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[James Sawyer Ford]

You can play few % (at most) of PS1, PS2 and PS3 games. The best part is games you have on disc will not work, you need special PS4/PS5 versions AND PS1 and PS2 classics you bought from PS3 PSN will also NOT WORK!

You have to buy games multiple times and quality ranges from bad (PS1 games on PS5) to laughable (PS3 games streamed lol).

Meanwhile I can play 2006-2013 (PS3 era) games in 4k/120fps on PC.

So this is just a numbers game?

You’re currently playing thousands of Arari and NES games on your PC right now that you of course legitimately bought at the store and you have no need to play the god awful current generation titles?

You have to buy games multiple times

How many ps1 games are you buying at your local GameStop to play on your pc?

 

[Romulus]

PS3 getting this many votes is wild. There were so many great games. PS5 is the first generation that I am skipping. I'm glad that I didn't get one when it came out, as I couldn't afford it. It is hard to justify the purchase now with most games I'm interested in coming out on PC.

And through the years, it always gets the most votes on forums across the internet "worst PS console." It's wins in blowout fashion as the worst and it definitely is not just neogaf either.

 

[Bojji]

So this is just a numbers game?

You’re currently playing thousands of Arari and NES games on your PC right now that you of course legitimately bought at the store and you have no need to play the god awful current generation titles?

It's numbers, quality and the fact that games you bought many, many years ago (on discs or Steam) are still usable and playable.

You can throw PS1, PS2 and PS3 (including PSN) games collection into trash if you have PS5...

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It's numbers, quality and the fact that games you bought many, many years ago (on discs or Steam) are still usable and playable.

You can throw PS1, PS2 and PS3 games collection into trash if you have PS5...

Which library of ps1, ps2, and ps3 games are you playing on pc?

You must have a massive collection of thousands of games you are currently playing legitimately of course

You must have a large garage to store all of it

 

[FoxMcChief]

And through the years, it always gets the most votes on forums across the internet "worst PS console." It's wins in blowout fashion as the worst and it definitely is not just neogaf either.

Until the PS5 came out. Now that’s leading as the worst PS console. Rightfully so.

 

[Bojji]

Which library of ps1, ps2, and ps3 games are you playing on pc?

You must have a massive collection of thousands of games you are currently playing legitimately of course

You must have a large garage to store all of it

I'm not talking about myself here, in general - Sony doesn't give a fuck about BC.

I have games on Steam that I bought in 2007 (when I created account) - I can download them right now and play in 4k/120fps.

Meanwhile all my PS3 games I bought on PSN 2009-2014 are not even listed on PS5 store, lol.

You are locked in "generation" boxes and good will (or lack of it) of console producers. On PC you can buy and play games from 199x, 200x, 201x, 202x - generations don't exist.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I'm not talking about myself here, in general - Sony doesn't give a fuck about BC.

I have games on Steam that I bought in 2007 (when I created account) - I can download them right now and play in 4k/120fps.

Meanwhile all my PS3 games I bought on PSN 2009-2014 are not even listed on PS5 store, lol.

You are locked in "generation" boxes and good will (or lack of it) of console producers. On PC you can buy and play games from 199x, 200x, 201x, 202x - generations doesn't exist.

So you’re mostly playing nearly 20 year old games and don’t play anything from 2020 onwards?

 

[Bojji]

So you’re mostly playing nearly 20 year old games and don’t play anything from 2020 onwards?

I play mostly new games but once in a while I play some old gem I missed back in the day.

For example enslaved is on my list to play this year:

I'm not artificially limited by hardware manufacturer as I am on PS5. You can see on this small snippet of my Steam library games from Xbox 1 gen to PS5.

 

[adamsapple]

It is at launch, yeah

Jimmy my boy, you've done well, take a breather.

 

[GymWolf]

I play mostly new games but once in a while I play some old gem I missed back in the day.

For example enslaved is on my list to play this year:

I'm not artificially limited by hardware manufacturer as I am on PS5. You can see on this small snippet of my Steam library games from Xbox 1 gen to PS5.

maintain your expectations in check for that particular umm...gem you are about to play.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I'm not artificially limited by hardware manufacturer as I am on PS5. You can see on this small snippet of my Steam library games from Xbox 1 gen to PS5.

Decent chunk of that list is playable on ps5, I’m not seeing the limitation

Not that I’d want to anyway

 

[Bojji]

maintain your expectations in check for that particular umm...gem you are about to play.

