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[worldwithpyramids]

yes this 1 success out of the last 99 failures sure proves chasing trends works. you're such a genius.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Absolutely. The ps360 era was the last huzzah for actual fun co-op.

Sure we get a few great games here n there like wildlands or HD2 but devs absolutely hate co-op these days.

Like basically all games at this point should be co-op barring very few titles.

Any call of duty campaign should be co-op, jedi survivor? How would that game have not been infinitely better with a bud doing dually sabers.

Elden ring seamless co-op mod is the best way to play that game I'm finding out on my 3rd playthrough with mates

I'm thinking lack of coop or couch MP is partly because of online play, but also an ulterior motive.

If a game allows too much couch or online coop play with buddies or family, a gamer will focus on having fun with them instead of being ultra competitive against randoms. If you focus on playing with friends, you'll probably care less about buying mtx. But if you play against randoms you'll focus more on winning, ranking up and buying mtx to compensate.

That's my theory at least.

 

[lughnasadh123]

I find a lot of people who shit on chasing trends have no problem with the trend they like being chased.

 

[Spyxos]

There's roughly 4 genres that make waves in the multiplayer space nowadays...

1. Team based sports games.
2. Battle Royale/Extraction
3. Survival
4. Co-OP

Helldivers 2 blew up because it wasn't a fighter, it wasn't an arena shooter, it wasn't an RTS.

PlayStation identified a trendy genre, supported a studio that made games in that genre and...voila, it worked! Their "big gamble" paid off handsomely. What are the odds?

May this be a lesson to those who say publishers shouldn't "chase trends". No, they actually should.

It could just as easily have backfired. It was what 8 years in the making? If it takes that long, it might not interest anyone by the time it comes out because the market is oversaturated or other types of games are more popular.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Gaming has increased in popularity since so that measure won’t work, but it used to be a lot more common to include in games.

So you think co-op games are trending downwards in terms of market profitability?

 

[bitbydeath]

So you think co-op games are trending downwards in terms of market profitability?

They are certainly rare to find.

 

[FrankWza]

Not being an FPS helps too.

A lot of the Socom crowd seems to be jumping in on this

 

[Dick Jones]

Striking while the iron was hot on the popularity of 1997's Starship Troopers.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

It could just as easily have backfired. It was what 8 years in the making? If it takes that long, it might not interest anyone by the time it comes out because the market is oversaturated or other types of games are more popular.

Every game is a gamble. No game is guaranteed to be a hit.

However, releasing your game in a trending genre so very clearly helps. To deny as such is deny reality itself.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

They are certainly rare to find.

I wonder if there are good numbers out there to illustrate how the co-op genre has fallen in terms of profitability.

 

[Spyxos]

Every game is a gamble. No game is guaranteed to be a hit.

However, releasing your game in a trending genre so very clearly helps. To deny as such is deny reality itself.

Well, as far as I know, it's also the only game in this category that has had such an extreme impact recently.

 

[Danjin44]

Men_in_Boxes You really hate video games that much?

 

[StueyDuck]

I'm thinking lack of coop or couch MP is partly because of online play, but also an ulterior motive.

If a game allows too much couch or online coop play with buddies or family, a gamer will focus on having fun with them instead of being ultra competitive against randoms. If you focus on playing with friends, you'll probably care less about buying mtx. But if you play against randoms you'll focus more on winning, ranking up and buying mtx to compensate.

That's my theory at least.

I understand couch co-op being dropped for sure. I mean I don't ever play except very few occasions.

You are absolutely right though that the pvp experience is always focused on more, gotta milk sales and skins and battle passes and all that also.

I just see so many SP games that have no reason not to include co-op. I mean sure I get it, then have to then develop their net infrastructure and net code and so on. But if most devs just knew they were making co-op they'd plan that out in pre prod anyway.

It just disappoints me because are so much more connected than ever. Processessors are stronger than ever and we still can't just get two players running around enjoying a campaign.

