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[cormack12]

Mod edit: please note regarding the ps4/switch reference, the original article was updated to specify ps3 after the thread was started.



Source: https://web.archive.org/web/2024091...nYW1lLWdyYXBoaWNzLXJhY2U/c3JuZD11bmRlZmluZWQ=

The most striking thing about this week’s PlayStation 5 Pro reveal wasn’t the internal power or sticker price (although that one was pretty shocking). It was the games.

.....lead architect Mark Cerny showed footage of games including The Last of Us Part II, Ghost of Tsushima, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7. One common factor? They were all also released on PlayStation 4 — and look perfectly fine on the 2013 console.

Another common factor? They all have incredible graphics — despite most of the games being years old.

The PS5 has failed to beat the PS4’s growth and is lagging behind it on sales, at least in part because so many players are sticking with older, less graphically intensive games, such as Fortnite and Grand Theft Auto Online, that can be played on the old consoles. (An industry downturn and a lack of big-name exclusive games also don’t help.)

Meanwhile, the most popular console on the market is the Nintendo Switch, which has sold 143 million units despite having graphical capabilities equivalent to a PS4.

Its successor, expected to be released next year, will likely also be underpowered compared to its competitors — and will also likely outsell them all.

The PS5 Pro doesn’t feel like the console of the future — it feels like the vestige of a rapidly disappearing past.

 

[RoboFu]

It's true, which is why pc gaming is so great. You have a 60+ fps experiences at multiple different price ranges.

 

[Bartski]

The PS5 Pro doesn’t feel like the console of the future — it feels like the vestige of a rapidly disappearing past.

 

[Topher]

"Meanwhile, the most popular console on the market is the Nintendo Switch, which has sold 143 million units despite having graphical capabilities equivalent to a PS4."

 

[Punished Miku]

The PS5 Pro doesn’t feel like the console of the future — it feels like the vestige of a rapidly disappearing past.

I can definitely agree with that.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Those games looked really fine on PS4 Pro. All they needed was 60fps which PS5 delivered already. Besides, they're old. And Hogwarts doesn't even seem to do 60fps on PS5 Pro?

 

[Clear]

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/2024091...nYW1lLWdyYXBoaWNzLXJhY2U/c3JuZD11bmRlZmluZWQ=

The most striking thing about this week’s PlayStation 5 Pro reveal wasn’t the internal power or sticker price (although that one was pretty shocking). It was the games.

.....lead architect Mark Cerny showed footage of games including The Last of Us Part II, Ghost of Tsushima, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7. One common factor? They were all also released on PlayStation 4 — and look perfectly fine on the 2013 console.

Another common factor? They all have incredible graphics — despite most of the games being years old.

The PS5 has failed to beat the PS4’s growth and is lagging behind it on sales, at least in part because so many players are sticking with older, less graphically intensive games, such as Fortnite and Grand Theft Auto Online, that can be played on the old consoles. (An industry downturn and a lack of big-name exclusive games also don’t help.)

Meanwhile, the most popular console on the market is the Nintendo Switch, which has sold 143 million units despite having graphical capabilities equivalent to a PS4.

Its successor, expected to be released next year, will likely also be underpowered compared to its competitors — and will also likely outsell them all.

The PS5 Pro doesn’t feel like the console of the future — it feels like the vestige of a rapidly disappearing past.

Yawn. Another reliably idiotic take. Did PS4 have to contend with the disruption of a global pandemic in its launch year? Or the economic downturn that's followed the lockdowns? Does Switch doubling-up as mobile device not mean anything?

Seriously, Schreier just isn't trying. Stop giving this muppet attention.

 

[Rudius]

PS5 is behind PS4 in sales?

 

[SportsFan581]

It's news to me that the Switch is considered to be as powerful as a PS4. But that is splitting hairs.

There is just no way to deny the diminishing returns in regards to graphics at this point. I know some hate that thought, but it just seems to be a reality at this point. Maybe the first rounds of graphene gpus will shake that up.

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

That's why the Switch is winning but yea, the switch is not even close to the power of the base ps4

 

[diffusionx]

.....lead architect Mark Cerny showed footage of games including The Last of Us Part II, Ghost of Tsushima, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7. One common factor? They were all also released on PlayStation 4 — and look perfectly fine on the 2013 console.

He's not wrong on that. But like, if you talk about PC vidya on this forum, you'd think that 4090s are the most popular GPUs and poor people get 4070s. When in reality, people with 4070 and above discrete GPUs (70/80/90 and Supers) is something like ~5% of the GPU market if you go by the Steam hardware survey. The 3060 by itself has a larger share.

