GymWolf
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I mean if we have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to have a working narrative...
Pretty sure that if i focus a bit i can come out with 10 better looking games but i'm too lazy
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Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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Pretty sure that if i focus a bit i can come out with 10 better looking games but i'm too lazy
SimTourist
Member
Just shows how poor this generation has been. KCD2 could probably run on PS4/Xbox One in some capacity, it doesn't look a world away from the first.I mean if we have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to have a working narrative...
Pretty sure that if i focus a bit i can come out with 10 better looking games but i'm too lazy
GymWolf
Member
I like your attitude kid
PeteBull
Member
We will know how deep rabbit hole goes once switch2 launches and ports of "current gen only" games will start to show up on it, hell we know for example Jedi Survivor got last gen port(runs relatively poorly tho) so very few games that are "current gen" wouldnt be able to be downscaled/ported down to last gen machines, another good indicator is- if it can be downscaled enough to run relatively okish on steamdeck, if yes then u know lastgen port was easily doable too.
GymWolf
Member
Ac shadows having a rumored sw2 version tells you all you need to know about how nextgen it is.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Fucking nonsense considering kc2 just came out and runs well.
You could say state of modern Japanese gaming but even ff7 rebirth runs well on PC.
I think it’s just an re engine issue. And that too with open world games. Nothing more.
I just agree with his general point about the state of gaming and calling out the graphics in particular (the part I agree with) and comparing it to PS3/PS4 graphics. Aint that what we been saying this whole time? I'm just glad he called them out, we need more of this about graphics especially from people like him!
coachmcguirk91
Member
It's the RE engine. It is absolute shit at processing open worlds. Dragon's Dogma 2 runs terribly too. Capcom needs to abandon that game engine, at least when it comes to their open world games. Janky as all hell
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Much text in this thread so I thought I'd add some images of what I'm hoping for:
Next Zelda going bananas with great cel-shading on the Switch 2. Either by going this classic route with film grain:
(Even put a hat on the rat)
Or clean, but still with 2D animation style:
Next Zelda going bananas with great cel-shading on the Switch 2. Either by going this classic route with film grain:
(Even put a hat on the rat)
Or clean, but still with 2D animation style:
Radical_3d
Member
Would love the first one.Much text in this thread so I thought I'd add some images of what I'm hoping for:
Next Zelda going bananas with great cel-shading on the Switch 2. Either by going this classic route with film grain:
(Even put a hat on the rat)
Or clean, but still with 2D animation style:
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
But I dont think most games look worse than they did 10 years while running worse. If anything, they run way better because they are so dated and have created unrealistic expectations around shitty GPUs like the 3060. The 3060 is weaker than the PS5. It should not be running any next gen game better than the PS5 which should be the lowest common denominator running games at 30 fps.
4+ years into the gen, PC gamers had the 1060 which was around 2.5x faster than the PS4. They used that to run 30 fps PS4 games at 1080p 60 fps. 3060 is not even as powerful as the PS5. A better comparison would be the 4070 or 3080. Something 2x faster that should run PS5 games at double the framerate. 99% of the games i play on my 3080 i run at 60 fps using settings better than whats on PS5. There are some exceptions due to poor PC ports but overall things are not as bad as these guys are making it out to be. Either from the performance front or most games looking worse than they did in 2014.
This is the best looking game from 2014.
Yes, Spiderman 2 looks cross gen as fuck, but it looks way better than a Sony first party graphics showpiece in 2014.
I have my issues with devs not pushing graphics. I will criticize Kingdom Come 2 in due time and the internet's hard-on for saying how well optimized it is while ignoring its graphics shortcomings. I will continue to shit on Ghost of Yotei for its next gen leap, but even I can tell that there has been a graphics upgrade in all Sony games including HFW, Spiderman 2, Ratchet, Demon Souls, Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei.
Someone on twitter was trying to shit on Wukong in a viral tweet about how well Kingdom Come 2 runs. Almost immediately several people posted benchmarks of how it runs just fine on low to mid end PCs as long as you dont try to run at max settings. People just say dumb shit on twitter. Extrapolating from one game that runs a terrible engine by a terrible developer is silly. Especially from someone like kepler who should know better. Even that engine isnt really that bad as both RE4 and RE8 run just fine on PCs. SF is fine too outside of the open world. So its mostly just RE Engine in open world games. Very niche specific scenario. Not an overall indictment of gaming.
GymWolf
Member
It is also nowhere near nextgen enough to go against ue5 in linear games either so it's useless for every type of game.