I don't expect anything more than 7/10 but this is fine! I wanted to play it on PS3 back in the dat but it looks and performs terrible.

Decent chunk of that list is playable on ps5, I’m not seeing the limitation

Not that I’d want to anyway

You may not see it but it's there - You can't play ~90% of PS1, PS2 and PS3 games on PS5.

 

[SenkiDala]

So you’re mostly playing nearly 20 year old games and don’t play anything from 2020 onwards?

Oh come on, not again this "BC is useless" bullshit... If tomorrow there's an update that can play all of the PS1/2/3 discs on PS5 you'd be the first saying it's pure genius and backcompat is so important, it's our legacy, and lalalalala.

A machine should always be as much backcompat as possible. The fact that the PS5 isn't playing any PS1/2/3 games on disc is a shame. Making it backcompat with PS1/2 discs with just simple emulators would be so simple, it's not even a month of work for a team of 5 persons. They just want a reason to make you pay 152 EUROS YEARLY to play Dino Crisis and Tekken 6 PSP version.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Derp. No generations on console! PS5 plays ps4 games in addition to ps1 and ps2 titles, and can stream ps3 cloud titles

Seriously the logic of you guys

It is at launch, yeah

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Oh come on, not again this "BC is useless" bullshit... If tomorrow there's an update that can play all of the PS1/2/3 discs on PS5 you'd be the first saying it's pure genius and backcompat is so important, it's our legacy, and lalalalala.

I hardly ever use BC. I think I may have played some ps4 BC when PS5 launched but I haven’t in years. I don’t tend to replay old games

I think BC is important, but the older the BC the less commercially relevant it is

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

PS4 is the worse easily.

At least there was Stellar Blade, Rift Apart, FFVII Remake Intergrade, and FFVII Rebirth on the PS5.

Don't remember liking anything on the PS4. The Ratchet and Clank remake on the PS4 is also not as good as Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart.

 

[Nicktendo86]

All these posters saying ps3 was bad are joking right? Yeah it got off to an awful start but they brought it back, in fact the ps3 is prob my favourite only console.

Still don’t have a ps5 as the amount of games I want to play still cannot justify the cost so I agree with OP.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Gta 6 will have the shortest exclusivity period seen on consoles imo.

If you want a sign of how bad this generation is, we have heard how gta6 will save playstation and ps pro for over a year now.

And by save, I mean content.

Ps5 is selling extremely well due to 0 competition but the console market is hemorrhaging users. I've just seen the data.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Jimmy my boy, you've done well, take a breather.

And he wants to talk about team green and their marching orders

 

[lakitu1982]

Fuck yeah! I can play my copy of Gitaroo man on my ps5? I had no idea.

Here I was thinking it was just a few selected titles with emulation worse than pc

It's a great game tbh

 

[Renson]

IMO PS4 is worse due to the hardware and performance. It had great games, sure but the hardware was a nightmare to play, specially end of generation games like FF7 Remake.

 

[Syphon Filter]

IMO PS4 is worse due to the hardware and performance. It had great games, sure but the hardware was a nightmare to play, specially end of generation games like FF7 Remake.

ps4 isnt worse. the only reason it had some performance issues was due to games being pushed unlike now where they look the same and no progress as all.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Gta 6 will have the shortest exclusivity period seen on consoles imo.

If you want a sign of how bad this generation is, we have heard how gta6 will save playstation and ps pro for over a year now.

PS5 is selling faster than PS4 and Sony are reporting record profits.

Yeah, PlayStation needs saving alright.

 

[ArtHands]

Oh come on, not again this "BC is useless" bullshit... If tomorrow there's an update that can play all of the PS1/2/3 discs on PS5 you'd be the first saying it's pure genius and backcompat is so important, it's our legacy, and lalalalala.

A machine should always be as much backcompat as possible. The fact that the PS5 isn't playing any PS1/2/3 games on disc is a shame. Making it backcompat with PS1/2 discs with just simple emulators would be so simple, it's not even a month of work for a team of 5 persons. They just want a reason to make you pay 152 EUROS YEARLY to play Dino Crisis and Tekken 6 PSP version.

Its really a shame we can’t play most classic PS titles. I am glad emulation is a thing. I have bunch of classic PS game roms on my Steam Deck alongside the latest PC games.

 

[DenchDeckard]

PS5 is selling faster than PS4 and Sony are reporting record profits.

