Singular7
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This is the shit he was dealing with launching the first game. He rules.
Ok fine, I'll buy two copies.
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Ok fine, I'll buy two copies.
Damageinc103
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Im at the very end….waiting until a few weeks before 2 to finish.
Braag
Member
To be fair, we have almost on a weekly basis some new dev of a failing game coming out of the woodwork to call gamers trash, incels or some other derogatory term. Class has been long gone from this industry.
Shake Your Rump
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Can someone please tweet this guy to ask if we can get a 60fps patch for the first game for current-gen consoles?
DownLikeBCPowder
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Wow.
Wolves hunt in packs
Member
Doubt he will answer.
Probably knows some people want it tho, this can really bring new life to older games, i played Vampyr and A Plague Tale Innocence when they got a 60fps patch and it was awesome.
lmimmfn
Member
I bought KCD a few years on Epic store(didnt cost me anything), but this guy is so based i bought it last night on Steam for a few quid, can play it on my steamdeck now and the developer gets a few bob.
If KCD2 is good, will but it on release just to show my support.
If KCD2 is good, will but it on release just to show my support.
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Denton
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Not up to him, last time I saw Warhorse reply to this question the answer was "currently we are busy with KCD2 and it would be up to Plaion (publisher) to greenlight"
CliffBronger
Member
I have had KCD in my backlog for a while, i got it free on Epic i might give it a play thru early in the new year as the second one does look great.
Bernardougf
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Yeah stupid me.. just now realized my mistake ... my bad
Principal
Member
Problem is that he is wrong, there have been plenty of black people in Europe during the 1500's, now, if he doesn't want them in his game then fine, but to pretend that there were none is just idiotic man... Vikings used to trade with muslims and vice versa. The world was bigger than history books claimed, it was only after the slave trade happened that Black people were seen as lesser. As long as you prayed the same they didn't give a damn about skin color. Shame that the man yaps but knows little of history. And before you ask, I am a black dude that lives in Sweden, so I am IN Europe and been here for over 30 years.
Senua
Gold Member
Not this shit again man. There were next to no Africans in 15th century Bohemia, whether you want there to have been or not
MiguelItUp
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KCD being on sale definitely helps, I mean, why would there be a random spike? But he's trying to make the most of the situation, so I get it.
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Principal
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Want me to provide links since google is a hard thing?
Again, I am not saying it was sprawling with black people but don't be ignorant and believe there were none...
Denton
Member
I have never met a black guy/woman in my Czech city of 50K inhabitants in 37 years that I am alive, and that's in time of globalization, mass migration and airplanes. Czechland is not Sweden, and Sweden used to be near 100% white even 50 years ago.
There might be some black people in my city, but running into them is rare even today, let alone 600 years ago. When he made those posts, he was talking about the location where the game takes place, which is 9km2 area of rural Bohemia and there is zero evidence there were any blacks there.
KCD2 takes place in more metropolitan location, so I would not be surprised if we did see e.g. gypsies in KCD2 because they actually started first arriving in Bohemia in early 15th century.
Principal
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Which is why I kept saying, now if he doesn't want to have them in because they were so few, sure, but let's not pretend that there was 0 out of 0 because that doesn't make sense with global trade. Think of it this way, if Marco Polo was in China then there stands to reason that there would be some Chinese people in Europe no?
Denton
Member
He never said there were none in Europe.
Principal
Member
I can't seem to paste or download the image, but scroll up to his long ass twitter rant lol.
Edit: Finally got it to work, as you can see, what he is saying is not true. Again, if he said there were so few of them that it wouldn't make sense to add them, or whatever, fine. But to claim that there were none is crazy.
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Denton
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Ok I didn't notice the reply to Gies. Yeah he is wrong there. I wonder if he misunderstood the question because claiming even western europe had none is obviously dumb.
Principal
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I wonder too, but yeah, I don't agree with the people calling him a racist cause that's dumb.
VanCityGamer
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I can't seem to paste or download the image, but scroll up to his long ass twitter rant lol.
Edit: Finally got it to work, as you can see, what he is saying is not true. Again, if he said there were so few of them that it wouldn't make sense to add them, or whatever, fine. But to claim that there were none is crazy.
Am I missing something - was Bohemia all of Europe?
