James Sawyer Ford
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PS5 was discounted?
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PS5 was discounted?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
$199 isn't that expensive all things considering.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
For reference, here are the April 2017 NPD numbers:
PS4: 206k
XBO: 110k
NSW: 280k
PS5 continues to outperform PS4 in the US, while XBS is holding up well compared to XBO (just ~5k units below). And as for the Switch, well, we all know what's happening there.
leo-j
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switch is finally really slowing down, i know nintendo is pushing for a next year release for switch 2 to take that best selling video game console crown from playstation, but seeing as it is probably around 140-141 million, and knowing how nintendo hardware tends to drop like a rock, It may cap out around 150 million.
MikeM
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Sony is all about getting thicc margins now. I’d say price drops are never gonna happen except for rare occurrences.
XXL
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tkscz
Member
In dollar sales. With it being $200, that makes sense that it would be making more money than any other accessory. If the PS5 controller at $70 sold 10,000 units in April, the Portal could sell 4,000 units and still make $100k more than the 10,000 controllers. This doesn't mean it's successful or failed, we'd have to wait for some sort of official announcement for that. Just that, at it's price, you'd be hard set to find an accessory making more money.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
THIS!!! I don't know how many video game media members said the PS Portal was worthless and a waste of time. Clearly they were wrong!
It's still insane to me that the PS5 is selling 70% of all HD consoles, whereas the Xbox is selling at 30%. In Xbox's home country. This was unthinkable in the X360 era.
I hate that you are right on this. But you are correct. Sony isn't going to drop the price until PS5 Pro is released. And even then, they may not drop the OG PS5 price.
And so for the year of 2024, the PS5 is at 69% and the Xbox Series is at 31% in America. Insane!
Isn't the bolded the point? Considering it's a companion device and not a standalone device.........It allows people to play their PS5 more often (keeping them more engaged) and makes Sony more revenue. I'd be super shocked if they aren't making a profit on each PS Portal sold also.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
MW3 and Spider-Man 2 bundles were still being discounted in April. the normal SKU's were full price.
midnightAI
Member
I was being pedantic really, as there are a few people on here wanting it, willing it, to fail
I'm sure it's not a flop as far as Sony is concerned as it was sold out for ages meaning it's likely outselling Sonys expected sell through (or they'd have made more)
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I mean I don't always enjoy being right either. Maybe something people don't realize.
It's just not logical for Sony to drop the price.
Between Q4 (calendar) 2024 and Q1 (calendar) 2026, Sony will probably sell anywhere from 30-40 million units. Would Sony rather sell those at base or for 100 dollars less...
That's 3-4 billion dollars, for what? To sell 5 million more units? 10 million more units, that just increases their losses. I'm not sure it makes much sense. Maybe if PS5 sales really crater they'll be forced to, but I think they'll just try to manage that with temporary promotions rather than fixing the price lower.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Yeah just saw this.
I found this graph for NPD results:
I trust VG Sales way more than VG Chartz, just FYI.
Anyway, if this is accurate and what Mat is saying is accurate, then Xbox Series sales in NA right now are probably ~ 14.5 million at least, going by his "slightly behind" (I think anything greater than 500K would be more than "slightly" but that's maybe just me). It could be 14.8 million or 14.9 million in NA though, who knows.
What is a bit interesting in that case, though, is that the U.S might account for a bit over 55% of total Xbox Series sales. I figure Xbox Series was at ~ 26.2 million by end of March, and I doubt they have sold any great number of systems since then (a safe guess for current figure would probably be something like 26.6 million). So assuming they're only "slightly behind" Xbox 360, something like 14.8 million in the U.S seems possible.
I'm curious how much Canada, Mexico, Brazil and the UK contribute towards total Xbox Series sales though; they are kind of the only other major territories for Microsoft.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I wish those "temporary" promotions could happen every other month.
DeadOblivion78
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This guy is just another TheQuartering/Heelvsbabyface clone who panders to the lowest common denominator and doesn't have an original thought at all.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
jm89
Member
They love applying xbox problems to playstation.And yet people keep saying consoles are dying.
The major region were ps5 is behind ps4 is Europe.
And the 2 major factors have nothing to do with consoles dying. Rather the price and casuals hanging onto consoles longer due to alot of gaas games still on/coming out to last gen consoles.
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Jaybe
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Now just imagine what these numbers would be if PS5 wasn’t supplied constrained for its first two years or Xbox didn’t have a budget console
Pelta88
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This, in their home territory?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
TBF I don't think Review Tech is steeped into the culture war BS like those dudes are (I could be wrong; I haven't watched Review Tech stuff in ages). I'd put him closer to being like a Fritinga or Griffin Gaming type, just more console-focused and less PCMR.
Yeah it's terrible. If my idea that the US is roughly 55% of total sales holds true, then statistically it's possible that worldwide Xbox Series sold less than 200K units that month.
Which, if my guess of them being at ~ 26.2 million sold-through by end of CY Q1 holds mostly accurate, would put their global sales at a bit under 26.4 million by the start of this month.
Not too bad, but not great.
No wonder Microsoft are looking into more full-on multiplatform publishing.
For reference, here are the April 2017 NPD numbers:
PS4: 206k
XBO: 110k
NSW: 280k
PS5 continues to outperform PS4 in the US, while XBS is holding up well compared to XBO (just ~5k units below). And as for the Switch, well, we all know what's happening there.
Ah this is helpful. I thought Mat was referring to lifetime though when speaking of PS5 & Series pacing vs PS4 & XBO in the US market though. Maybe he meant month-over-month?