So that's just where we are at now. The PS5 Pro isn't for normies. I would suspect for many of them, a base PS4 is still fine, and that's great.

 

[Kacho]

Those games looked really fine on PS4 Pro. All they needed was 60fps which PS5 delivered already. Besides, they're old. And Hogwarts doesn't even seem to do 60fps on PS5 Pro?

The RT mode they used in the presentation is 30fps.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Handheld PC's (like the switch) are the future of gaming.

Magic Carpet
13Sep2024
Friday the 13th

 

[digital_ghost]

It's news to me that the Switch is considered to be as powerful as a PS4. But that is splitting hairs.

There is just no way to deny the diminishing returns in regards to graphics at this point. I know some hate that thought, but it just seems to be a reality at this point. Maybe the first rounds of graphene gpus will shake that up.

Its more like an ps3/Xbox 360 graphically.

 

[lughnasadh123]

No price cut is what's really holding the PS5 back. I'd imagine a potential September showing with some new game announcements should push sales a bit along with GTA6. I'm not even convinced the Pro won't sell beyond expectations - People were way off with how they thought the demand was for the Portal.

75% choose those sweet 60 frames on their older games, tvs, and apparently now systems. Rest go Pro.

 

[PeteBull]

Looks like ps5 exclusive ff7rebirth didnt fit schreiers narrative so he skipped it

 

[Bitstream]

"Meanwhile, the most popular console on the market is the Nintendo Switch, which has sold 143 million units despite having graphical capabilities equivalent to a PS4."

Can't wait to play bloodborne on the switch

 

[semiconscious]

'in the future, you'll actually be able to skip every other console generation & still be able to eventually play everything...'

 

[Hustler]

All these hot takes for a half step console when the PS4 Pro only made up 15% of the total PS4 sales. We're acting like this is the PS6 announcement and is doom and gloom for next gen.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Switch has PS4 graphics?

 

[GymWolf]

Switch same graphic capability of a ps4 is an all classic certified schreier moment.

 

[cormack12]

Switch has PS4 graphics?

It's how I fell I love with rdr2

 

[Lokaum D+]

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/2024091...nYW1lLWdyYXBoaWNzLXJhY2U/c3JuZD11bmRlZmluZWQ=

The most striking thing about this week’s PlayStation 5 Pro reveal wasn’t the internal power or sticker price (although that one was pretty shocking). It was the games.

.....lead architect Mark Cerny showed footage of games including The Last of Us Part II, Ghost of Tsushima, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7. One common factor? They were all also released on PlayStation 4 — and look perfectly fine on the 2013 console.

Another common factor? They all have incredible graphics — despite most of the games being years old.

The PS5 has failed to beat the PS4’s growth and is lagging behind it on sales, at least in part because so many players are sticking with older, less graphically intensive games, such as Fortnite and Grand Theft Auto Online, that can be played on the old consoles. (An industry downturn and a lack of big-name exclusive games also don’t help.)

Meanwhile, the most popular console on the market is the Nintendo Switch, which has sold 143 million units despite having graphical capabilities equivalent to a PS4.

Its successor, expected to be released next year, will likely also be underpowered compared to its competitors — and will also likely outsell them all.

The PS5 Pro doesn’t feel like the console of the future — it feels like the vestige of a rapidly disappearing past.

 

[Bitstream]

Really though, Sony pissed away years and millions chasing GAAS ghosts, and MS done nothing to give them any competition. If folks weren't hungry for the microtransaction live service money, we'd have quite a bit more next-gen games by now.

 

[Trilobit]

We should strive for 60 or 120fps 4K on consoles and then chill with the graphics race for some time. That would put us nicely in the same FPS ballpark as the PS2 gen with the added benefit of 4K.

 

[Robb]

Nintendo Switch, which has sold 143 million units despite having graphical capabilities equivalent to a PS4.

PS5 is behind PS4 in sales?

As of their Q1 FY24 release the Ps5 is at 61.7M after 15 quarters compared to 63.5 million for the PS4. So it’s close, but trailing behind at 1.8M.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Can’t disagree, late PS4 games still look fantastic and most people are happy with them

 

[Mibu no ookami]

The premise of this continues to confirm what I said about the campaign against the PS5 Pro.

The Switch has been successful, it is not equivalent to the PS4, and it's success isn't simply a matter of graphical fidelity, nor will its ability to replicate its success.