Yeah, PlayStation needs saving alright.

There's two discussions here.

I am talking about creatively vs commercially, it's two different things.

I have approached this thread, focusing on creatively.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

And he wants to talk about team green and their marching orders

It really does upset you that Xbox isn’t going to have new hardware out by the time GTA6 releases

You’ve been wanting it to magically save the day for a while.

GTA6 is going to sell like 80% or more on PlayStation consoles

That’s pretty close to a day and date exclusive as you’re going to get

 

[FoxMcChief]

There's two discussions here.

I am talking about creatively vs commercially, it's two different things.

I have approached this thread, focusing on creatively.

Some only care that their plastic overlords sell more, not that they create new an interesting content. Don’t you know that sales of hardware and remasters/remakes matter more than new games?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

It really does upset you that Xbox isn’t going to have new hardware out by the time GTA6 releases

You’ve been wanting it to magically save day for a while.

GTA6 is going to sell like 80% or more on PlayStation consoles

That’s pretty close to a day and date exclusuve as you’re going to get

What is this nonsense? GTA will sell more on PS5 so it’s basically a day one exclusive? This thread has done a real number on you.

 

[FoxMcChief]

What is this nonsense? GTA will sell more on PS5 so it’s basically a day one exclusive? This thread has done a real number on you.

Yeah, he might be a bigger joke than me.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

What is this nonsense? GTA will sell more on PS5 so it’s basically a day one exclusive? This thread has done a real number on you.

Back in the day, gta4 sold like 60% on Xbox 360 and that was a big deal, it sold a lot of Xbox 360 consoles.

The gta6 effect on PlayStation 5 is going to be much larger than that was, of course the GTA series is now far more popular than it was then

That’s what exclusives do, they’re a big driver of hardware sales. The relative advantage will be pretty lopsided in driving console adoption for PlayStation

Of course Microsoft doesn’t really care anymore, Xbox hardware isn’t a central focus of their business any longer

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Back in the day, gta4 sold like 60% on Xbox 360 and that was a big deal, it sold a lot of Xbox 360 consoles.

The gta6 effect on PlayStation 5 is going to be much larger than that was, of course the GTA series is now far more popular than it was then

That’s what exclusives do, they’re a big driver of hardware sales. The relative advantage will be pretty lopsided in driving console adoption for PlayStation

Of course Microsoft doesn’t really care anymore, Xbox hardware isn’t a central focus of their business any longer

Cool story bro, doesn’t make any of this GTA6 is a PS5 exclusive nonsense any less insane.

 

[Zathalus]

It really does upset you that Xbox isn’t going to have new hardware out by the time GTA6 releases

You’ve been wanting it to magically save the day for a while.

GTA6 is going to sell like 80% or more on PlayStation consoles

That’s pretty close to a day and date exclusive as you’re going to get

It can sell 99% of copies on PlayStation and it still won’t be an exclusive. You can’t change the definition of words to suit a narrative.

 

[octos]

I voted PS3 because the performance of that generation was catastrophic, with games running at 20-30fps. There were a few exceptions like WipEout HD, but 90% of the games were 30 or sub 30 fps. For PS5, it's the opposite: 90% of the games run at 60fps or more. The only issue is that the games themselves have become worse overall, but this is across all platforms. There isn't really a "must have" game on any platform this generation. But that can change anytime!

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It really does upset you that Xbox isn’t going to have new hardware out by the time GTA6 releases

You’ve been wanting it to magically save the day for a while.

GTA6 is going to sell like 80% or more on PlayStation consoles

That’s pretty close to a day and date exclusive as you’re going to get

You’re takes are so mind numbingly bad and they keep getting worse

I couldn’t care less when or if Xbox makes new hardware or not, I will just play on whatever is the best hardware at the time

I know you want to fan wars and all but I am the last person that cares about which platform I play something on

Keep trying

 

[Bojji]

PS5 is selling faster than PS4 and Sony are reporting record profits.

Yeah, PlayStation needs saving alright.

Why should customers care about this? I'm not masturbating to sales charts like some people here. I want high quality first party games in decent quantity - Something PlayStation was known for before.

PS5 so far is...

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Why should customers care about this? I'm not masturbating to sales charts like some people here. I want high quality first party games in decent quantity - Something PlayStation was known for before.

PS5 so far is...

Why should they care? It’s selling in record numbers!