Wish I could find some hard numbers for XBO lifetime by May 2017 in the U.S. Could give a definitive estimate on Series US sales up to this point. I still think ~ 14.8 million in US is a fair estimate if "slightly behind" is referring to lifetime sales in the territory.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
If you're asking about XBS sales performance this month, I made another post here with a bit more context.
For reference, here are the April 2017 NPD numbers:
PS4: 206k
XBO: 110k
NSW: 280k
PS5 continues to outperform PS4 in the US, while XBS is holding up well compared to XBO (just ~5k units below). And as for the Switch, well, we all know what's happening there.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It’s wild that the number one selling game didn’t crack the top ten most played titles for the month.
Woopah
Member
This month's YoY decline is due to the TOTK OLED, but yes I do think Nintendo should and will do a price cut in 2024.
How are you calculating the US being 20% of Xbox Series figures?Yeah just saw this.
I found this graph for NPD results:
I trust VG Sales way more than VG Chartz, just FYI.
Anyway, if this is accurate and what Mat is saying is accurate, then Xbox Series sales in NA right now are probably ~ 14.5 million at least, going by his "slightly behind" (I think anything greater than 500K would be more than "slightly" but that's maybe just me). It could be 14.8 million or 14.9 million in NA though, who knows.
What is a bit interesting in that case, though, is that the U.S might account for just 20% of total Xbox Series sales. I figure Xbox Series was at ~ 26.2 million by end of March, and I doubt they have sold any great number of systems since then (a safe guess for current figure would probably be something like 26.6 million). So assuming they're only "slightly behind" Xbox 360, something like 14.8 million in the U.S seems possible.
I'm curious how much Canada, Mexico, Brazil and the UK contribute towards total Xbox Series sales though; they are kind of the only other major territories for Microsoft.
Aenima
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Stellar Blade released at 26th April, so you are comparing the montly active users of a game that was available for 5 days, against games that was available for 30 days.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
For that specific chart, it's because Aveum was added to both PS+ and GP.
Regardless, Rebirth has completely dropped out of the top 20 sales. I think at this point it's very safe to say that it's bombed.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It was a mistake on my end. Edited to give actual percentage. U.S is closer to ~ 55% total Xbox Series sales (assuming worldwide figures up to this point are between 26 - 27 million (closer to the lower end IMO).
It's a JRPG and those games tend to be very frontloaded. Also what is this obsession with
I can probably ask that question about a Steam port too, although it'd contribute to a bigger sales boost than Xbox. Just nowhere near big enough relative the install base of that platform.
Realistically only a Switch port would give a huge boon in sales, but that system is way too weak for a port of Rebirth. Switch 2 is the next-best bet but sales of a port there will be limited by the fact it's starting from zero vs. PS5's 60+ million install base.
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Pasta la Vista
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Bought both Stellar Blade and Sea of Thieves this month. Still playing Helldivers a few times a week as well, great game, something I can see myself always coming back to for years. Sea of thieves is okay, but I'm already starting to get a bit bored with it, been playing it with some coworkers.
Angry_Megalodon
Banned
After selling a few million already. Rebirth is not Spiderman or Mario Kart. They have achieved near their realistic expectations and will likely surpass them on PC , but won't ever sell as GOW or even Horizon Zero Dawn.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It doesn't have to match Spider-Man or Mario Kart, but it looks like it's not matching VII Remake or XVI either, at its current pace. Looking at the scope, it's likely a more expensive game to make than VII-R was, and it performing worse is going to effect SE more. You can already see that in how quickly they committed to a fully multi-platform development pipeline after Rebirth, and how they still haven't put out "we have shipped x million units" kind of PR. They had that out for XVI in less than a week.
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Pop
Member
Why the gifFallout 4 and Fallout 76 are going to be so many peoples’ first experience of the franchise.
At least it only goes up from there.
They're good games now. Your misconception is years old
Mr.Phoenix
Member
yazenov
Member
No, it's not safe to say it bombed. It's number 5 in the YTD charts. For a JRPG exclusive to 1 platform, it's great actually.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It had a decent first month but has dropped out of the top 20 charts, replaced by year(s) old games instead. Doesn't look like it has legs and will probably be much lower, or even out, of the top 10 YTD games in the next couple of months as more big games start coming out. But that's just the US, it's also similarly out of all charts and/or is selling lower than XVI comparatively in EU and Japan as well.
It's a shame as other than some story related griefs, I enjoyed my time with the game.
yazenov
Member
It's very normal for JRPGs to drop off after the 1st month. Check the history of the majority of games in the same genre. Nice try.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I would agree with you in 80% of the cases, but we're not talking about a normal JRPG. This is Final Fantasy, and the middle part of the remake of *the* most well known FF game.
At this rate the third game in the franchise will sell even less.
Steam release late Summer should help claw back a few more million.
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He just had to get that in there. After touting #2 (SoT) sales as amazing this month.
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kazuyamishima
Member
As console going for its 8th year, 130k are alright, but a 69% decline YoY is somehow a collapse.
Days of play will have both editions at $50 off so will see if June means a significant increase for PS5.
Days of play will have both editions at $50 off so will see if June means a significant increase for PS5.
Imtjnotu
Member
Bro I don't like me either
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Helldivers 2 has got some nice yams.
I think at this point it's very safe to say that in comparison with Hellblade 2 Rebirth sold amazing.
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JackMcGunns
Member
Nice to see Sea of Thieves getting the love it deserves.