Nintendo sold two products in one. Why not compare the Switch to the DS? Which it hasn't outsold. This is nonsense, just as it is nonsense to think that everyone should have jumped from PS4 to PS5 at this point. By this time next year, the PS5 will have become 6th best selling home console of all time... and once GTA6 has had its fun, it'll be the 5th best selling home console of all time if not the 4th... All while being more expensive than the PS4.

Gran Turismo 7 on PS4 is 1080p60 and Gran Turismo 7 on PS5 Pro which already had a 120fps mode is 4K60 with ray tracing and apparently an 8k mode... These are not the same, nor do they play the same.

These are actual hit pieces...

Noun​

[edit]
hit piece (plural hit pieces)

1. (journalism) A published article or post aiming to sway public opinion, especially by presenting false or biased information in a way that appears objective and truthful.

 

[Eszti]

we dont need a new thread every for every news article god damn it

 

[bundylove]

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/2024091...nYW1lLWdyYXBoaWNzLXJhY2U/c3JuZD11bmRlZmluZWQ=

The most striking thing about this week’s PlayStation 5 Pro reveal wasn’t the internal power or sticker price (although that one was pretty shocking). It was the games.

.....lead architect Mark Cerny showed footage of games including The Last of Us Part II, Ghost of Tsushima, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7. One common factor? They were all also released on PlayStation 4 — and look perfectly fine on the 2013 console.

Another common factor? They all have incredible graphics — despite most of the games being years old.

The PS5 has failed to beat the PS4’s growth and is lagging behind it on sales, at least in part because so many players are sticking with older, less graphically intensive games, such as Fortnite and Grand Theft Auto Online, that can be played on the old consoles. (An industry downturn and a lack of big-name exclusive games also don’t help.)

Meanwhile, the most popular console on the market is the Nintendo Switch, which has sold 143 million units despite having graphical capabilities equivalent to a PS4.

Its successor, expected to be released next year, will likely also be underpowered compared to its competitors — and will also likely outsell them all.

The PS5 Pro doesn’t feel like the console of the future — it feels like the vestige of a rapidly disappearing past.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

As of their Q1 FY24 release the Ps5 is at 61.7M after 15 quarters compared to 63.5 million for the PS4. So it’s close, but trailing behind at 1.8M.

It's ahead in the US and Japan and behind in Europe. Wonder if there is anything going on in Europe the last few years... Nah... nevermind.

 

[Mr Moose]

Thought they showed Spider-Man 2.

 

[adamsapple]

 

[Mibu no ookami]

We should strive for 60 or 120fps 4K on consoles and then chill with the graphics race for some time. That would put us nicely in the same FPS ballpark as the PS2 gen with the added benefit of 4K.

What PS2 games ran at 120 fps?

 

[Robb]

It's ahead in the US and Japan and behind in Europe. Wonder if there is anything going on in Europe the last few years... Nah... nevermind.

Sure, I just assumed we were talking WW.

 

[Gaiff]

"Meanwhile, the most popular console on the market is the Nintendo Switch, which has sold 143 million units despite having graphical capabilities equivalent to a PS4."

Y’all motherfuckers got your hand on a Switch 2 while I’m still rocking the old one? 143 million? How did I miss this?

 

[Sooner]

It's true, which is why pc gaming is so great. You have a 60+ fps experiences at multiple different price ranges.

Yeah, with PC you can spend ten times as much and see even less difference because of diminishing returns. Super.

 

[Interfectum]

Now PC gaming fanatics will start masturbating over Jason Schreier books?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Thought they showed Spider-Man 2.

They did but it doesn't fit the narrative he's trying to create.... A narrative that is clear as day.

 

[bundylove]

we dont need a new thread every for every news article god damn it

Keep em coming.

 

[Anthony Soprano]

The most striking thing about this week’s PlayStation 5 Pro reveal wasn’t the internal power or sticker price (although that one was pretty shocking). It was the games.

I hope next month when Switch 2 is rumored to be announced, presumably with a ton of last-gen remasters, that Schreier will put an article out with the same criticisms towards Nintendo.

He probably won't, though.

 

[Eszti]

Keep em coming.

Ok master.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Click bait and hyperbolic article to join the negativity wave. I'd partially understand Schreier if the console was already out and performing like crap. The thing isn't even out yet.

 

[nnytk]

Sony and Xbox need to shift the focus towards joy and fun again. Nintendo Switch has been a huge success because their games bring us joy. To me, Mario Odyssey and Zelda Totk felt similar to playing Diablo 2 or Team Fortress 2, back in the day. Games that are an absolute joy. Instant immersion. Polished as fuck. Peak gaming.