There are a few titles I get it because of how they are handling their loading and camera like God of War for example. But playing hogwarts and not being co-op is like why would you not do this . I don't need some in game lore reason or special co-op designed levels or cutscenes. Just be sp till it's time for gameplay then boop there's my mate, and we're off

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Men_in_Boxes You really hate video games that much?

To observe the landscape of the Catskill mountains is not to hate their majestic beauty but to appreciate them on a deeper level.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Well, as far as I know, it's also the only game in this category that has had such an extreme impact recently.

You got to talk about hit rates. That means "# of at bats vs # of hits".

If you looked at the # of quality effort co-op games released over the last 10 years and how many hit as a result, you'd find the hit rate.

 

[Danjin44]

To observe the landscape of the Catskill mountains is not to hate their majestic beauty but to appreciate them on a deeper level.

 

[Spyxos]

You got to talk about hit rates. That means "# of at bats vs # of hits".

If you looked at the # of quality effort co-op games released over the last 10 years and how many hit as a result, you'd find the hit rate.

I don't understand that.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Chasing trends? The game has been in development for like 6 or 7 years lmao

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I don't understand that.

View HITS / ATTEMPTS as a fraction.

How many co-op games have released over the last 10 years and how many of them were hits?

Now do the same thing with arena shooters and fighters.

Hit rate.

 

[StueyDuck]

Chasing trends? The game has been in development for like 6 or 7 years lmao

And it's a sequel

 

[Hugare]

I think those developers really only care about hitting financial incentives. They want steady work that benefits their bank accounts. You don't join a AAA studio if you're driven by making creative choices.

Devs working for Santa Monica, Naughty Dog or Rockstar, for example, dont care only about money. I can garantee you.

Devs working there are the best in the indutry. You can bet that they receive better offers all the time. But working on the best studios means way more than just money for some.

And that's not something exclusive to game dev, but to every industry. Specially those that are art driven.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Devs working for Santa Monica, Naughty Dog or Rockstar, for example, dont care only about money. I can garantee you.

Devs working there are the best in the indutry. You can bet that they receive better offers all the time. But working on the best studios means way more than just money for some.

And that's not something exclusive to game dev, but to every industry. Specially those that are art driven.

Was there a mass exodus when a percentage of them were working on Factions 2?

No. No there was not.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Chasing trends? The game has been in development for like 6 or 7 years lmao

Trends span longer than 7 years my friend.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

Imagine being in the war room at a giant publisher and they're talking about what games to make over the next 10 years.

If you blurted out "Let's just make good games everyone", it would be awkward AF. That's not particularly helpful when discussing industry trends.

It'd be fucking awesome. Don't lie to yourself, Hatorade.

 

[AtomicStarving]

Game is fun and got an original take. Buy it.

 

[bender]

 

[BlueLyria]

You are really working overtime to come up with the worst threads possible

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

You are really working overtime to come up with the worst threads possible

In this very thread, we have people claiming that trends stop at 7 years, that co-op games were more successful pre internet gaming, and the only things that's required is to make "a good game" to be successful.

Educating the public, though it may anger some, is a noble cause.

Sir, please direct your criticisms where they are most beneficial.

 

[BlueLyria]

In this very thread, we have people claiming that trends stop at 7 years, that co-op games were more successful pre internet gaming, and the only things that's required is to make "a good game" to be successful.

Educating the public, though it may anger some, is a noble cause.

Sir, please direct your criticisms where they are most beneficial.

Because making a Co-op shooter is trend chasing? Other people being wrong don't automatically make you right.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Because making a Co-op shooter is trend chasing? Other people being wrong don't automatically make you right.

Do you really think it was luck that PlayStation backed a studio with co-op experience over one making JRPGs, music rhythm games, RTSs, or puzzle ganes?

Certainly not.

 

[Mossybrew]

MIB got a real bee in his bonnet bout this game.