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Lethal01
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Much text in this thread so I thought I'd add some images of what I'm hoping for:
Next Zelda going bananas with great cel-shading on the Switch 2. Either by going this classic route with film grain:
(Even put a hat on the rat)
Or clean, but still with 2D animation style:
Dont know what you mean with the film grain, you can lap film grain onto anything, buy I hope they continue with the Ghibli like botw sstyle, jut make it look more like it doe in the Tear of the kingdom teaser.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The leaves on trees look 2d as well and its kinda immersion breaking if you get up too close. Look gorgeous from afar though.Except for the petals painted onto the wiggling transparent cardboards in the foreground.
I know I'm a stickler, but I can't help myself
Is it though? id rank several cross gen games above it. HFW, Callisto, Star Wars Jedi Survivor, (though it was next gen only when it launched), Cyberpunk of course, and then there are next gen only games that look way better.
RodriGames40
Member
This could have been done on Switch afaik, I think something like the First Berserker would nail it.Much text in this thread so I thought I'd add some images of what I'm hoping for:
Next Zelda going bananas with great cel-shading on the Switch 2. Either by going this classic route with film grain:
(Even put a hat on the rat)
Or clean, but still with 2D animation style:
coachmcguirk91
Member
RE4 looked really good for a cross-gen game. So IDK about that. Surely can't achieve UE5, but few engines can. All of the recent Resident Evil games look and ran well
GymWolf
Member
Re4r looks worse than an even older crossgen but much bigger full fledged open world like horizon 2, so i'm gonna disagree with the "good for a crossgen" statement.
Decent is my final offer.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, but at least RE4 ran well lol. I was running it maxed out at native 4k 60 fps on my 3080.
I am willing to give the RE Engine another shot, but RE9 is also rumored to be open world so good luck to the devs.
It's a shame because RE7, RE2 and RE Village all looked great at the time. But starting from RE4, and all the Dragon Dogma 2 CPU issues, its obvious that RE Engine is lagging behind.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
MGS3 Remake trailer out. This would be a direct comparison to RE4. Remake of 2 PS2 era Japanese games. One on RE Engine, the other UE5. One runs well on last gen GPUs, the other requires next gen GPUs.
I love how it looks even better than the CG in Pachinko. God I love UE5.
I love how it looks even better than the CG in Pachinko. God I love UE5.
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not sure if they would be a direct comparison. One was made to run on the PS4, the other is current-gen exclusive.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah like i said it’s a comparison between an engine targeting next Gen gpus vs last Gen trash that runs well on last Gen gpus. For two games that initially came out within months of each other.
No one asked capcom to release a last Gen game in 2023. Fuck em. Good to see konami embracing ue5 with their remakes of silent hill 2, mgs3 and even their baseball game with looks stunning on ue5.
Gonzito
Gold Member
GymWolf
Member
ocelot face is just wrong tho.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Man... I do have to finish mgs 3 OG first... I do have the master collection on ps5 on disc....
SHAME but I never played it since I never had a ps2 as a kid./.. or maybe at this point just play the remake
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Myuni
Member
KCD2 can look very nice, like here:
or here (the trees look quite realistic from a certain distance):
I like the background-fog in this shot:
Where it falls apart is on close up.
It's the same old tech for foliage as in older, last gen games, but I guess the artistry to compose vegetation and lighting is just not on par, in my opinion.
KCD2:
here are some games that make a (much) better job in this regard, I think...
TLOU2:
Days Gone:
Sons Of The Forest:
or here (the trees look quite realistic from a certain distance):
I like the background-fog in this shot:
Where it falls apart is on close up.
It's the same old tech for foliage as in older, last gen games, but I guess the artistry to compose vegetation and lighting is just not on par, in my opinion.
KCD2:
here are some games that make a (much) better job in this regard, I think...
TLOU2:
Days Gone:
Sons Of The Forest:
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GymWolf
Member
Not listing the 2 games with the best vegetation (avatar and hfw) is almost diabolicalKCD2 can look very nice, like here:
or here (the trees look quite realistic from a certain distance):
I like the background-fog in this shot:
Where it falls apart is on close up.
It's the same old tech for foliage as in older, last gen games, but I guess the artistry to compose vegetation and lighting is just not on par, in my opinion.
KCD2:
here are some games that make a (much) better job in this regard, I think...
TLOU2:
Days Gone:
Sons Of The Forest:
And those are not even from burning shores dlc that is ps5 exclusive.
bonus pic
Some shots of this game still looks as nextgen as the best we have seen this gen, it's undeniable, i don't give a fuck if the lighting is not realistic
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I cant believe this is a gameplay screenshot.