Are we talking about the same customers here?

 

[Xaeroxcore666]

Here’s what most PS5 owners have to play this gen:

Demons Souls
Miles Morales
Cyberpunk 2077
Returnal
Ratchet and Clank
Dead Space
Resident Evil 8
Gran Turismo 7
Horizon Forbidden West
Elden Ring
God of War Ragnarok
Resident Evil 4
Final Fantasy 16
Baldur’s Gate 3
Armored Core 6
Spider-Man 2
CP: Phantom Liberty
Persona 3 Reload
Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
Stellar Blade
Helldivers 2
Shadow of the Erd Tree
Astro Bot
Silent Hill 2
Metaphor Refantazio

Shouldn’t be any surprise why it’s Sony’s most successful console ever. If that list disappoints you, you’re a jaded gamer

Great line up! Im enjoying Armored Core 6 and GT 7 on my PS5 at this very moment!

You know what the problem is? Most of those games are PS4 games and multiplattform, and some of them doesnt even have PS5 as the best device to expeperience it (like Phantom Liberty, and even 1st party like Drif Apart and Ragnarok)...and thing is we are 4 years deep into the gen, so there are just 3 games on your list that are actual PS5 100% exclusives (Astro bot, Demon's Souls remake and Spider-Man 2); all three gems, Astro Bot is GOTY, so its an actual killer app...But do those games have the impact like, for example, other killer apps 4 years deep into each PS generation has had? How do they compare, for example to Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 or GoW 3 and the impact those had back in the day? Let alone the comparison against the catalogue of the first 4 years into PS2 or PS1 generations..

PS5 generation is the worst, because until this day most part of its catalogue is a an enhanced last gen catalogue. Yes, it has nice tech innovations like Dualsense (this one actually felt like a generational leap on controller experience vs former PS and Xbox gens), 3D, Audio SSD, VRR, and now the PSSR on the Pro...but it doesnt matter if major part of this, is at service of last gen enhanced games or multiplattaform games that can actually look and run better on PC...so?

 

[Lunarorbit]

All these posters saying ps3 was bad are joking right? Yeah it got off to an awful start but they brought it back, in fact the ps3 is prob my favourite only console.

Still don’t have a ps5 as the amount of games I want to play still cannot justify the cost so I agree with OP.

Yeah I don't get it. Ps3 was amazing. It's what got me back into gaming after a 10 year absence.

Ps5 and cross gen were horrible. The only gaas I was excited in gets canceled.

 

[Bojji]

Why should they care? It’s selling in record numbers!

Are we talking about the same customers here?

Most people are buying it for COD, FIFA (FC) and Fortnite + maybe GTA game every ~12 years.

Most PS fans were with PS consoles because they loved Sony first party games, you see mostly those people voting in this poll and posting in this thread.

Super high console sales and profits =/= more high quality first party output as we can see this gen so why I should care? Sony was making better games when their hardware wasn't selling...

 

[ArtHands]

I voted PS3 because the performance of that generation was catastrophic, with games running at 20-30fps. There were a few exceptions like WipEout HD, but 90% of the games were 30 or sub 30 fps. For PS5, it's the opposite: 90% of the games run at 60fps or more. The only issue is that the games themselves have become worse overall, but this is across all platforms. There isn't really a "must have" game on any platform this generation. But that can change anytime!

Personally I am hoping for a great modern MGS4 port that isn't limited by the PS3.

 

[Markio128]

Why is there such a focus on 1st party games nowadays? In my experience, all the way back to PS1, it’s generally been 3rd party support that has shone on the consoles, from the likes of Namco, Konami, Square and Psygnosis, at least in the early period, with the occasional 1st party game thrown in like Gran Turismo.

If the quality of 3rd party games has diminished over the years, then that’s not really Sony’s fault.

I’d argue that you can play most of the best games released this gen on PS5, and that’s all that really matters in my mind.

Edit: I’d also argue that PS3 generation was the worst, because even though I loved most of the 1st party games, the third-party stuff wasn’t that memorable for me.

 

[ArtHands]

^ That's mostly because 3rd party games are easily found everywhere now, most often with reasons that you're better off purchasing it elsewhere. Gamepass on Xbox if you want to save money. Nintendo Switch or Steam Deck if you want portability. PC if you want mod, fidelity and price. The Playstation has nothing to offer beyond some cheap vibration gimmick.