 

[Danjin44]

Do you really think it was luck that PlayStation backed a studio with co-op experience over one making JRPGs, music rhythm games, RTSs, or puzzle ganes?

In your mind gaming industry should only makes games thats popular and trendy?

That fucking miserable, you literally want suck all the fun out of video game industry.....seriously WTF is wrong with you?

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

In your mind gaming industry should only makes games thats popular and trendy?

That fucking miserable, you literally want suck all the fun out of video game industry.....seriously WTF is wrong with you?

Wrong AGAIN my dear friend.

You always have to measure your capabilities with what you want to do. Large, capable, ambitious publishers should focus on healthy genres and leave the smaller targets to the rest of the industry.

Obviously, a small team may be better suited to make a JRPG for example.

 

[Tomeru]

This is a 0/2 from Men_in_Boxes on HD2.

Will the trend continue?

 

[nial]

Do you really think it was luck that PlayStation backed a studio with co-op experience over one making JRPGs, music rhythm games, RTSs, or puzzle ganes?

Certainly not.

I hope you realize that Sony is publishing a big Japanese RPG next month.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I hope you realize that Sony is publishing a big Japanese RPG next month.

"Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is an upcoming action role-playing game developed and published by Square Enix."

 

[Guilty_AI]

Obviously, a small team may be better suited to make a JRPG for example.

Didn't a big gacha game company released a JRPG just last month?

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Back 4 Blood
Redfall
Strange Brigade
Payday 3
World War Z
Darktide
Vermintide

Among countless indie and PC only games that chased the trend and failed. What HD2 proved is good games at a good price will sell.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Back 4 Blood
Redfall
Strange Brigade
Payday 3
World War Z
Darktide
Vermintide

Among countless indie and PC only games that chased the trend and failed. What HD2 proved is good games at a good price will sell.

Barry Bonds career batting average is .298

Hit rate my friend. Hit rate.

 

[nial]

"Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is an upcoming action role-playing game developed and published by Square Enix."

I said next month.

Rise of the Rōnin is an upcoming action-role playing video game developed by Koei Tecmo's Team Ninja and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment. The game is scheduled to release for the PlayStation 5 on March 22, 2024.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I said next month.

I guess I should have said "traditionally JRPG" instead. Rise of the Ronin looks more like Ghost of Tsushima/Elden Ring to me.

 

[nial]

I guess I should have said "traditionally JRPG" instead. Rise of the Ronin looks more like Ghost of Tsushima/Elden Ring to me.

You're moving the goalposts, dude.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I mean HD1 is a thing right? HD2 is an iteration of that base.

for what i have seen I would say that is the opposite, they approached the "chasing trends" in their own way not just copy-paste.q

Exactly this.

Helldivers is a hit because it does the opposite of Ubisofting copy/pasting any current formula.

Besides, this game is an iteration of what they have been doing for years.

Haven and London Studio, on the other hand...

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

You're moving the goalposts, dude.

Nah, I just mistyped. My point hasn't moved one iota.

 

[Fafalada]

May this be a lesson to those who say publishers shouldn't "chase trends". No, they actually should.

In last month+ we also got Palworld and Suicide Squad - so that's 2 for 3 as far as 'trend chasing works' this year. I'd argue you need a larger sample than - 3 - to argue your point though.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

In last month+ we also got Palworld and Suicide Squad - so that's 2 for 3 as far as 'trend chasing works' this year. I'd argue you need a larger sample than - 3 - to argue your point though.

I think if you look at the last 10+ years, you'll see the co-op genre outperforms many others.

 

[Audiophile]

setting trends with good execution > chasing trends with good execution >> setting trends with bad execution >>>> chasing trends with bad execution

 

[clarky]

We're truly blessed with all these Men in Boxes threads

Just waiting for Men-in-boxes-to-start-chasing-trends-and-becoming-They-in-Boxes.