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[nkarafo]

I would probably grab one if they didn't suck at legacy games.

I like new games but i also want to be able to play my old ones

 

[64bitmodels]

I would probably grab one if they didn't suck at legacy games.

I like new games but i also want to be able to play my old ones

the biggest issue for me!!!!

That being said for the Counterstrike/LOL/Dota types this is probably the best news since the release of the 1060. lol

 

[twilo99]

Yes but they must be loosing money or bast case breaking even

 

[lh032]

for now.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Yes but they must be loosing money or bast case breaking even

How do you know this?

 

[Kumomeme]

i hope this card will sold very well so it would push hand of AMD and Nvidia to release a good and affordable budget gpu.

this segment used to be great back then. but now, it is a dissapointment.

 

[IAmRei]

People sometimes need to understand, that not all people had the budget to reach all slidder to the right. It's not gamechanger for most. And most people are happy without too fancy graphic. And OP is right, more options in PC is the best reason why some are into PC rather that boast their super expensive setups.

For me, ReShade, Mods, and possibility to doing something in the option is what PC sets to differentiate, options.

 

[FireFly]

How do you know this?

The B580's die is 71% larger than the 4060's, with 4GB more memory, and yet the card costs at least $50 less. When asked about this on the HUB podcast, Intel's Tom Petersen responded that their GPU business is not currently profitable, but represents an investment in future profitability.

Essentially Intel are providing their cards at fire sale prices in order to gain a foothold in the market. If they gain sufficient market share and market presence, you would expect this strategy to go away.

 

[GymWolf]

They need to put out something high end, i don't give a damn about low tier cards.

Gimme an intel 5080 for 600-700 euros instead.

 

[SweetTooth]

thanks to the B580 you now can build a PC for around $600, that is right in-between the PS5 and PS5 Pro in terms of performance

Ryzen 3600, a cheap motherboard, 16GB DDR4 3200, Intel B580, 1 TB SSD and a cheap 700W PSU should all come out at around $580~$620
and raytracing performance as well as the AI upsampling should both help it punch above the PS5 in terms of image quality and performance in many games.

Great value Just like PS5Pro

 

[PeteBull]

Lets see who can even consider those lowrange(cant call them midrange coz we gonna get 50xx series card reveal from nvidia in few days) cards as a purchase option, obviously no1 with cards that are stronger, and no1 who is at roughly similar performance lvl either, so not 4060 owners, and not even 3060 owners, any1 who has weaker card than that, can.
According to steamsurvey we still got currently:
3,74% of gtx 1650 users
2,94% of rtx 3050 users
2,79% of rtx 2060 users
2,68% of gtx 1060 users
2,05% of old/lowend amd radeon users
2,02% of gtx 1050ti users
1,98% of gtx 1660 super users
1,95% of intel integrated gpu users(iris so relatively new)
1,37% of gtx 1660ti users
Other ones are below 1% or laptop gpus(including laptop integra gpu) so didnt count those, likely not the market for discrete pc rig gpu.
So close to 22% alltogether, hell lets bump it to 25% if we theoretically include other super old/lowend discrete cards.
Now from quarter of the market we gotta somehow convice those ppl to ugprade soon, and to intel, lets be generous and half of them decides to do so, thats 12,5% so 1/8th of the market goes to intel, aka close to nothing

TLDR: Best case scenario, in half a year to a year intel sits at 12% of market, the low end market at that so does close to nothing for marketing/mindshare.
Not saying it will be impossible, just path is rough
Basically this:

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

I hope it starts working. Nvidia is behaving like the classical monopoly giant.

 

[SweetTooth]

thanks to the B580 you now can build a PC for around $600, that is right in-between the PS5 and PS5 Pro in terms of performance

Ryzen 3600, a cheap motherboard, 16GB DDR4 3200, Intel B580, 1 TB SSD and a cheap 700W PSU should all come out at around $580~$620
and raytracing performance as well as the AI upsampling should both help it punch above the PS5 in terms of image quality and performance in many games.

Actually when you put it like this just highlight what a great value both PS5 and PS5Pro, for Pro you get a more capable machine with an added 1TB and a controller for $699

 

[twilo99]

How do you know this?

Speculation based on price compared to their competitors

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Plenty of idiots will buy Nvidia's next offering. I did so myself with the 4070 Super. Almost 700 euro for a 12 GB card. I'm sure the 5070 and 5080 will be even more expensive and still have very low amounts of VRAM. Maybe the more budget oriented cards offer some more performance if Intel's getting serious. AMD seems to have peaced out.

 

[Mattyp]

The B580's die is 71% larger than the 4060's, with 4GB more memory, and yet the card costs at least $50 less. When asked about this on the HUB podcast, Intel's Tom Petersen responded that their GPU business is not currently profitable, but represents an investment in future profitability.

