not people that are disgusted by grown adults abusing children.

 

[BodiesWithoutOrgans]

So sad 87,000 member Jesus Christ

 

[Waldini]

Of course, because they've broken the law. I don't think anyone is arguing criminals shouldn't be sentenced for their crimes. But why not try to rehabilitate them? If not for the chance it'll stop them from repeating once they're out, how about to better understand it from a psychological standpoint so that we can apply better treatments and preventions. I mean I can't think of a better group to examine and try to rehabilitate than those already found. It's not like researchers are going to get replies to a 'pedos wanted' advert.

Because the cases I've treated nearly always resulted in the suspect breaking the law again. There were very few cases of suspects behaving themselves. Those who break the law (again) act like normal people the first months ... There's just nothing that can help them resist the "urge".

The worst case was a guy who took a child (believe the girl was 10 years old). He was convicted for it. His defense? Heh. "She said I could do it!" After a while, he got out ... received intensive therapy and everything seemed fine. Hell, he saw multiple therapists. Everything seemed OK untill the police noticed he moved to another city ... Upon investigation they found him living about 200 meters from the girl he abused years before. With the parents of the girl having no knowledge of it.

It's shit like this that made me furious and drop out of the division. There's something seriously wrong the way the police and Justice Department try to prevent these things.

 

[Mistake]

I can't imagine doing a job like that. Pure hell. I'm not the religious type, but bless those people

 

[7DollarHagane]

Now send the details of all of those users to local law enforcement.

Here's a fun idea: send them to a remote island filled with weapons 100 at a time and the last one standing gets to be "rehabilitated". Obviously I'm not serious about that but I think rehabilitation is a joke. Harsh punishment and public shaming and exposure of their evil deeds.

People need to seek help before they are involved in secret deep web rings. These are the people beyond help.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I have no problem rehabilitating them. They should be able to learn to live productive lives...in jail. Jail doesn't have to be a puritanical dungeon. But I'm pretty adamant that pedos are never "cured" because you're not changing that inclination completely. They may learn to suppress it but I'm never going to want someone that's already acted on it and been convicted to ever be free around kids or give them restrictions on the honor system.

I mostly agree. As a proponent for restorative justice I don't believe prison needs to be a place of capital punishment but a place for criminals to adjust their ways to become productive members of society. Those who show no progress in curbing their antisocial ways remain until they show clear indicators that they will not relapse.

I also explicitly avoided using the word cure because I also don't think it is something that can be cured. Only controlled. Which is why I think those in prison are perfect subjects for research. It might help some prevent a relapse once they're out while also benefiting others by establishing some science behind the illness so those who haven't crossed the line may seek therapy in order to prevent new criminals from exploiting new victims.

 

[Neuromancer]

I don't want to speak for anyone, but from his reply it reads like maybe he misunderstood and thought the person he replied to was talking about the people who run the sites, not the people from law enforcement.

I hope you're right.

Now send the details of all of those users to local law enforcement.

I'm sure they will.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I mostly agree. As a proponent for restorative justice I don't believe prison needs to be a place of capital punishment but a place for criminals to adjust their ways to become productive members of society. Those who show no progress in curbing their antisocial ways remain until they show clear indicators that they will not relapse.

I also explicitly avoided using the word cure because I also don't think it is something that can be cured. Only controlled. Which is why I think those in prison are perfect subjects for research. It might help some prevent a relapse once they're out while also benefiting others by establishing some science behind the illness so those who haven't crossed the line may seek therapy in order to prevent new criminals from exploiting new victims.

There are no clear indicators someone like that will not reoffend and I'm not willing to take the chance on them.

Let em live out the rest of their days in a really decent facilities where they can cook and watch TV and read and learn and meditate or whatever but they need to segregated from society. For the rest of their days.

 

[JimCareyGaveMeChlamydia]

a place for criminals to adjust their ways to become productive members of society. Those who show no progress in curbing their antisocial ways remain until they show clear indicators that they will not relapse.

Trust the words of a paedofile?

 

[moggio]

What avenues are there? Don't touch kids! It's that simple, but deviants and paedofile apologists like to sympathise with these monsters.

Oh gee! You've sussed it! The solution was so easy!

Pretty sure them being disgusting selfish motherfuckers is why those rings exist. Not people that are disgusted by grown adults abusing children.