While the nanite implementation might not result in something insanely detailed like Hellblade 2, i love the lighting here. UE5 games starting from Robocop get that realistic lighting just right.
While the nanite implementation might not result in something insanely detailed like Hellblade 2, i love the lighting here. UE5 games starting from Robocop get that realistic lighting just right.
Myuni
Member
Not listing the 2 games with the best vegetation (avatar and hfw) is almost diabolical
And those are not even from burning shores dlc that is ps5 exclusive.
bonus pic
Some shots of this game still looks as nextgen as the best we have seen this gen, it's undeniable, i don't give a fuck if the lighting is not realistic
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GymWolf
Member
The model is also very solid, very realistic looking materials on the jacket, i guess the good light help with thatI cant believe this is a gameplay screenshot.
While the nanite implementation might not result in something insanely detailed like Hellblade 2, i love the lighting here. UE5 games starting from Robocop get that realistic lighting just right.
Oh I 100% agree with you. So I dont agree with Kepler’s statement 100% in the sense that games look worse than ten year old ones (some of them actually do and worse lol) I was agreeing with his bashing of graphics of today’s games. We always say people like df are way too complacent with their criticism of graphics or actually lack thereof and are praise happy all the time.But I dont think most games look worse than they did 10 years while running worse. If anything, they run way better because they are so dated and have created unrealistic expectations around shitty GPUs like the 3060. The 3060 is weaker than the PS5. It should not be running any next gen game better than the PS5 which should be the lowest common denominator running games at 30 fps.
4+ years into the gen, PC gamers had the 1060 which was around 2.5x faster than the PS4. They used that to run 30 fps PS4 games at 1080p 60 fps. 3060 is not even as powerful as the PS5. A better comparison would be the 4070 or 3080. Something 2x faster that should run PS5 games at double the framerate. 99% of the games i play on my 3080 i run at 60 fps using settings better than whats on PS5. There are some exceptions due to poor PC ports but overall things are not as bad as these guys are making it out to be. Either from the performance front or most games looking worse than they did in 2014.
This is the best looking game from 2014.
Yes, Spiderman 2 looks cross gen as fuck, but it looks way better than a Sony first party graphics showpiece in 2014.
I have my issues with devs not pushing graphics. I will criticize Kingdom Come 2 in due time and the internet's hard-on for saying how well optimized it is while ignoring its graphics shortcomings. I will continue to shit on Ghost of Yotei for its next gen leap, but even I can tell that there has been a graphics upgrade in all Sony games including HFW, Spiderman 2, Ratchet, Demon Souls, Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei.
Someone on twitter was trying to shit on Wukong in a viral tweet about how well Kingdom Come 2 runs. Almost immediately several people posted benchmarks of how it runs just fine on low to mid end PCs as long as you dont try to run at max settings. People just say dumb shit on twitter. Extrapolating from one game that runs a terrible engine by a terrible developer is silly. Especially from someone like kepler who should know better. Even that engine isnt really that bad as both RE4 and RE8 run just fine on PCs. SF is fine too outside of the open world. So its mostly just RE Engine in open world games. Very niche specific scenario. Not an overall indictment of gaming.
So someone in Kepler’s position coming out and calling out the graphics and even capping a bit with his criticism was a breath of fresh air. We always wanted people in his position to come out and do that. But I wholeheartedly agree with your post though, that was an exaggeration on his part (I aint complaining though lol).
We’ve had our fair share of good looking games this gen but honestly nothing mind blowing besides maybe hellblade. After playing The Matrix demo I have set the bar way too high for myself that I am not easy to please graphically anymore and I cannot seem to be able to bring that bar down lol. To think The Matrix demo came out almost 4 years ago and it is still not even remotely matched is borderline crazy!
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
The motion blur is so high quality, it can't be real.I cant believe this is a gameplay screenshot.
While the nanite implementation might not result in something insanely detailed like Hellblade 2, i love the lighting here. UE5 games starting from Robocop get that realistic lighting just right.
(meanwhile 97% of gamers who are idiots disable motion blur as soon as they turn on the game)
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
HFW prioritizes near field detail in favor of draw distance even at mid range, and man i am so over it. The fog and low res LODs in the distance betrays its last gen roots.Not listing the 2 games with the best vegetation (avatar and hfw) is almost diabolical
And those are not even from burning shores dlc that is ps5 exclusive.
bonus pic
Some shots of this game still looks as nextgen as the best we have seen this gen, it's undeniable, i don't give a fuck if the lighting is not realistic
Kingdom Come is the polar opposite while Avatar is somewhere in between. it also doesnt handle LODs 100% well like UE5 does. Especially when you go out in the plains on horseback or start flying around.
