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GVMERS: Sony's Failed "Forza Killer" - The Tragedy of Driveclub
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Oh that mysterious untouchable timeless classical beauty of Drive Club:
Tell me you have never played Driveclub without tell me you have never played Driveclub
MightySquirrel
Banned
Yeah unfortunately I tried it. Everything is sub mediocre in it, especially handling and no 4k 60 fps wouldn't save it.
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What?
DriveClub is a basic arcade racer (gameplay wise). The cars / bikes literally go faster DRIFTING through corners.
lovetalkgames
Banned
Sony diehards touted this as a killer IP just because it looked good. A trend you’d see throughout the PS4 gen.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I personally didn't like it from what I tried.
The cars had whining wheels if you were just turning the wheel even just a tiny bit and the steering was shit.
AutumnLeaves
Member
Who the hell called it Forza killer?
PSYGN
Member
Marketing - you know, the people that don't actually use/play what they're marketing.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Game site called VG24/7 back in 2014.
Then when Sony did their DC trailer with game site quotes, they used VG24/7's quote.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
The Tragedy is that Evolution Studios decided to make a boring arcade racer instead of WATERSTORM instead.
It's all in the wrist
Member
It pains me to say this, but Driveclub isn't a good game. Especially coming off of Motorstorm.
sainraja
Member
Some people in the media referred to it like that and you know certain groups will pick up on that like giddy little children.
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VinnyMac
Member
Either way it was photo realistic had actual cars I've seen plenty of videos of people with racing sim set ups playing it may have had arcade elements but it was looked at as a sim.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Are you calling GVMERS an Xbox fanboy ? I don't think that's the case in the slightest.
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0neAnd0nly
Member
I’m not sure Sony ever called this a “Forza killer”, which is a pretty ludicrous claim when Forza was literally created to be a knock-off Gran Turismo for a console that didn’t have that yet.
Driveclub was made as an easily accessible arcade racer to show off new and pretty tech / graphics.
Zero customization pretty much did it in, though the driving physics, IMO, didn’t help much either early on.
Driveclub was made as an easily accessible arcade racer to show off new and pretty tech / graphics.
Zero customization pretty much did it in, though the driving physics, IMO, didn’t help much either early on.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I can't believe people are still talking about this absolutely mediocre game.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Kuranghi
Member
Acht well who cares anyway, Forza Horizon is boring since 4 anyway. I tried both 4 and 5 and felt no drive to play it more than an hour, it just wasn't very fun and there was no progression. It was like heres a million races and you don't have the proper car for many of them, so just grind out races you don't want to do until you get the car to do the races you do want to do. Then the barn find thing was supremely boring, getting the hard to reach signs was annoying because you couldn't just do big run ups again quick, wasn't really that fun to work out how to land on things like it is in Burnout Takedown/Revenge crash mode or GTA V.
Bring back Burnout/NFS Underground/NFS Hot Pursuit (the latest one) style giant lists of tracks/events but that take place in a coherent open world that divided up into tracks, way better than some giant world thats then got tracks slotted in after they designed the map. Make the tracks, then add a backdrop/environments around it, because the cool world looks cool for trailers and then after you start playing its just a bunch of puff. Or even like Midnight Club/NFS Underground 2 where you feel like you're being a racer in that world at least, not part of some literal cringefestival.
Bring back Burnout/NFS Underground/NFS Hot Pursuit (the latest one) style giant lists of tracks/events but that take place in a coherent open world that divided up into tracks, way better than some giant world thats then got tracks slotted in after they designed the map. Make the tracks, then add a backdrop/environments around it, because the cool world looks cool for trailers and then after you start playing its just a bunch of puff. Or even like Midnight Club/NFS Underground 2 where you feel like you're being a racer in that world at least, not part of some literal cringefestival.
Patrick S.
Banned
Driveclub was one of the games that made me want a PS4. I bought it after it had been patched. I thought it was jaw-dropping, to be honest.
Unfortunately, the game is very shallow and doesn't have the structure of a proper racing game. It needed a proper career mode. It needed car tuning. And most of all, I think the driving physics and handling weren't good. It had unconvincing Ridge Racer tap-brake-to-drift driving that was just not appropriate for a simcade title.
Unfortunately, the game is very shallow and doesn't have the structure of a proper racing game. It needed a proper career mode. It needed car tuning. And most of all, I think the driving physics and handling weren't good. It had unconvincing Ridge Racer tap-brake-to-drift driving that was just not appropriate for a simcade title.
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lukilladog
Member
Yeah unfortunately I tried it. Everything is sub mediocre in it, especially handling and no 4k 60 fps wouldn't save it.
I guess the previous pictures were from PSVR... but still, that is not unmatched, Forza Horizon on PC with textures and geometry on Ultra makes this look like a switch game... particularly with TAA on PC it looks next gen.
rushgore
Member
Not quite, the best one is Assetto Corsa with Rain FX mod
Sleepwalker
Member
Driveclub sucked and mostly all arcade racers have mostly sucked since NFS underground 2.
JordoftheDead
Member
Thought Driveclub was really average but I’d love a current gen Mototstorm.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
I don't get the "Forza Killer" label. The game was neither marketed nor positioned as such.