Be disgusted, yes, but to openly suggest these people be killed it's no wonder they operate clandestinely.

And don't forget, it's not actually illegal to be a paedophile. There are many paedophiles yet to commit crimes who may want to seek help. But realistically, what help can they seek?

I mean, I don't know but it seems like whatever it is it isn't sufficient.

 

[7DollarHagane]

There are no clear indicators someone like that will not reoffend and I'm not willing to take the chance on them.

Let em live out the rest of their days in a really decent facilities where they can cook and watch TV and read and learn and meditate or whatever but they need to segregated from society. For the rest of their days.

I think I'm ok with society bearing the cost to segment these monsters from the rest of society. Give them a bare bones subsitence where they aren't punished but don't exist within society. Maybe they can do work that's too tedious or time consuming for a traditional workforce. Some kind of data entry or something.

 

[Gnome Scat]

Thank you German Police. Those poor kids...

 

[NoblesseOblige]

There are no clear indicators someone like that will not reoffend and I'm not willing to take the chance on them.

It's entirely your prerogative to feel that way. And it is completely understandable by anyone sane. But ultimately it is for the justice system to decide. We already give them less time in prison under a retributive system than some proposed restorative ones.

Trust the words of a paedofile?

Uh what? No, silly, the word of medical and justice professionals. Why would a convict's word be trusted?

 

[Kaako]

Glad Germany cracked down on this. Am utterly disgusted at that member count for such a short period of time. Hope they trace route properly every single fucking member and hold them accountable.

 

[Downhome]

Question on the side: What is the dark web which one "uses"? Like some kind of.. VPN? It always sounds fake to me. The idea of a secret internet.

I think it's pretty wild that you are starting to hear more about this sort of thing here lately. There is a major national television commercial that actually mentions it now showing a family and the audio over them is an auctioneer auctioning off their private information as they live their lives. I'm amazed at that commercial every time I see it. I always wonder just what the average person even thinks that commercial is about.

 

[lvl99 Pixel]

how do so many people reach that level of depravity?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

It's entirely your prerogative to feel that way. And it is completely understandable by anyone sane. But ultimately it is for the justice system to decide. We already give them less time in prison under a retributive system than some proposed restorative ones.

The justice system is a corrupt and incompetent mess. The system is broken.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.tele...37k-indecent-images-of-children-spared-j/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nyda...-raping-3-year-old-daughter-article-1.1740180

Convicted pedophiles should never walk another free day in their lives. I don't care how good they pretended to be on a message board or how they are willing to engage in therapy. Or how they super swear they're rehabilitated.

Uh what? No, silly, the word of medical and justice professionals. Why would a convict's word be trusted?

Given how often they are wrong I'm not inclined to trust their assessment either. Keep em locked up.

 

[Instro]

Evilore confirmed it was him and any thread dedicated to that news story has been locked for some reason. 🤔

Both the story in the OP and the Amirox story makes me sick to my stomach.

I think it's for the best. The issue was thoroughly explained, an open thread on the subject containing personal information that people are using to further dig into the guy's life seems in poor taste. His life, such as it was, is already ruined now.

 

[Harmen]

Jesus, those numbers in such a short time, so many members... I find that very shocking. You know they are out there, but to see a glimpse of how large these sites can be... Just sickening, those poor children... Good that they managed to crack down on this. Hopefully they will be able to find more of them to shut down.

 

[JimCareyGaveMeChlamydia]

Be disgusted, yes, but to openly suggest these people be killed it's no wonder they operate clandestinely.

They operate clandestinely because they know it's illegal and immoral.

 

[O_Atoll]

Sickening. Can't believe there are so many people like that. Throw them under the jail.

 

[JasonUresti]

how do so many people reach that level of depravity?

I think what these numbers show us us that are far more people who have these desires than most would ever suspect.

A smaller number seek out pornographic material, and a smaller number still commits acts of the abuse and supplies the videos and images.

 

[Carcetti]

My youngest child, just past the toddler phase, is playing in the room where I'm typing this and words can't describe the disgust I feel for these sicks fucks.

It really is incomprehensible how people can do that to a child.

 

[O_Atoll]

I assume those who work there are child molesters themselves.

I mean who in the right mind would keep a straight face when operating those.

WTF?