UE5's nanite is the only thing that has the potential to stop this but we dont have any open world games other than Stalker which didnt use nanite for its foliage.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
You have my axe.
Honestly, I was surprised that Hellblade 2 didnt ruin games like Black Myth and Silent Hill 2 for me. I was still blown away by the lighting and level of detail in both games even if the rocks didnt look like they were copied and pasted from real life like they do in hellblade.
I just think focusing on just the performance is missing the point. I am currently seeing twitter praising the performance of KC2 and I am seeing the same thing I saw with Indiana Jones. People just dont care if the games look next gen. They just want good performance from their dated GPUs, and the moment someone tries to push the bar and suggest gamers should update their antiquated GPUs, the same people throw a fit on twitter. Keplar of all people should not be looking at a shit GPU like the 3060. Everyone on PCs should have a 2x more powerful GPU by now. The fact that they are overpriced is because Keplar and his cronies were sucking Nvidia's dick and allowed them to keep their prices inflated to the point where simply getting 2x more performance from consoles will now cost them $600 when back in 2017, it would cost around $250. And now most gamers are still stuck on the 3060 which isnt even as powerful as a PS5 expecting games to run at 2x the framerate like they did on their 1060.
Twitter by far has the weirdest takes I have ever seen when it comes to videogames. Like you see the odd take on Twitter here and there about sports, politics or whatever but with videogames the comments are always nuts it makes you wanna rip your hair out. Having said that, not sure why Kepler chose the 3060 to shit on the game, that was a weird one by him lol
Piggoro
Member
My god! They fixed my nitpick from the previous trailer! Shagohod's corksrews are dirty now! In the previous trailer they were pristine metallic.I cant believe this is a gameplay screenshot.
While the nanite implementation might not result in something insanely detailed like Hellblade 2, i love the lighting here. UE5 games starting from Robocop get that realistic lighting just right.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Avowed looks good in stills. Good lighting and a lot of geometry.
Buggy Loop
Member
It won't set this thread on fire of course but I believe Lumen will elevate it a lot. Considering how Pillars of Eternity looked like, I'm all for just more of that universe but with a nice engine
Some more recent stills make it look like the delay allowed them to cook
And although this is shit X quality video, I really want to see more of the cities. Indirect lighting is where Lumen will make it shine compared ot usual RPG attempts.
Now Microsoft only has 6 days left to make a big juicy video with good captures to hype peoples up.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The fields in this game look amazing. The forest looks like shit. Add another to the schizo list.
amigastar
Member
Thats true, i never disable motion blur as i think it adds to the game (sometimes?)
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I love this game. Some of the indoor stadiums look so realistic.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
this looks incredible. Might be the most realistic looking game since driveclub in gifs form.I love this game. Some of the indoor stadiums look so realistic.
There is something to it
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
its the animations along with the lighting. the animations in this game are so smooth. the bat swings look like real swings. the player movement is smooth and not janky. Lumen is probably being used in this game too because i see some telltale signs of RT artifacts on hair sometimes.
this might be the one game i end up buying the PS5 Pro for.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Dude I can't buy a .... baseball can I?! Does it have a disc release?!
DanielG165
Member
KCD2 looks okay so far on a big screen, though I’m not using my PC to run it (other games are prioritizing my storage there lol). I wanted the “full” fidelity suite on console, so I’m using quality mode on Series X, and it CAN indeed be a really good looking game, primarily in the forests and draw distances. It runs incredibly well too, with me managing to run KCD2 just fine on my ROG Ally as a test.
Granted, I’m still only about 20-30 minutes in, but I haven’t been absolutely blown away thus far yet. It’s certainly optimized to the nines, and the game itself is a proper RPG and a special product, but CryEngine isn’t giving me that wow factor at the moment.
Granted, I’m still only about 20-30 minutes in, but I haven’t been absolutely blown away thus far yet. It’s certainly optimized to the nines, and the game itself is a proper RPG and a special product, but CryEngine isn’t giving me that wow factor at the moment.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
it does but the last time i checked play asia, it was more expensive to import it.
i just bought some singpaore psn cards from playasia and setup a singapore psn account because its all in english unlike the japanese psn setup, price is the same.
the game is a lot of fun but use Japanese translate to change some hitting settings to make hitting easier. a lot of youtubers didnt know about it because the menus are all in japanese, and thought the game was super hard when its actually really easy if you know which settings to change. if you do end up impulse buying it, let me know and i can send you screenshots of what settings to change.