It's a completely different type of racer than Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon.... and if anything, Forza Motorsport itself is the game billed as a "Gran Turismo Killer" (even though it never did).
Seems a bit click-baity to use that to promote your video GVMERs. You guys can do better than shit like that.
It's a completely different type of racer than Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon.... and if anything, Forza Motorsport itself is the game billed as a "Gran Turismo Killer" (even though it never did).
Seems a bit click-baity to use that to promote your video GVMERs. You guys can do better than shit like that.
0neAnd0nly
Member
Sure.They used the quote from an outlet in an official game trailer
#Marketing.
But they never insinuated (nor did Evo) that it was their goal.
GT is obviously Forza’s competition. DC was, 10000%, an arcade sim.
I do cars. Been building and racing since the early 00s. DC << Forza… but to be above it was never the goal.
Sure they use some reviewers quotes to market, I guess I can see an argument for that being the “same thing”, but that’s not what I was intending to reference by that comment.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sony never said Forza Killer themselves, but they still used the VG24/7 quote in their trailer.
Wunray
Member
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Driveclub was too arcades for FM and too sim for Horizon. Not to mention, not open world like Horizon.
It was one of the first PS4 games I played. Truth be told, I was hiding the PS4 as a Christmas present for my oldest son and while he was in school I would break it out to play this game. But it got old quick. AI was too rubber band like and the gameplay was just too simple. Then graphics were nice though.
It’s a shame Evolution made this instead of Motorstorm.
It was one of the first PS4 games I played. Truth be told, I was hiding the PS4 as a Christmas present for my oldest son and while he was in school I would break it out to play this game. But it got old quick. AI was too rubber band like and the gameplay was just too simple. Then graphics were nice though.
It’s a shame Evolution made this instead of Motorstorm.
Saber
Gold Member
They still didn't said it and was never actually their intention for development to begin with. I really dunno why people keep insisting on this, as if the sole purpose of this game was to beat Forza.
I actually put almost 500 hours in that game.
I still actually play it time to time even though the online features are gone.
But, honestly, this game felt like the true successor for Codemasters Grid. The handling and tracks has GRID inspiration all over it.
Shame no one else has made another true arcade-sim game. The dirt series kinda got there but it got too "edgy" for me.
I still actually play it time to time even though the online features are gone.
But, honestly, this game felt like the true successor for Codemasters Grid. The handling and tracks has GRID inspiration all over it.
Shame no one else has made another true arcade-sim game. The dirt series kinda got there but it got too "edgy" for me.
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
They failed with Motorstorm Apocalypse, the last thing SONY or Evolution wanted was to make another Motorstorm and try their luck again. Thers a docu on YT where they said they added everythign they ever wanted in a motorstorm game and had no plan or idea for a sequel after 3.
Hellmaker
Member
Not with cars like Huayra and the like. It felt brutal, and that's what I loved the most. No other racer has done that for me sadly... I keep trying and all I get is the feeling you described.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
All I know is those rain effects with the windshield wipers going was insane. That alone sold me on the game.
lame gag1990
Member
Almost like Sony's PGR. I played it long after intitial release and liked it. I find these kinds of racers way more entertaining than racing sims (so boring). I miss PGR...
Gamerguy84
Member
The only tragedy about DC is that we arent getting DC2. Also that Sony axed Evolution, that was a bad move IMO.
After reading comments i can tell some people havent played the game but instead watched a few YT vids or read comments somewhere else.
It wasnt sim and it wasnt full arcade, it was a nice mix of both and id love to have another one.
After reading comments i can tell some people havent played the game but instead watched a few YT vids or read comments somewhere else.
It wasnt sim and it wasnt full arcade, it was a nice mix of both and id love to have another one.
supernova8
Banned
Yeah it gave me the same "oh my fucking god next-gen is here" feeling as PGR3 did on Xbox 360. Plus it is kinda similar in terms of gameplay (the little time trials and drift challenges within maps).
You could sort of frame as it as a MMO PGR.
That said, I honestly treated it as a bit of eye candy rather than a game I felt like progressing in. The only thing I enjoyed as racing at night on the snow in the Scotland (? can't remember) tracks with an Aston Martin and racing on the windy Japan tracks with the Ariel Atom.
I guess the problem is/was that the sort of people who religiously play racing games (ie probably DC's desired target audience) are more into Gran Turismo-esque games (explains why GT Sport did so well) and probably scoffed at DC's arcadey-ness. As a result, it ended up being a game for nobody. Too "car nut"-y for casuals but not serious enough for racing enthusiasts.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Much better comparison than Forza.
Mr.ODST
Member
Driveclub was a great game amd glad it improved and sorted itself out, I know the real stories behind the scenes but cannot share lol
Tommi84
Member
Of all the hot takes I read today, this is the hottest.
Good luck completing the 'Venom Hot Laps' when drifting. Drifting is NOT faster - period
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I only played the free version and every car I drove got better lap times, when I drifted through the corners. It's an arcade racer. Nothing else.
And yes I heard about the legendary Venom challenge. Mostly because of how difficult the car was the manage, which doesn't take away from most cars going faster in through corners, while drifting.
