Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Thought you were talking about Horizon. Then yes, a roguelike sci-fi shooter is definitely niche.
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Horizon: Forbidden West releases on Steam with lower player count than Horizon: Zero Dawn
Wildebeest
Member
Needed a dryer launch window considering it is up against Dragons Dogma 2 which looks more like a PC game and is new.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
In other words...
"If no other players outside our ecosystem can play our games, they won't find out how mediocre our games really are"
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Yeah, but they never got the starring role until now.
lol go play some more starfart, clownIn other words...
"If no other players outside our ecosystem can play our games, they won't find out how mediocre our games really are"
PixelatedBeast
Member
Anybody saying the game is not good or "more of the same" clearly havent played it, or are just disingenuous in their criticism. Everything in this game has been improved since the first entry; melee combat has more depth and combos, side quest are better and rival main missions, traversal and flying added with a cloud system that is exclusive to ps5 and pc versions, more weapons and combat mechanics than the first game, under water exploration added, has no MTX and facial animations put 90% of the industry to shame.
This is just another circle jerk thread to parade around the "sales failure" of a game people with conservative views call woke, despite this franchise having more than 30 million copies sold. An original character, with an original story and gameplay mechanic, yet on Gaf, it's just a Ubisoft clone. You may not like the game, but it's far from a bad game.
Nobody has articulated what they dont like about the game specifically. Just vague terms used by people to hide the hate boner for an franchise thats been used as console war bait to pivot against other games because of its exclusivity.
This is just another circle jerk thread to parade around the "sales failure" of a game people with conservative views call woke, despite this franchise having more than 30 million copies sold. An original character, with an original story and gameplay mechanic, yet on Gaf, it's just a Ubisoft clone. You may not like the game, but it's far from a bad game.
Nobody has articulated what they dont like about the game specifically. Just vague terms used by people to hide the hate boner for an franchise thats been used as console war bait to pivot against other games because of its exclusivity.
Yet a lot people are still begging for a Soulsborne remake from 2009, and a game from 2015 and to be ported over from the ps4. So that's false.
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Salty Popsicle
Banned
Salty Popsicle
Banned
It's only acceptable around these parts when it's an Xbox title like Starfield being scrutinized. Anything from Sony studios is holy Grail apparently and should be given a pass.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Tell PlayStation owners to buy more of these exclusives then. Sony has already determined that money coming in from console owners is not enough. Can't blame Sony for looking for revenue elsewhere when Sony boys react like this when a new Sony IP launches...
DeadOblivion78
Banned
Nah it’s a bunch of snowflakes on spring break, I would ignore those cry babies.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Pretty sure when people were asking them to move on a decade ago, they meant move on to a new IP that can top Killzone. Nothing about the Horizon franchise has come close to the highs of Killzone 1 or 2. In fact, most would probably argue Horizon is by far a less interesting IP.
Spyxos
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Krappadizzle
Member
I'm gonna buy Ghosts of Tsushima day 1 full price. I can't wait for that game and I already bought it for PS4.
I think in regards to Horizon, I just don't think the IP is as exciting in general. I bought it twice, once for PS4 and again for PC and it cemented that it's just not a game that I like as much as I want to like.
Chris_Rivera
Member
It’s not surprising. The game wasn’t received as well as the first, lot of rehashing of the same crap.
BacklashWave534
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LectureMaster
Gold Member
I mean if TLOU Part I only had 36000+ peak, there really aren't much to complain about HFW's launch performance.
Little Chicken
Gold Member
Still surprised by how little Demon's Souls managed to sell.
Was not the ace Sony thought it was going to be. Probably would've sold 5x that on PC.
Fess
Member
Holy…
I’m in Plainsong now
12 hours in. I’m enjoying this a ton tbh.
But as with the first one it still pisses me off that they’ve included human fights. Major missed opportunity to make it a 16+ game for no reason, the human fights are super boring and with those you can’t play it with younger kids. And it really is the ultimate kids game up to the point with the embassy. Dinosaurs and robots. Perfect combo.
I’m in Plainsong now
12 hours in. I’m enjoying this a ton tbh.