Essentially Intel are providing their cards at fire sale prices in order to gain a foothold in the market. If they gain sufficient market share and market presence, you would expect this strategy to go away.

It’s not the cost of the card, it’s the R&D and tooling and creation and learning that cost billions before they make a profit.

With this learning and new knowledge invested price for the next generation comes down however.

This is what companies mean when a sector isn’t in the profit ‘yet’

 

[Codeblew]

Actually when you put it like this just highlight what a great value both PS5 and PS5Pro, for Pro you get a more capable machine with an added 1TB and a controller for $699

Plus, he didn't include a PC case in the price!

 

[FireFly]

It’s not the cost of the card, it’s the R&D and tooling and creation and learning that cost billions before they make a profit.

With this learning and new knowledge invested price for the next generation comes down however.

This is what companies mean when a sector isn’t in the profit ‘yet’

That's true however even AMD isn't offering close to comparable pricing with this class of card. So I suspect that ongoing R&D costs are significant even for established players.

 

[kevboard]

Actually when you put it like this just highlight what a great value both PS5 and PS5Pro, for Pro you get a more capable machine with an added 1TB and a controller for $699

there once was a time when a brand new console beat any PC on the market so easily that this wouldn't need to be pointed out.
now the console perfomance/cost value is only such a tiny bit better that it's apparently needed to point it out that it's still the case.

I remember when a $400 console was a better Power/Cost value than a $1000+ PC
now a $700 console is a better Power/Cost value than a $800 PC... and it only is that if you can live without a disc drive and do not want to use your existing disc copies anymore.

 

[SweetTooth]

there once was a time when a brand new console beat any PC on the market so easily that this wouldn't need to be pointed out.
now the console perfomance/cost value is only such a tiny bit better that it's apparently needed to point it out that it's still the case.

I remember when a $400 console was a better Power/Cost value than a $1000+ PC
now a $700 console is a better Power/Cost value than a $800 PC... and it only is that if you can live without a disc drive and do not want to use your existing disc copies anymore.

Yeah there was also a time when high end GPUs were $499 with %200 performance uplift over old gens. Now you spend $2000 for 20% gains.

Those times are behind us now.

 

[kevboard]

Yeah there was also a time when high end GPUs were $499 with %200 performance uplift over old gens. Now you spend $2000 for 20% gains.

Those times are behind us now.

yeah, but on the other hand, GPUs these days last way longer.
back in the early to mid 2000s you'd be lucky if your GPU could still play new games 3 or 4 years after you bought it. constantly changing APIs and shader models meant that a GPU could just literally not run new games after a few years.

now? if you bought a GTX1080ti 8 years ago, you can still play nearly every modern game at close to console quality.

 

[Crayon]

What company isn’t? EVERY company is after profit.

no gabe is my friend

 

[SweetTooth]

yeah, but on the other hand, GPUs these days last way longer.
back in the early to mid 2000s you'd be lucky if your GPU could still play new games 3 or 4 years after you bought it. constantly changing APIs and shader models meant that a GPU could just literally not run new games after a few years.

now? if you bought a GTX1080ti 8 years ago, you can still play nearly every modern game at close to console quality.

So does consoles. Games are still released on PS4. Switch lasted way too long for its hardware.

All what you said apply to consoles as well, let just accept the fact that diminishing returns has already hit the market for sometime now and big perceived leaps are a relic from the past just like cheap silicone

 

[SpokkX]

My expectation is for the B700 series.
Maybe RTX 4070 - 4080 performance, for under 500$.

In real world scenarios with ray tracing and using upscaling at dlss level?

 

[kevboard]

So does consoles. Games are still released on PS4. Switch lasted way too long for its hardware.

All what you said apply to consoles as well, let just accept the fact that diminishing returns has already hit the market for sometime now and big perceived leaps are a relic from the past just like cheap silicone

they now both last the same amount of time, and barely have a price difference.

back in the day consoles lasted longer while being significantly cheaper.

that's the difference here

 

[Danjin44]

no gabe is my friend

 

[Crayon]

 

[Danjin44]

 

[P:axMagellanic]

The B580's die is 71% larger than the 4060's, with 4GB more memory, and yet the card costs at least $50 less. When asked about this on the HUB podcast, Intel's Tom Petersen responded that their GPU business is not currently profitable, but represents an investment in future profitability.

Essentially Intel are providing their cards at fire sale prices in order to gain a foothold in the market. If they gain sufficient market share and market presence, you would expect this strategy to go away.

4060 is a xx50 series die.

 

[FireFly]

4060 is a xx50 series die.

The BOM is probably similar to or slightly higher than the 3050 (accounting for increased wafer costs on 5nm), which launched at $249. So my point still stands that Intel are selling a much bigger die with more memory into the same price bracket.