 

[Sooner]

What other PlayStation generation had:

- basically all meaningful third-party games
- all Sony first-party games, including multiple GOTY winners
- and many, moving towards all, Xbox first-party games

Plus, the SSD and new controller were both significant generation steps.

I wasn't a fan out of the online game projects (though, Helldivers 2 was massive). I'm glad they are pivoting off of that.

As a whole, the PS5 has been great. The real issue is "gaming enthusiasts" have become more and more bitter as they get older and seem to want to hate anything and everyone.

 

[Zuzu]

Maybe it's the worst for a lot of people because of fewer first-party exclusives but for me I'm liking the overall library of games we've got on it a lot more than the games that came out in the first four years of the PS4. And I'm enjoying the PS5 Pro hardware which is obviously the best console hardware that's ever been released. It obviously runs rings around the hardware from the past generations.

The biggest negative for me is that I find the DualSense controller less ergonomic than the controllers from the past. I'd like to see them make the controller a bit smaller for the PS6 while keeping the haptics and trigger tech. But the games, across both PS5 and Series consoles, have been great, and much better than the first 4 years of the PS4 & Xbox One generation imo.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Maybe it's the worst for a lot of people because of fewer first-party exclusives but for me I'm liking the overall library of games we've got on it a lot more than the games that came out in the first four years of the PS4. And I'm enjoying the PS5 Pro hardware which is obviously the best console hardware that's ever been released. It obviously runs rings around the hardware from the past generations.

The biggest negative for me is that I find the DualSense controller less ergonomic than the controllers from the past. I'd like to see them make the controller a bit smaller for the PS6 while keeping the haptics and trigger tech. But the games, across both PS5 and Series consoles, have been great, and much better than the first 4 years of the PS4 & Xbox One generation imo.

I think making a Dual Sense Mini and a Dual Sense symmetrical model are absolutely no brainers as well as creating their own kb/m.

 

[DW74]

1>2>4>3>5

 

[Danjin44]

For me and type of games I usually enjoy absolutely, PS5 is my least favourite when comes to its first party library.

Other than Astro bot I can’t think of single game I enjoyed from Sony’s internal team this gen.

If it wasn’t for 3rd party games, I don’t think I have any reason to own PS5.

 

[ArtHands]

Yah, especially when 3rd party games and Sony Playstation 1st party games are best played on PC with enhanced fidelity. That leaves next to no reason to own a PS5 when the PC exist.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Yah, especially when 3rd party games and Sony Playstation 1st party games are best played on PC with enhanced fidelity. That leaves next to no reason to own a PS5 when the PC exist.

By that argument, there's almost no reason to get a PC. The difference between a high end PC and Sony's first party games is negligible, and it means you have to wait much later. You also have to wait later for generation defining games, like Grand Theft Auto 6.

Add in the cost of having to buy a PC, assemble it, deal with a lot more hassle factors than you do on console, and there's zero reason for many (most) consumers that don't like the PC environment to go buy a PC. As PC, for modern games, gets the same lineup only later.

But just because those arguments can be made, doesn't mean the PC as a platform is terrible or lacking in games or invalid for the consumer that WANTS a PC experience. You should try using some of that same logic in your extremist views.

 

[ArtHands]

By that argument, there's almost no reason to get a PC. The difference between a high end PC and Sony's first party games is negligible, and it means you have to wait much later. You also have to wait later for generation defining games, like Grand Theft Auto 6.

Add in the cost of having to buy a PC, assemble it, deal with a lot more hassle factors than you do on console, and there's zero reason for many (most) consumers that don't like the PC environment to go buy a PC. As PC, for modern games, gets the same lineup only later.

But just because those arguments can be made, doesn't mean the PC as a platform is terrible or lacking in games or invalid for the consumer that WANTS a PC experience. You should try using some of that same logic in your extremist views.

No, not true at all. A PC is superior by default with cheap game prices, MUCH more game selection, refund, controller versatility, mods, free online and other features.

A high end PC means much better fidelity. Ray tracing, DLSS, ultra-wide screen, better framerate, better resolution, Nvidia Reflex etc. Even Sony Playstation's 1st party games such as God of War and Horizon Forbidden West perform best on PC compared to Playstation 5 Pro.

These are certainly not negligible...unless you only play on Playstation.

There is a reason why Steam's concurrent players record is constantly being broken, while Sony is still struggling to break PS2's record. Statistics don't lie. Numbers don't lie.