But as with the first one it still pisses me off that they’ve included human fights. Major missed opportunity to make it a 16+ game for no reason, the human fights are super boring and with those you can’t play it with younger kids. And it really is the ultimate kids game up to the point with the embassy. Dinosaurs and robots. Perfect combo.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
When did Sony expect Demons Souls to be a massive seller? It was a niche 2009 remake.
It was meant to excite the hardcore on launch day for PS5
It would not have sold 5X on PC.
diffusionx
Gold Member
It was a launch game on a heavily supply constrained system. A lot of us ended up grabbing it though.
//DEVIL//
Member
I am very happy and glad it didn't sell well.
This will go one of 4 ways
1- Sony realize their greed isn't working and they shouldn't charge that much for an old game.
2- they realize that PC gamers aren't into their woke shit and we don't want that fat bitch.
3- they stop porting games to PC and this makes the PlayStation more desirable. At the end of the day. This is what killed the Xbox and instead of Sony learning from this, decided to be follow MS steps and you can already see the PlayStation is not meeting sales expectations. The only reason the sales didn't flat out is because of the 1 to 2 years console exclusivity
4- they keep being idiots and blame low sales on gamers because people in the management are morons and clearly none of them thinking of long term. They all think of their financial quarter sales.
Whatever they go for . I am happy
This will go one of 4 ways
1- Sony realize their greed isn't working and they shouldn't charge that much for an old game.
2- they realize that PC gamers aren't into their woke shit and we don't want that fat bitch.
3- they stop porting games to PC and this makes the PlayStation more desirable. At the end of the day. This is what killed the Xbox and instead of Sony learning from this, decided to be follow MS steps and you can already see the PlayStation is not meeting sales expectations. The only reason the sales didn't flat out is because of the 1 to 2 years console exclusivity
4- they keep being idiots and blame low sales on gamers because people in the management are morons and clearly none of them thinking of long term. They all think of their financial quarter sales.
Whatever they go for . I am happy
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Bullshit it is. Xbox was falling long before porting their games.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I just checked with someone and they don't care. I hope you feel good about this while living your real life and being a bad ass here. I was afraid of posting this and had to talk to my lawyer. I went all out and have my legal fees ready to be covered.
Kokoloko85
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It was considered a success. Maybe not a 5-10+million plus seller or ground breaking but good enough for Sony.Can't say for sure, but as far as we know Returnal flopped on PS5 and than flopped on PC. I posted the numbers, ifKokoloko85 could find where is the profit in that numbers I'll glad to confirm what he did.
Sony Considers Housemarque's Returnal a 'Mega Hit' - PlayStation LifeStyle
According the the PlayStation Studios site, Sony considers Housemarque's PS5-exclusive Returnal a "mega hit."
www.playstationlifestyle.net
The insomniac leaks showed something like 1.1million sales? Alot of those images were taken down. Just like it showed R&C sold over 2million.
The game didnt cost too much to make. 20-30Million from what I remember.
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TheloniusFabdul
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I may pick it up eventually just for that reason.
Most of my playthrough of the first one was
Spent taking photos.
WitchHunter
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Look, numbers! The hollowed out ones watch the numbarz. It's lower than last time. This means there is a problemz somewhere. Things need to change, more intravenous money needed.Yesterday was the official launch of Horizon Forbidden West: Complete Edition on PC, which is now available through Steam and the Epic Games Store, but the game had a poor launch on Steam. According to data shared by SteamDB, Horizon Forbidden West: Complete Edition reached a peak of 25,258 simultaneous players 16 hours ago (the number may rise over the weekend).
With this result, Horizon Forbidden West: Complete Edition failed to beat the first game, Horizon Zero Dawn: Complete Edition, which registered 56,557 simultaneous players at launch. Forbidden West was even behind Days Gone, with 27,450.
On the other hand, Horizon Forbidden West: Complete Edition managed to beat Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves, which had 10,851 simultaneous players at launch.
//DEVIL//
Member
No it wasn't. The 360 was at its prime. And people bought Xbox for titan fall 1.