Senua
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I said next to none. And the chances of you bumping into one were close to nil
Principal
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Unfortunately there were, but very few.
Unknown Soldier
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PectacularOz
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All lf this 0 vs non-0 is completely forgetting that if he DID have black peasants in 15th Century Bohemia - they would have been treated like literal shit, and that wouldve been a whole-nother can of worms.
Principal
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Not around that time no, people weren't racist back then, they were mostly loyal to their religion.
Umbral
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They tried to ruin this man and his studio, if I recall correctly. They would have celebrated his studio’s closure and poverty stricken death with glee. These people do not deserve any space at all. They are anti-social. Over the cliff with them.
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Senua
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Ass of Can Whooping
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bruh
InterMusketeer
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Trade went through intermediaries due to geographical distance, but also cultural and religious divides. It's not like merchants would constantly travel thousands of miles to sell their wares. Marco Polo's journey was special exactly for that reason.
So no, reason has nothing to do with it but facts and historical records and other evidence. As far as we know there were no Chinese people in Europe and it's incredibly unlikely that there were any black people in early 1400s Bohemia as well.
StreetsofBeige
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Even if in ancient times (or modern times) there are places with zero or almost zero ethnic background people except for locals, I find it odd media always tries to stretch the truth as if it's a norm by injecting the United Nations of people into it. But let's face it, it's for PR, politics, brownie points, idiocy and trying to expand sales.
It would be like making a movie or game based in Jamaica and making the game full of Japanese people or a game based in Vietnam and there's tons of Swedish people roaming around.
I get it that fiction can be anything. Heck might as well make all the characters also shoot fireballs like Street Fighter too. But you can always tell when a game is illogically set in their world vs real life probability and believability. And when you got media that is supposed to be more grounded (ie. no staves of fireballs or lightning bolts), you'd think people would say.... Ya, that makes sense.... but then you got the weird people calling out demographics trying to 5x or 10x the ratio vs real life.
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StreetsofBeige
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Every year, my buddies and I got to Buffalo NY to watch a hockey game. Sometimes twice or even three times. We come from Toronto GTA which is total multicultural, although to be fair not a lot of Latinos. But tons of Asians, Indians, Middle Eastern and some Black too.
We remark how hilarious it is to go over the border, watch the game, hit some downtown pubs and it's basically all white and black people. There's hardly any other ethnic backgrounds, and Buffalo isnt even that far of a drive.
StreetsofBeige
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It doesn't matter if there were none or almost none. If KCD games have all white people in the game it's a lot more realistic than trying for the United Nations carousel of ethnic background characters.
Just about every town out there seems to have a Chinese or Japanese restaurant. If it's a town of 100,000 people and the town only has 100 Asian people living there, it would be pretty weird to make a game involving that town be all about Asian people while ignoring all the locals which are 90%+ locals. Most cities in the world follow the same pattern. Big cities will have more multicultural people, more modern times are moreso too. But the farther back you go in time combined with the farther away you get from big metro areas, the less people variety you get. Some places in the world in this situation are probably 95% locals whatever they look like and what language they speak.
The most multicultural city in the world is Toronto, yet it's still roughly 50% white people. So it goes to show even places with tons of ethnic backgrounds, the most local background is still about 50% (European).
Even in modern day, some places are incredibly homogenous. For example, Tokyo is literally like 98% Japanese people (google check), and overall Japan is similar.
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Crystal Winters
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EDMIX
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Well...a quick google search and GPT search states otherwise. I'm not even shocked by this btw as, we are fucking talking about a nation of literally billions of people at a time where they were trading all over the world, to say zero or "no Africans"
sir, that I would never bet on, it makes no sense and you'd have to basically prove not even 1 fucking person, but that can't be as they've been depicted in art in this country during this time, as in...they literally have interactions with them as 15th Century is just too packed with global trading to be saying this type of wild shit lol
I tend not to agree with absolute shit, it simply sounds to wild and sensational and you need a some fucking evidence to really convince me if you are going to say 'no Africans"
I don't disagree, but I don't think anyone is actually asking for it to be just full of Africans or something, merely that if trading existed, slavery as well as the missionary work that existed during the 15th Century, it would make complete sense that they are in the game in that context
ok, I don't think you fucking met ever last person in existence that ever entered that country either lol
So....took me fucking 3 seconds to google it to see
Afro-Czech Perspectives on Black Life in the Czech Republic
Today, while they remain a minority, Afro-Czechs contribute significantly to Czech society in various fields, including arts and media.