Look at the upcoming Zelda game. It's weird, creative and experimental. Yeah, performance and IQ look pretty fucking bad. But I'm kind of tempted to play it because it looks so fresh and polished.

I don't want Sony to copy Nintendo. But there is an obvious void, I believe we all want more joy and fun from games. Astrobot is showing the way. Sony should do more stuff like that.

Edit: In the meantime, I'm happy to support Sony and I can't wait to play Dragon's Dogma 2 on a Pro.

 

[mayham2199]

People are seriously treating this thing like you wont be able to play ps5 games anymore unless you go out there and buy the Pro. Even Alex on DF had to tell the team, "Well they can just buy the regular PS5". This whole conversation is being talked about like it's the PS5 pro or nothing. The regular PS5 still works great, I love it. I'm also willing to sell it and buy the upgrade but I'd be fine without it.

 

[JimboJones]

The premise of this continues to confirm what I said about the campaign against the PS5 Pro.

The Switch has been successful, it is not equivalent to the PS4, and it's success isn't simply a matter of graphical fidelity, nor will its ability to replicate its success.

Nintendo sold two products in one. Why not compare the Switch to the DS? Which it hasn't outsold. This is nonsense, just as it is nonsense to think that everyone should have jumped from PS4 to PS5 at this point. By this time next year, the PS5 will have become 6th best selling home console of all time... and once GTA6 has had its fun, it'll be the 5th best selling home console of all time if not the 4th... All while being more expensive than the PS4.

Gran Turismo 7 on PS4 is 1080p60 and Gran Turismo 7 on PS5 Pro which already had a 120fps mode is 4K60 with ray tracing and apparently an 8k mode... These are not the same, nor do they play the same.

These are actual hit pieces...

Noun​

[edit]
hit piece (plural hit pieces)

1. (journalism) A published article or post aiming to sway public opinion, especially by presenting false or biased information in a way that appears objective and truthful.

They did but it doesn't fit the narrative he's trying to create.... A narrative that is clear as day.

The only narrative that's trying to be created here is posts like this. C'mon my guy, go touch grass, it's just an opinion piece, potentially a shitty one depending who you ask .

 

[Fbh]

I said it in another thread but IMO last gen we reached the "good enough" point with graphics.
They can obviously still get better but I don't feel like they enhance the game in a meaningful way anymore.
Case in point some of the best games this year (at least IMO...and in reviews ) aren't particularly graphically demanding: Astrobot, Infinite Wealth, Stellar Blade, SMTV Vengeance, Unicorn Overlord, Shadow of the Eardtree, etc

Can’t disagree, late PS4 games still look fantastic and most people are happy with them

Yup. A base Ps5 can play games that look like this at good resolutions and 60fps.
It's not that newer games don't look better but the diminishing returns have gone to the point where I'd rather have devs make games that look and run well on current hardware instead of games that need to run at 720p to achieve 60fps or ask me to buy some new $800 piece of hardware for graphical upgrades which IMO aren't that meaningful anymore and aren't really enhancing my gameplay experience.

 

[mayham2199]

Sony and Xbox need to shift the focus towards joy and fun again. Nintendo Switch has been a huge success because their games bring us joy. To me, Mario Odyssey and Zelda Totk felt similar to playing Diablo 2 or Team Fortress 2, back in the day. Games that are an absolute joy. Instant immersion. Polished as fuck. Peak gaming.

Look at the upcoming Zelda game. It's weird, creative and experimental. Yeah, performance and IQ look pretty fucking bad. But I'm kind of tempted to play it because it looks so fresh and polished.

I don't want Sony to copy Nintendo. But there is an obvious void, I believe we all want more joy and fun from games. Astrobot is showing the way. Sony should do more stuff like that.

Edit: In the meantime, I'm happy to support Sony and I can't wait to play Dragon's Dogma 2 on a Pro.

To each their own. You say you want all that stuff but I had a switch and personally had to sell it because I realized I'm just not into Nintendo games. I thought they were ok at best. Except for XBC2 which I thought was fantastic.

Let Nintendo continue to do Nintendo things. Let Sony/MS continue to do what they are doing. They don't all need to be doing the same thing or making the same kind of games.

 

[bundylove]

Ok master.

Play your cards right and you can hop in with us one day

 

[Trilobit]

What PS2 games ran at 120 fps?

I was mostly thinking about 60fps games of the PS2 gen, but that gen also had CRTs which was great tech with its low latency, high refresh rates and reduced input lag.