 

[Beerman462]

This is the best part.

Occasionally, the investigators use more unusual methods: if they can not find the perpetrators, they first try to identify the victims. They turn to schools and show teachers photos of children who circulate on internet platforms. In the photos are no sexual acts to be seen, only the faces of the abused children frontal. In the past, the method has repeatedly led to successes.

Finding the children and getting them help.

 

[Calion]

I think it's for the best. The issue was thoroughly explained, an open thread on the subject containing personal information that people are using to further dig into the guy's life seems in poor taste. His life, such as it was, is already ruined now.

If this many members of GAF didn't know about Amir0x from just last week, then it's wasn't thoroughly explained. This site did a shitty job by keeping everything hush hush and short.

 

[moggio]

They operate clandestinely because they know it's illegal and immoral.

Yes, there are many reasons. It's almost as if human psychology is very complex.

But waiting until these people commit crimes before attempting to offer rehabilitation (or not offering rehabilitation at all) seems less ideal than offering rehabilitation before any crimes are committed.

 

[travisbickle]

Jesus, those numbers in such a short time, so many members... I find that very shocking. You know they are out there, but to see a glimpse of how large these sites can be... Just sickening, those poor children... Good that they managed to crack down on this. Hopefully they will be able to find more of them to shut down.

I can believe that a lot of those numbers will be immoral bastards selling/exchanging videos for financial gain. I don't know if I can imagine that many peados being that open about it, that's a very large discussion forum!!!!

 

[JimCareyGaveMeChlamydia]

Uh what? No, silly, the word of medical and justice professionals. Why would a convict's word be trusted?

You do know they release people prison psychologists have deemed medium or high risk of reoffending?
First result in google:

Serial rapist strikes months after prison release
Authorities said Gary John Barker, who changed his surname to Collingwood after his beloved football team, had an "abysmally poor" chance at rehabilitation and was a "serious high-risk" of reoffending.

 

[Coreda]

You use a program called TOR, which allows you to access data otherwise unavailable (colloquially .onion sites). Once you are in the TOR internet, you basically have access to all normal internet + onion sites, which are hard to find because crawler search engines cannot find them. What you usually do is find a reference site (for example, use duckduckgo to find a text dump that contains addresses to onion sites) and try to find what you want, though 99% of darknet sites are password protected.

Protips brought to you by TheRedSnifit

 

[NoblesseOblige]

The justice system is a corrupt and incompetent mess. The system is broken.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.tele...37k-indecent-images-of-children-spared-j/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nyda...-raping-3-year-old-daughter-article-1.1740180

Convicted pedophiles should never walk another free day in their lives. I don't care how good they pretended to be on a message board or how they are willing to engage in therapy. Or how they super swear they're rehabilitated.



Given how often they are wrong I'm not inclined to trust their assessment either. Keep em locked up.

I realize it's broken hence my advocacy for ways to resolve it. And you're free to distust who you want but I am pro science which medicine is part of. So I will trust them more than my gut. It only gets better when more input is fed into it.

 

[WordsintheWater]

Absolutely disgusting, that many members in such a short period? Sick world we live in, good on the German police.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Protips brought to you by TheRedSnifit

Are you trying to imply something? Knowing how the Dark Net works is a common thing when you know tech.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I realize it's broken hence my advocacy for ways to resolve it. And you're free to distust who you want but I am pro science which medicine is part of. So I will trust them more than my gut. It only gets better when more input is fed into it.

There is no exact science to discerning if a convicted pedophile will reoffend.

So please don't try to frame my argument as me trusting my gut and you being a rational person of science.

I'm saying society should stop giving these shit bags a second chance. Their second chance isn't worth the safety of our babies.

 

[Chesskid1]

i am so damn fascinated by reading about child porn cases, how they catch them, etc on sites like motherboard, etc.

i don't really know why though.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

There is no exact science to discerning if a convicted pedophile will reoffend.

So please don't try to frame my argument as me trusting my gut and you being a rational person of science.

I'm saying society should stop giving these shit bags a second chance. Their second chance isn't worth the safety of our babies.

I explicitly framed myself as irrational by saying I don't trust my gut. But okay.

 

[Coreda]

Are you trying to imply something? Knowing how the Dark Net works is a common thing when you know tech.

It's called ribbing

Oh wait, I'm on GAF