Maybe you don't know your own country that well lol
So...I don't go on this whole "I have never" I don't care, this isn't about who you PERSONALLY have met or seen, this is about during that 15th Century, did anyone from Africa go thru there for trading, missionary work etc, I don't see any evidence that suggest ZERO, like it NEVER happened as that if anything is even more wild and far fetched as they existed in Europe during this time
Sir, this is a bit too much of an exaggeration for me to really just believe as it makes no fucking sense.
https://www.thehumanityarchive.com/articles/black-people-medieval-europe
https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199730414/obo-9780199730414-0326.xml
I'm not going to sit here and say Oxford and Cambridge and all those sources must be wrong, but shit, a person on NeoGaf PERSONALLY never saw one during his life, thus probably had zero interaction during the 15th Century.
You can't even track that they exist in your country today, why would I believe your take on some shit from the 15th Century of like billions of people? lol
Too much evidence exist of this and I don't see how this could be debated. I don't think anything is wrong with the team not having them in their game, but with the trade routes, slave trade and religious missionary work during that time, if they are seeking some realistic thing, them being in the game in that context would make complete sense during that time. I could never say no, never, none, zero or any crazy shit like that.
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StreetsofBeige
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It'd be a slippery slope if the game added small numbers of black people (or any other ethnic background) if historically accurate those people might had been skewed to just being traders or slaves.
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EDMIX
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I agree, but if the context fits, for the art, I'd do it.
I care not of how anyone would react to this, I care more that the player feels like this is a real place in history based on the things they see.
Sorta like in RDR2 having black people or the KKK , during that exact time in America, that made sense or even in Mafia 3, those um...."citizens' calling the police on you when you drove to certain areas lol
If it fits the context historically, I'm ok with it more times then not and love when its done to add that extra element to the game.
I'm not saying KCD should be chock full of them in all regards or something, merely in the exact context that they existed in Europe in
DaciaJC
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DeathGuise
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I laughed at this, which means I'm a racist. Time to pull a barve.
But pulling a barve is in and of itself an admission of wrongdoing so I need to pull another one afterwards
But pulling a barve is in and of itself an admission of wrongdoing so I need to pull another one afterwards
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
lol I'd release a PR statement afterwards like "I've started the process of going to rehab to get this in check, this is totally out of my character" lol
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
More like pulling a barf.
It was one of those things I remember seeing early and thought it was a joke or someone did a fake AI clip making fun of the game.
Turns out it was true. Lol
NonPhixion
Member
Does this chatter think there was billions of people on earth during the 15th century? Am I reading that right?
Singular7
Member
Currently barving, wondering if I need more barves for reading your post without adding barves implicitly
Shake Your Rump
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I moved to Toronto from the USA and you are spot on. We had whites and blacks, with Koreans you could count on one hand. In the GTA, I am a minority as a white native-English speaker.
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EDMIX
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My god, I like how you were the only one that feel for that troll lol
That was a low effort one too..
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You totally are pending which part of the city youre in.
Toronto GTA is roughly 50/50 white/mix. Youll find more white people in certain parts of the GTA or by the lake moreso. But some parts are majority minority. Basically, anything south of QEW/Gardiner hitting the lake is mostly white people. Not due to anything discriminatory. It's just legacy as most of the lakefront neighbourhoods have been bought up by white people the past 80 years since theyve been here the longest. And many of them will hold onto it as legacy family properties worth buckets of money. Minorities often will move into town to the neighbourhoods that have their background the most and more affordable, so you know the drill... Brampton=Indian, Markham/Scarborough=Asian, Middle eastern people=mid town, Jewish=Bathurst etc....
I dont know how long youve been in the area, but even though the GTA isnt perfect by no means, isnt it incredible how a city and metro area can be so mixed, yet you dont get the crime and racial rants like a US city? it goes to show people dont really care about what you look like. They care more about if youre a good person who cares about work, kids going to school, and not doing anything stupid like you see on US news channels. People can get along fine even if people are different and arent even all fluent in english.
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