But the Xbox one it self was a disaster. And they had to give up Kinect instead of sticking to their guns. The result was a broken promise of console that is weaker than the PS4.
Yes they did shitty moves. But people were super excited about the first titan fall. Fuck I bought an Xbox one for that game.
But when they started with PC game day one. That was it. People started not give a fuck about Xbox and many people Xbox one was their last console or even sold it .
Xbox would sell so much more if their games was console exclusive. Imagine all their games on Xbox only with game pass and no PC. ... Yeah .. anyway.
I can't tell what is worse . Don with his stupid ideas about the Xbox becoming your TV, or Phil making MS almost a third party company and Xbox is irrelevant
Kokoloko85
Member
I think 3 years later they have sold closer to 1.1million From the leaks I remember seeing.
Still a profit, not saying its a great sales, but not a failure
Fake
Member
Nothing you said proved that the game made 'profit'.
Legs was extreme poor and got discounts pretty quickly.
Kokoloko85
Member
And nothing you showed has proved it was a flop despite Sony saying it was a success and buying the studio.
People guess the game cost between 10-30million max to make. So selling roughly 1.1 million between $70-40 dollars would be a rough guess that it didnt lose money.
Ill take Sony’s word saying it was a hit, over yours saying it was a flop. Pretty sure the Insomniac leaks said that all the games apart from Destruction All stars made a profit
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
They are a small studio.
Compare Returnal's sales to their previous game efforts - they are quite a bit better.
You can't judge a game based on sales alone without factoring in cost, you are just wildly speculating. As if Returnal is somehow supposed to sell on the same level as Spider-Man. It's not.
Fake
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I posted what was leaked. And we have steam sales between 500k.
All PS First Party Sales Figured LEAKED! Days Gone and Bloodborne 7.5 Million. DriveClub 5 million.
The greatest leak of all time. insane sales for Days gone and DriveClub. I dont understand Sony. According to this reddit comment the cutoff date for this sales data is last week of Feb 2022!
And Sony never told what was the cost production of Returnal. They never do. Everything is flowers on their blog.
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Kokoloko85
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Roughly a million or over for Returnal sales.I posted what was leaked. And we have steam sales between 500k.
All PS First Party Sales Figured LEAKED! Days Gone and Bloodborne 7.5 Million. DriveClub 5 million.
The greatest leak of all time. insane sales for Days gone and DriveClub. I dont understand Sony. According to this reddit comment the cutoff date for this sales data is last week of Feb 2022!www.neogaf.com
And Sony never told what was the cost production of Returnal. They never do. Everything is flowers on their blog.
Nowhere shows it was a flop.
Housemarque team ended with 80 members, it had a short full time production of 18 months supposedly.
Sony doesnt always come and say things are a hit, plus they purchased them soon after.
Neither has “proof”, Sony saying its a success and the rough numbers is good enough for me
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Dirk Benedict
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I'm going to playthrough this on the hardest difficulty and probably touch it again to finish the achievements. I won't after that, unless to show it off to some friends or whatever. It's not a bad game, it's just, the dialogue, the story(somewhat, I've beaten the first so I am continuing from that one) It's been this huge graphical + Gameplay showcase and I'm playing through it slowly, just to enjoy it.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Yeah and that was when things went off the rails. 2011-2012.
No, it started way back in 2011 when they stopped making games to chase Nintendo’s casual gamers. Following that, all they did was talk about the Kinect and movies. E3 2013 was a travesty and Don Mattrick quite literally told people to go buy the Xbox 360 instead of the X1. They gifted Sony the win on a silver platter.
Halo 5 was an Xbox One exclusive and utterly failed to move the needle whereas Halo 3 is still the best-selling Halo to date. Nothing to do with PC.
All of their games? What games? They had fuck-all for years. When is the last time that Microsoft produced a legitimate GOTY contender? They always had presentations with promises of big games but never delivered. List me all of their games from 2012 until now and have a laugh. A bunch of mediocre trash. You can count the good stuff practically on one hand.
They wouldn’t have sold much more because their exclusives weren’t good to begin with. If anything, selling games on PC let them recoup their investments.
How about not having a steady supply of good games for over a decade?
