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[Gaiff]

So, Amazon had two different models, Arc A580 and Arc B580, and both were taken down. Previous rumors suggest that it was either Black Friday or early 2025, but it seems that around Black Friday is more likely. Those could be good budget GPUs.

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[LordCBH]

I wonder how that B580 compares to my ancient ass 2080super

 

[Soodanim]

There is a lot of room for disruption in the lower end, and people are begging for it. If Intel are the ones to do it and give NVidia and AMD a kick up the arse, so be it. I welcome the competition.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

This is their big opportunity, I'd really like to see some competition in the low end. AMD has been content to languish and let Nvidia gouge the high end, where they put in a middling effort and price their offerings a bit lower (but not low enough to ever be a worthy value). If Intel puts pressure on the mid-low range, I might actually upgrade my PC.

 

[SABRE220]

Please be good amd has thrown in the towel and we desperately need some competition. Amd is happy to gouge customers for nvidias scraps in the mid end and this would be a massive opportunity for intel.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Problem with Graphics cards is, I only have one gaming computer and it only has one GPU.
They need to bring back the concept of SLI where you can buy multiple cards when you get a payday to afford them.
Otherwise, I'm not looking at the low end for my 1 GPU slot.
Hey gaming industry, I got a motherboard with a slot that sits there doing nothing.
Yay? Nay?

 

[kevboard]

let's hope Battlemage is actually good, and that Nvidia finally has some competition.

if they got the drivers to a point where everything just works, and got the performance of a 4070ti at a low price, maybe Nvidia will actually care about reasonable pricing for their RTX50 cards

 

[LordOfChaos]

I hope for the best for Intel GPUs. They're our only hope for breaking the duopoly and reinvigorating the market, and frankly Nvidia has been so far ahead that they've been logged into their smurfing account competing with AMD

 

[//DEVIL//]

pcie gen 5 interface...... why ?

 

[ahtlas7]

Please be good. We need a strong Intel again but they must earn it.

 

[Goalus]

Launch on Black Friday == straight to the bargain bin?

 

[Bojji]

pcie gen 5 interface...... why ?

And x8, WTF?

 

[winjer]

pcie gen 5 interface...... why ?

Because it's cheaper to have a newer gen with higher bandwidth per lane, than to have more PCIe lanes with an older gen.

 

[STARSBarry]

I wonder how that B580 compares to my ancient ass 2080super

Honestly I would be surprised if its much better. ARC is really focusing on the entry level the 2080 Super might be old but it was the second post powerful card 2 gets ago (soon to be 3) and the last ARC's where shy of beating it last time.

Unless there is a significant 40-50% jump compared to ARC's last gen i won't be a worthwhile update, as you lose access to DLSS.

 

[Mr Moose]

pcie gen 5 interface...... why ?

Isn't that the same bandwitdh as 4x16? butwhy.gif
Wait, does that mean it'll be 4x8 if you're on a 4 board?

 

[Xyphie]

I wonder how that B580 compares to my ancient ass 2080super

This is the lower-end chip which is like a 4060-class competitor or so, so it's not really going to be much better than a 2080S if at all. The high-end chip should be around a 4070 or so.

 

[Bojji]

Isn't that the same bandwitdh as 4x16? butwhy.gif
Wait, does that mean it'll be 4x8 if you're on a 4 board?

Yep, But for GPU of this class x8 shouldn't be the issue I guess?

 

[Skifi28]

Problem with Graphics cards is, I only have one gaming computer and it only has one GPU.
They need to bring back the concept of SLI where you can buy multiple cards when you get a payday to afford them.
Otherwise, I'm not looking at the low end for my 1 GPU slot.
Hey gaming industry, I got a motherboard with a slot that sits there doing nothing.
Yay? Nay?

It's a great concept in theory, but way too many issues to be solved for it to work properly. I'd expect console manufacturers to have a GPU expansion slot before anyone dares bring it back on PC.

 

[LordCBH]

Honestly I would be surprised if its much better. ARC is really focusing on the entry level the 2080 Super might be old but it was the second post powerful card 2 gets ago (soon to be 3) and the last ARC's where shy of beating it last time.

Unless there is a significant 40-50% jump compared to ARC's last gen i won't be a worthwhile update, as you lose access to DLSS.

This is the lower-end chip which is like a 4060-class competitor or so, so it's not really going to be much better than a 2080S if at all. The high-end chip should be around a 4070 or so.

The banks. I’ll just hold out for either a 4070 or a 4080 and then.

 

[Holammer]

I was Battlemage curious ages ago when they first started talking about them. It felt like a good potential low-cost upgrade for my 1080. A friend called me and idiot for even considering it, because I'm very likely going to need CUDA for a hypothetical Switch 2 emulator. Can't argue with that.

 

[Zathalus]

It would make for an interesting twist if Intel has GPUs on the market vs AMD for the next year while having the worse CPUs. Not saying that would happen but it is an amusing thought.

Unlikely to happen, in order to match the 7900 XTX they have to have a 2.5x performance uplift.

 

[marjo]

Why does the card with more memory have less memory bandwidth?

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Why does the card with more memory have less memory bandwidth?

I am not super up to date on all the rumored specs, but my best guess is it could be:

1. Battlemage is supposed to have some improvements in memory compression, for better utilization of fewer hardware resources.

2. The B580 is a cut down/binned version of the flagship Battlemage chip that will have more bandwidth and a larger bus.

3. Both of the above.

 

[Xyphie]

Why does the card with more memory have less memory bandwidth?

Narrower memory bus, but the newer card uses more dense memory chips.

A580 - 256-bit GDDR6, 8x1GB
B580 - 192-bit GDDR6, 6x2GB

 

[Silver Wattle]

That naming scheme is rubbish, so many people are not going to know the difference between a and b.