You made up this narrative in your head that porting their games to PC killed Xbox when the descent had begun 5 years before this. Microsoft started porting their games to PC in 2016. The wheels had fallen off way before that. The PC ports were seen as a solution to a failing business, they weren’t the cause.
In 2023, Nintendo had TOTK and Sony had Spider-Man 2, but it was totally the PC ports, gaiz! The Xbox One would have sold twice as many units if people had bought it to play...hum...mmmhh...Crackdown 3? Microsoft had Redfall: trash. Forza Motorsport: trash. Starfield: trash.
As for Playstation? Lol. I swear you guys never bother looking at the numbers. They started porting their games in 2020 and what has come out since then despite people knowing PC ports were coming? TLOU Part II that outpaces the original. HFW that sold as quickly as the original. GOWR that outpaces the 2018 game. Spider-Man 2 that has become their fastest-selling game to date. The PS5 was selling quicker than the PS4 even with supply constraints. Sony's PC ports initiative hasn't damaged them in the slightest. They have nothing to learn from Microsoft besides: don't make shit games for over ten years. Sony has clearly explained why they're porting their games to PC a few years later with how budgets have ballooned up. The talk about Xbox is a non-starter because their games haven't been good for a long time. This has been the problem, not Game Pass, not the Day 1 PC ports, not even Don Mattrick who did hurt the brand but not 10 years following his departure.
Reality and cold hard numbers completely go against what you're saying.
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Fess
Member
Come on Aloy is not fat. Go play the game.
Anyway Sony bought Nixxes to do PC ports so they’re fairly invested I’d say, pulling out now seems highly unlikely.
And concurrent player numbers on Forbidden West has been going up every day since release, 35k last 24 hours. I think it’s above everything they’ve released except Spider-Man, God of War and Zero Dawn. Much talked about Rift Apart peaked at 8k.
But there will be no Helldivers 2 numbers, which was there day 1 and is selling more on PC than Playstation. That will be in talks among the suits I’m sure.
Also, you say you’re happy but you don’t sound happy. Go play the game. Enjoy the visuals. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen better game visuals on my TV. Feels incredibly fresh when it’s so punchy with the colors.
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Midn1ght
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HFW reached 35,168 yesterday which makes it higher than Days Gone (27,450). Could go slightly up again today to pass The Last of Us (36,496) and become the 4th highest ATP for a Sony single player game. I know it doesn't reflect sales but it's not bad to be honest, I expected less. Releasing a quality and scalable port does make a difference, good job Nixxes.
blue velvet
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Guerrilla is a mediocre dev let's be honest here, their best game imo is Killzone Liberation on PSP. They're a technical powerhouse and have one of the best engine in the industry but their games are so mid. I've played the first Horizon game on PC and got bored after a few hours. A generic ubisoft open world inspired slop has no staying power.
darrylgorn
Member
It just doesn't look very interesting and that's probably why it didn't sell much.
Gudji
Member
Well talk about being delusional.Pretty sure when people were asking them to move on a decade ago, they meant move on to a new IP that can top Killzone. Nothing about the Horizon franchise has come close to the highs of Killzone 1 or 2. In fact, most would probably argue Horizon is by far a less interesting IP.
Senua
Gold Member
Who knew Killzone 1 had highsPretty sure when people were asking them to move on a decade ago, they meant move on to a new IP that can top Killzone. Nothing about the Horizon franchise has come close to the highs of Killzone 1 or 2. In fact, most would probably argue Horizon is by far a less interesting IP.
Fess
Member
It’s at the top of the best seller list for single player-only games right now, and concurrent players are moving up, higher low for the 4th day in a row, going to push it’s peak number up again today. It’s doing fine. I’m about to jump in again, all I’ve been playing since it’s release. Nixxes are porting gods
You're an idiot and you're acting like the "snowflakes" you probably hate.Woke games are not exactly hot shit these days. Also:
Complistic
Member
I'll re buy it and play it again, but not for full price.
M1987
Member
It's huge
Fess
Member
It has fairly good sized biomes. Big enough that I want a mount to get around faster and small enough that I haven’t bothered using fast travel yet.